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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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lynard skinner |
That's Lynyrd Skynyrd |
actually, its spelled leonard nimoy |
Oh my god, I laughed hard at this. |
Yeah...the Spockster would like that one too...well done.  |
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bmaw01
Joined: 13 May 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:47 am Post subject: |
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The Brits might have the rock, but the Americans have rap!
Snoop, Tupac, Biggie, Nas, Beastie Boys, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Jay Z, RUN DMC, and the list goes on.
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:48 am Post subject: Re: British rock! Why do all the greats come from England? |
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| No country has produced more rock greats than the UK. The Stones, Beatles, Zepplin, The Who, Pink Floyd, Bowie, Queen, Sabbath, Clapton, Elton John, the Kinks, the Clash, etc. Yet they all seem to come from 'England'. |
I would have added 'Maiden, 'Priest, Roxy Music, and the amazing Uriah Heep. But good list, nonetheless.
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| Yeah, I know that England has about 90% of the population, but the south of Ireland (with a mere five million people) has given up U2 and Thin Lizzy. |
Thin Lizzy is Irish, sure, but during their classic lineup, they had an American and a Scottish guy on guitars.
Germany has given us some great guitarists - Uli Jon Roth and Michael Schenker. |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Interesting point. I think a lot of it can be put down to population size. England has a population of 53,000,000 people whereas Wales has a population of 3,000,000 and Scotland has a population of 5,000,000. Also consider the fact that London is the heart of the UK music industry. This idea of London bias gains traction when you consider that the majority of the bands mentioned in this thread as English are from London (the Who, Led Zep, Rolling Stones, Kinks, the Clash, Sex Pistols, Pink Floyd, Bowie, Iron Maiden, Queen, Uriah Heap). Who wants to travel all the way to Glasgow to hear a band when there are bands on your doorstep?
But to insinuate that Scotland and Wales haven't produced some incredible bands is incorrect. Perhaps the bands' success was more limited than their English counterparts, but the music was as good as any produced anywhere in the UK. Other people have spoken up for Wales so I'll focus on Scotland.
Mogwai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onQVSiDe57o
Teenage Fanclub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK_CuMJJLwg
Primal Scream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ZCZjhjguA
Idlewild
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joB0tlOjKcU
Rihanna ft Calvin Harris (Scottish writer and producer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg00YEETFzg
Mylo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMg_yt73YBc
Frightened Rabbit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJNFGc2Xxc
And a band that recently released a double album that went to number 1 in the UK:
Biffy Clyro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfzwM4pdyxU
If you don't know any of these bands then hopefully you'll find something you like.
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| Culturally speaking, England has, pound for pound, produced more greats and had a greater influence than any country in say the last 500 years or so. Obviously I'm talking about more than just rock musicians (although I'm including that as well), but when you consider it's the home of Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, etc., well...there aren't many other nations that could line up with those three, and they're just the tip of the iceberg. I think even if you apply demerits for biases due to empire, the dominance of the English language, etc etc, England still stands alone. Must be something in the weather there. I'm American, btw. |
I wouldn't agree with that. As I mentioned with a population less than 10% of England I would say the Scots have more than held their own.
Here's a link that not only shows how many things the Scots have invented but also shows the condescending attitude of many English people towards Scotland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-aaUFbi6u4
Here's another interesting factoid for our American cousins:
The US Navy was founded by John Paul Jones, from Kirkcudbright, Scotland.You'll also find that most of the names on the US Declaration of Independence are Scots, and is itself modelled on the Declaration of Arbroath. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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comparing the uk to the usa 500 years ago is similar to comparing the usa to north korea today. I think the ancestors of European, USA citizens were a bit more concerned with surviving and trying to lay down the foundations of a society, than dressing up as women and writing poems.
Look what happened when people tried to popularise theatre, they killed lincoln! |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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anyway, back to the thread...
a mate of mine once said that he believed the reason english music is so crap these days, is that "people dont really have anything to complain about".
I laughed at him at the time, but in retrospect, i think he was onto something. Back then, life was getting shit, racial discrimination was becoming more commonplace, britain still hadnt recovered from ww2 and people had a lot identity issues (class, gender, race)etc. and alot of people just didnt know who they were and what they were supposed to do.
People expressed themselves through music (fashion, identity ie mods vs rockers/punks...). It was also a way to let your hair down on the weekend (become a raver) and offered some escapism from a dead end life. In a way, the social issues of the time forced music to develop. |
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Seoulman69
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a mate of mine once said that he believed the reason english music is so crap these days, is that "people dont really have anything to complain about".
I laughed at him at the time, but in retrospect, i think he was onto something. Back then, life was getting shit, racial discrimination was becoming more commonplace, britain still hadnt recovered from ww2 and people had a lot identity issues (class, gender, race)etc. and alot of people just didnt know who they were and what they were supposed to do.
People expressed themselves through music (fashion, identity ie mods vs rockers/punks...). It was also a way to let your hair down on the weekend (become a raver) and offered some escapism from a dead end life. In a way, the social issues of the time forced music to develop. |
I think that's a load of bunkum. John Lennon, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton and loads more went to art school. Not's exactly the hardest of times for those fellas. The Rolling Stones were all pretty middle class. Pink Floyd were all posh boys. The Sex Pistols were put together by a posh boy too. The 60s and 70s were a walk in the park compared to the 80s. And the majority of music from the 80s was shite. The 90s were pretty good and the UK music scene boomed.
Having something to complain about doesn't make music any better.
