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Swampfox10mm
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| UHHHH....US schools hire people with distance degrees all of the time. I would expect Taiwan to follow the rest of the world and accept online degrees before Korea would stop accepting them. |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| They are just trying to weed out some of the TESOL degree mills that have popped up over the years. Many of those MAs are a joke. I know of one woman who worked full time at a hogwon and finished her TESOL MA in 10 months. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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There is a difference between DISTANCE and ONLINE when it comes to university degress. BIG one.
I took 100% online courses on campus during my undergrad. I also studied "alongside" a German student who too papers in my Masters degree while in Germany. She participated in our online discussions and visited the university once during the year. She had studied on campus during the first year and went back to Germany during the final year. She was considered to be a normal student just overcoming her challenges by DISTANCE (for example our prof videoed our classes just for her and we were to discuss things online during the course of the following week for her benefit since she could not be there in person). She had read the readings before the lecture and often gave him some pre discussion questions like we might in real time. What is the problem with that? She did the same work as us.
There IS a proliferation of online universities and degrees out there but you have to remember that alot of PhD research is conducted out in the field and potentially so can Masters research depending on the topic. It is not the same as undergraduate study.
Universities have long provided flexible learning options for students who for personal or family reasons needed to be in a different place but who most certainly could complete the work. In a postgraduate setting this is much more maneagable than undergrad where there are so many classes to go to.
It might be very hard for South Korea or Taiwan to qualify or not EVERY online university so a blanket ban is highly likely until they can prove their worth. Distance degrees from most good brick and mortar
universities can offer enough flexibility.
In the end, if the uni offers only online...it might be banned. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatever. A distance learning degree earned from a top-tier university is more academically demanding that studies conducted on-campus at a lower tier school. |
Maybe we differ on what "top tier" actually means but top tier schools don't offer 100% distance MAs. Maybe there are blended learning options (llike the poster above is saying) but completing an ENTIRE graduate degree distance without even setting foot on campus while ponying up large sums of cash with extremely lax admissions requirements just reeks of diploma mill IMO. I don't care if the distance program/online program whatever is offered from a "brick and mortar" uni. Many of the programs are complete cash grabs and certain countries like Taiwan, Qatar and the UAE know this. Like I said before, I was grilled on whether my program was residential or distance for all my interviews in the ME and my uni is reputable but that apparently didn't matter to the hiring committees. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Either get qualified or rule out teaching at a uni. |
So what if someone has a related M.A. but doesn't have two years of uni teaching experience yet? S.O.L.? You think that's fair? You think the person who lucked out by being in Korea when university jobs were much easier to get into and has been working at one for the past four years with an unrelated B.A. is more worthy of the job? How can the person with the related M.A. "get qualified"? By getting a Ph.D.? Is that what it's come to now? |
What has it got to do with fair?
Go and get the experience then! Go to Saudi - related MA will get you a job earning 57000 tax free - don't want to go to Saudi? Go and cry a river somewhere else diddums or suck it up and get it done buttercup!
Or do you think MA plus experience is an unreasonable request?
The only reason BA holders are in the running anyway is because Korean universities have been too damn cheap in the past to hire qualified people - good to see the government making the universities hold up to a minimum standard.
You don't see BA holders teaching anything at any university back home. |
^^+10 points to Gryffindor. We're not discussing fairness. We're discussing what is. When since has Korea been 'fair'? Some jobs only women, practically all jobs if you're non white you're ass out. I don't see too many Blacks on here complaining about it, why? They understand it is what it is. Same with other minorities. If you have an opportunity to change things, change it for the better, write letters, get a petition, i'll sign it, a march....well, I may not march 
Some folks need to just stop complaining and deal with the realities of life and the situation at hand.
