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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
| To be honest I don't make eye contact with foreigners. I've got no respect for waygooks because they always seem to be complaining on forums about not being looked at properly instead of planning their classes. My tax dollars help pay for EPIK, so plan your classes and spend less time on how sad you are because Mrs Kim didn't blow you kisses in the corridor. |
So you don't think that it's important for everyone in a Korean workplace to follow Korean rules of professionalism and good manners? Where do you work, anyway? |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Yes I love a good moan.
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
| To be honest I don't make eye contact with foreigners. I've got no respect for waygooks because they always seem to be complaining on forums about not being looked at properly instead of planning their classes. My tax dollars help pay for EPIK, so plan your classes and spend less time on how sad you are because Mrs Kim didn't blow you kisses in the corridor. |
Well I see two options here
1. Start taking notes of the problems NET's are experiencing and encourage the schools to deal with them. I mean really deal with them, not simply explain them away. If it is successful the word will spread slowly and people will become more eager to come to Korea. Eventually, the government could lower the pay and benefits and save you - the taxpayer, your hard earned money. It might even end up like another Japan where people are willing to live off ramen and stay in on weekends just to get a foot in the door.
2. Keep the status quo, tell NET's if they don't like it they can leave. Show Korean students it's ok to disrespect the NET and IGNORE the NET, let them follow your example and make all that taxpayer money go to waste. Continue the process of having to offer one of the best packages in Asia with the lowest standards for employment, all paid for with your hard earned taxpayer dollars. Continue complaining about having to pay so much. Continue ignoring the reasons you have to pay so much.
I see more people working toward option number 1 than number 2 in Korea. In fact, I think Korea has recently been upping it's requirements for NET's because the improved working conditions and living environment are drawing more applicants (along with a recession). You seem to be pretty fond of option 2 though, why is that? Is it because option number 1 would leave you nothing to complain about on internet forums? |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
Yes I love a good moan.
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
| To be honest I don't make eye contact with foreigners. I've got no respect for waygooks because they always seem to be complaining on forums about not being looked at properly instead of planning their classes. My tax dollars help pay for EPIK, so plan your classes and spend less time on how sad you are because Mrs Kim didn't blow you kisses in the corridor. |
Well I see two options here
1. Start taking notes of the problems NET's are experiencing and encourage the schools to deal with them. I mean really deal with them, not simply explain them away. If it is successful the word will spread slowly and people will become more eager to come to Korea. Eventually, the government could lower the pay and benefits and save you - the taxpayer, your hard earned money. It might even end up like another Japan where people are willing to live off ramen and stay in on weekends just to get a foot in the door.
2. Keep the status quo, tell NET's if they don't like it they can leave. Show Korean students it's ok to disrespect the NET and IGNORE the NET, let them follow your example and make all that taxpayer money go to waste. Continue the process of having to offer one of the best packages in Asia with the lowest standards for employment, all paid for with your hard earned taxpayer dollars. Continue complaining about having to pay so much. Continue ignoring the reasons you have to pay so much.
I see more people working toward option number 1 than number 2 in Korea. In fact, I think Korea has recently been upping it's requirements for NET's because the improved working conditions and living environment are drawing more applicants (along with a recession). You seem to be pretty fond of option 2 though, why is that? Is it because option number 1 would leave you nothing to complain about on internet forums? |
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Well you are in the right country and on the right forum. Congrats. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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No one here does this, not even remotely. You seem to think they do or perhaps you want to think they do because it feeds into your little Daves narrative of apologists.
The reality is not like this but trying to explain it has become useless I fear. the position you described is retarded (much like its opposite of Korea is hell in every way is retarded and not actually real on here).
You want to discuss something (about Korea or anywhere else for that matter) with me then drop the sweeping statements, the absolutes and the anecdotal blown up into artificial generalist conclusions. You are (from what I can read here) intelligent and able to discuss something so do it.
Or stick to using categories if that is your wish. The amusing thing is that by your standard you would probably find me to be a Canada apologist too as I react the same way to sweeping comments made about any group or place.
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Sorry, but I will continue to generalize about Korea based off my experience. I have spent enough time here to freely give my opinion of what it is like being an NET here. I'm not going to stick my nose in a textbook and live in complete denial about the things that have happened to me. People ask me about Korea. They ask me what it is like here. I tell them about my experiences. Some of those experiences include being completely ignored by a coworker and some of those experiences include having older teachers go to bizarre lengths to separate me from younger female teachers. I owe it to anyone that is thinking of coming over here to teach to present the reality of the situations that I have encountered. I'm sorry, but in my opinion your posts are far too optimistic and would only suit an NET that plans on coming here and sticking their head in the sand.
My opinion is not "retarded", it is actually well informed. It is based off my personal experience in Korea. I was kind of with you, until you had to say that they never seperate female teachers from the NET. I wish I could say that is the most ridiculous argument I have seen on Dave's, but unfortunately it's not even close.
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no worries....you have your views and I have mine.
oh and you never were "with me"...lol...at least be honest about that. |
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