If you'd said that suffering some kind of adversity/trauma has a correlation with musical genius then I'd agree. Lennon and McCartney both lost their mothers. Brian Wilson was regularly beaten to the point of losing the use of one of his ears. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| The 60s and 70s were a walk in the park compared to the 80s. And the majority of music from the 80s was shite. |
Yes, if you're into rock music, the 80s was more single oriented and a bit of a barren period, though it was actually a golden period for British pop music which dominated the US charts like it's never done before or since. I tend to like my albums from the 70s but my classic pop from the 80s. And of course it was also the decade of the Smiths, though I know they're not everyone's cup of tea. And the Stone Roses and the Madchester movement at the end. |
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Seoulman69
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| Yes, if you're into rock music, the 80s was more single oriented and a bit of a barren period, though it was actually a golden period for British pop music which dominated the US charts like it's never done before or since. I tend to like my albums from the 70s but my classic pop from the 80s. And of course it was also the decade of the Smiths, though I know they're not everyone's cup of tea. And the Stone Roses and the Madchester movement at the end. |
A lot of the pop music from the 80s was written and produced by older men like Stock, Aitken, Waterman. Or the bands that wrote their own stuff usually owned a keyboard or synthesizer. Both of which were very expensive at the time. How many of these pop hits were about "having something to complain about"? These pop acts weren't struggling against adversity.
I also like the Smiths and the Stone Roses but they weren't exactly poor either. Morrisey worked for the Inland Revenue and John Squire worked as an illustrator. What were they complaining about? I reckon Morrisey's angst comes from being a homosexual who struggles to fit into society, and the Stone Roses were a very positive band who emulated bands like Love, and the Byrds.
Having something to complain about doesn't result in good music. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Having something to complain about doesn't result in good music. |
No, I'm with you on that. I'm a big early Genesis fan and they met at Charterhouse. Just disagreeing with the 80s music was mostly shite comment. I heard another theory once about the British weather being responsible for the prolificacy of bands. Continental kids tend to hang out in the park or town square while Brit teenagers had to meet inside and playing music became a more popular hobby. Don't know if there's anything in that. |
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Seoulman69
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| No, I'm with you on that. I'm a big early Genesis fan and they met at Charterhouse. Just disagreeing with the 80s music was mostly shite comment. I heard another theory once about the British weather being responsible for the prolificacy of bands. Continental kids tend to hang out in the park or town square while Brit teenagers had to meet inside and playing music became a more popular hobby. Don't know if there's anything in that. |
I'm not a big fan of the music from the 80s but I can understand why others may like it.
I agree with the theory about British weather contributing to the sheer number of bands you find in the UK. And the old adage of how boys either want to be a footballer or a rock star. When you realize you're shite at football, as my father informed me, you tend to pick up an instrument. |
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fermentation
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Well favorite band is British. Most of the rock acts I like are British as well.
| bmaw01 wrote: |
The Brits might have the rock, but the Americans have rap!
Snoop, Tupac, Biggie, Nas, Beastie Boys, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Jay Z, RUN DMC, and the list goes on.
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There's soo much more than that. Snoop and Dre don't belong in that list in my opinion. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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a mate of mine once said that he believed the reason english music is so crap these days, is that "people dont really have anything to complain about".
I laughed at him at the time, but in retrospect, i think he was onto something. Back then, life was getting shit, racial discrimination was becoming more commonplace, britain still hadnt recovered from ww2 and people had a lot identity issues (class, gender, race)etc. and alot of people just didnt know who they were and what they were supposed to do.
People expressed themselves through music (fashion, identity ie mods vs rockers/punks...). It was also a way to let your hair down on the weekend (become a raver) and offered some escapism from a dead end life. In a way, the social issues of the time forced music to develop. |
I think that's a load of bunkum. John Lennon, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton and loads more went to art school. Not's exactly the hardest of times for those fellas. The Rolling Stones were all pretty middle class. Pink Floyd were all posh boys. The Sex Pistols were put together by a posh boy too. The 60s and 70s were a walk in the park compared to the 80s. And the majority of music from the 80s was shite. The 90s were pretty good and the UK music scene boomed.
Having something to complain about doesn't make music any better.
If you'd said that suffering some kind of adversity/trauma has a correlation with musical genius then I'd agree. Lennon and McCartney both lost their mothers. Brian Wilson was regularly beaten to the point of losing the use of one of his ears. |
On the contrarary, in a way your agreeing with me. Most of these arty types (and its the same today), are the biggest drama queens of all! Did you ever read that book about Ewan mcgreggor and his ponce mate riding across asia? they whined constanlty about what a hardship it was.
Even monty python did a skit about it where a posh boy wanted to work down the pits. Its a parody of all the hearfelt, woe that rich, well educated people believed they were suffering in support of the working classes. Never heard
the expression 'poor little rich girl'?
I stand by my theory, i just wish i had some evidence  |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| The bands/singers that spring to mind protesting against Thatcher's Britiain through their music in the 80s are The Jam, UB40, Billy Bragg and the Specials. All working class lads as far as I remember. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:11 am Post subject: |
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so ok, pink floyd - the wall, a story about poor pink. Money etc.
The who -my generation, baba orally etc. oh, and that god awful song about some kid who was deaf and blind.
dire straits from newcastle, which was then starting to suffer because of steel mills etc closing. Even the name means we are up the creek.
ozzy ozbourne was a thief at one point.
marc bolan - post war east london, expelled from school.
The kinks - working class.
the small faces - working class, infact most of the mod movement represented that in some way, maybe why it was so popular.
sting - from wallsend, which is still to this day a shithole.
the list goes on. Theres definatley a pattern. Social deprevation (percieved or real) and artistic expression... |
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