Just because YOU don't think its smart or fair of the schools changes nada. I'm a pragmatist and a realist. I get in where I fit in. It may not be in Korea, where ever I can get the best possible situation while looking to improve myself, I do that. I suggest others do the same. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Whatever. A distance learning degree earned from a top-tier university is more academically demanding that studies conducted on-campus at a lower tier school. |
Maybe we differ on what "top tier" actually means but top tier schools don't offer 100% distance MAs. Maybe there are blended learning options (llike the poster above is saying) but completing an ENTIRE graduate degree distance without even setting foot on campus while ponying up large sums of cash with extremely lax admissions requirements just reeks of diploma mill IMO. I don't care if the distance program/online program whatever is offered from a "brick and mortar" uni. Many of the programs are complete cash grabs and certain countries like Taiwan, Qatar and the UAE know this. Like I said before, I was grilled on whether my program was residential or distance for all my interviews in the ME and my uni is reputable but that apparently didn't matter to the hiring committees. |
Amongst the top 200 universities in the world there are quite a few who offer distance education programs. |
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liveinkorea316
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| Amongst the top 200 universities in the world there are quite a few who offer distance education programs. |
Yss but it doesn't really matter in practice because all Korean employers would do is work off a list or google your univerity or straight out ask you (did you do your degree online or by distance?)- which they have done to me. Big name uni is still big name uni whether it is online or not.
The main thing about these online universities is that they are so new and so they are still looked down on (rightly or wrongly) although I have seen some new ones that have opened with some big name professors in the USA. Also what about the University of Phoenix online Uni. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
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| Amongst the top 200 universities in the world there are quite a few who offer distance education programs. |
Yss but it doesn't really matter in practice because all Korean employers would do is work off a list or google your univerity or straight out ask you (did you do your degree online or by distance?)- which they have done to me. Big name uni is still big name uni whether it is online or not.
The main thing about these online universities is that they are so new and so they are still looked down on (rightly or wrongly) although I have seen some new ones that have opened with some big name professors in the USA. Also what about the University of Phoenix online Uni. |
University of Pheonix? Bad example.
"This is a corporation...coming here is not a rite of passage. We are not trying to develop value systems or go in for that 'expand their minds' bullshit."
John Sperling, founder of the UoP. |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:02 am Post subject: |
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You don't see BA holders teaching anything at any university back home. |
What piffle. I don't know what faculty you studied in but I'm yet to meet a first year statistics tutor with anything higher although many are postgrad students.
As for the OP this seems to be like everything in Korea.
It depends which MOE you're covered by and who you talk to. |
I'll tell you what is piffle, that BA holders (who are postgrad students) are teaching university freshmen classes - that might happen at the university you went to but not mine mate. nor I suspect, the majority of universities on this planet.
If it was the case, you would have half of the teachers in Korea flying back home.
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| robbie_davies wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| Either get qualified or rule out teaching at a uni. |
So what if someone has a related M.A. but doesn't have two years of uni teaching experience yet? S.O.L.? You think that's fair? You think the person who lucked out by being in Korea when university jobs were much easier to get into and has been working at one for the past four years with an unrelated B.A. is more worthy of the job? How can the person with the related M.A. "get qualified"? By getting a Ph.D.? Is that what it's come to now? |
What has it got to do with fair?
Go and get the experience then! Go to Saudi - related MA will get you a job earning 57000 tax free - don't want to go to Saudi? Go and cry a river somewhere else diddums or suck it up and get it done buttercup!
Or do you think MA plus experience is an unreasonable request?
The only reason BA holders are in the running anyway is because Korean universities have been too damn cheap in the past to hire qualified people - good to see the government making the universities hold up to a minimum standard.
You don't see BA holders teaching anything at any university back home. |
^^+10 points to Gryffindor. We're not discussing fairness. We're discussing what is. When since has Korea been 'fair'? Some jobs only women, practically all jobs if you're non white you're ass out. I don't see too many Blacks on here complaining about it, why? They understand it is what it is. Same with other minorities. If you have an opportunity to change things, change it for the better, write letters, get a petition, i'll sign it, a march....well, I may not march
Some folks need to just stop complaining and deal with the realities of life and the situation at hand.
Just because YOU don't think its smart or fair of the schools changes nada. I'm a pragmatist and a realist. I get in where I fit in. It may not be in Korea, where ever I can get the best possible situation while looking to improve myself, I do that. I suggest others do the same. |
Good advice right there, do what it takes to get ahead. |
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robbie_davies
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| UHHHH....US schools hire people with distance degrees all of the time. I would expect Taiwan to follow the rest of the world and accept online degrees before Korea would stop accepting them. |
At this guy defending his distance degree when only a year or two ago was bragging about how stringent the standards were for hiring at his university, even selecting candidates on good looks and that is why he got took on. Thanks for the 'LOLZ' fella! |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| robbie_davies wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| UHHHH....US schools hire people with distance degrees all of the time. I would expect Taiwan to follow the rest of the world and accept online degrees before Korea would stop accepting them. |
At this guy defending his distance degree when only a year or two ago was bragging about how stringent the standards were for hiring at his university, even selecting candidates on good looks and that is why he got took on. Thanks for the 'LOLZ' fella! |
Your quote makes no sense, and is unrelated. I have been openly critical of the hiring practices of weeding-out candidates based on photos. And my school is not terribly stringent... we just pitch resumes of people who do not provide all documents, or send us ugly photos of themselves with their cat.
You will likely need to teach a lesson in front of the staff, though, if you are a final candidate. And you don't have to be pretty.... just presentable. |
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misher
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Amongst the top 200 universities in the world there are quite a few who offer distance education programs. |
Nothing against those unis but to Koreans most of those unis they wouldn't know.
Top tier for me is more like top 20-30. Those unis get ridiculous endowments/funding and have no need to offer cash grab diploma mill style distance MA TESOLs. They also have no desire to offer 100% distance degrees online with lax admission requirements. They aren't going to let someone walk away with a Berkeley diploma when the individual never even showed his/her face on campus and didn't have their work evaluated by a tenure holding faculty advisor and professor. One of the reasons Birmingham turned me off was because I had no access to the top profs...just some kind of former Bham distance grad as a "mentor."
MA TESOLS are really a cash cow for all these unis. Faculty heads don't have to deal with MA students in their office. Administration is simple. No classes required, just post on a message board and mail in your essays for them to be graded by untenured staff and we'll give you the degree. The uni makes money hand over fist.
I'm not knocking people who did part-time distance. They did it most likely because of money or family and had no choice. |
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big_fella1
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| robbie_davies wrote: |
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You don't see BA holders teaching anything at any university back home. |
What piffle. I don't know what faculty you studied in but I'm yet to meet a first year statistics tutor with anything higher although many are postgrad students.
As for the OP this seems to be like everything in Korea.
It depends which MOE you're covered by and who you talk to. |
I'll tell you what is piffle, that BA holders (who are postgrad students) are teaching university freshmen classes - that might happen at the university you went to but not mine mate. nor I suspect, the majority of universities on this planet.
If it was the case, you would have half of the teachers in Korea flying back home. |
You're American right? I could have gone to Oxford and hadvtutors with a BA although at Oxford if you get a BA with 1st class honours, they upgrade you to an MA with no further study. 
I didn't say teaching, I said tutoring as is running the tutorials. I doubt half of the people here would have the GPA to be tutors but tutors do only hold a bachelors degree, although they are studying postgraduate.
Unless an American attended an Ivy League School or had a 4.5 GPA it would be practically impossible for them to tutor at an Australian University as Australian Universities scale non ivy league GPAs down to be the equivelent of Australian schools grades.
Memorising everything you are taught is called a Pass. Credits, Distinctions and High Distinctions require evidence of greater research.
Lecturers require PhDs, Professors require PhDs plus a lot of publications and tutors require a bachelor degree and High Distinctions(A+) in the area they are teaching. I was interested to discover recently how many of my old lecturers have also gone on to get an M.Ed. even though they already had a PhD but they are not professors. |
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robbie_davies
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You're American right? I could have gone to Oxford and hadvtutors with a BA although at Oxford if you get a BA with 1st class honours, they upgrade you to an MA with no further study.
I didn't say teaching, I said tutoring as is running the tutorials. I doubt half of the people here would have the GPA to be tutors but tutors do only hold a bachelors degree, although they are studying postgraduate.
Unless an American attended an Ivy League School or had a 4.5 GPA it would be practically impossible for them to tutor at an Australian University as Australian Universities scale non ivy league GPAs down to be the equivelent of Australian schools grades.
Memorising everything you are taught is called a Pass. Credits, Distinctions and High Distinctions require evidence of greater research.
Lecturers require PhDs, Professors require PhDs plus a lot of publications and tutors require a bachelor degree and High Distinctions(A+) in the area they are teaching. I was interested to discover recently how many of my old lecturers have also gone on to get an M.Ed. even though they already had a PhD but they are not professors. |
I am British.
No-one with a BA - even studying for an MA - ever taught or led tutorials that I was part of. I was studying Linguistics so it might be subject dependent - I don't know. I am willing to read other peoples experiences though. If anyone has any experience of this subject, then please fire away! |
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