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How the U.S. can reduce the debt by $71 billion per year.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: How the U.S. can reduce the debt by $71 billion per year. Reply with quote

It's simple: tax the churches. I honestly don't understand why the U.S., and other Western countries, don't close this archaic loophole. No group or institution should be given special status in a democracy. Especially so in a time of economic hardship. Don't churches want to pay their share? Don't they want to help reduce the debt, pay for hosapitals, schools and parks? This is not an attack on religious people, or even religion. It's a matter of wanting to level the playing field. By allowing religious institutions to avoid paying taxes the state loses 71.1 billion dollars - each year, every year. How can this be allowed to continue? Each decade that's 710 billion dollars in taxes not collected.

Isn't tax avoidance a crime for the rest of us?

In our struggle to bring down the national debt, it's time that we were all taxed fairly.

It's time to tax the churches.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is your tithe to the church a gift or do you get some service like a plumber making a house call (redemption in there hereafter perhaps?) in return?

Are gifts taxable in the US?
How about funds used for charitable purposes (although Churches in the US do run more like big business for profit than a charity)?

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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: How the U.S. can reduce the debt by $71 billion per year Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
It's simple: tax the churches. I honestly don't understand why the U.S., and other Western countries, don't close this archaic loophole. No group or institution should be given special status in a democracy. Especially so in a time of economic hardship. Don't churches want to pay their share? Don't they want to help reduce the debt, pay for hosapitals, schools and parks? This is not an attack on religious people, or even religion. It's a matter of wanting to level the playing field. By allowing religious institutions to avoid paying taxes the state loses 71.1 billion dollars - each year, every year. How can this be allowed to continue? Each decade that's 710 billion dollars in taxes not collected.

Isn't tax avoidance a crime for the rest of us?

In our struggle to bring down the national debt, it's time that we were all taxed fairly.

It's time to tax the churches.


absolutely. for a country founded on the idea to separate church and state it has done such a laughable job that it's a glaring fault of the nation and a core hypocrisy.

i don't think it's a charitable cause to give to a church. you are funding their loony bin machine and there are services rendered. it should be taxed.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes you think that 70 bil will be spent on dept reduction?

Direct taxation is not the way to go. Thing to do is expand the economy (i.e. make churches spend money) and collect indirect taxes. e.g. Make smoking weed at churches a non-punishable offence because churches are by tradition a 'sanctuary' for outlaws. Give the churches the pot sale monopoly (because God's dope is holy). Churches will have to spend money for better quality dope, decorations, paraphenalia, breath mints, etc to attract more worshipers to make sacrifices at the altar. That's the way to win-win.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A way to save $80 billion a year: end the food stamps program. (Let the poor people get their food from churches.)
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Nolos



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tax the churches. Geez is nothing sacred anymore? Keep the flipping government OUT OF MY LIFE and OUT OF MY CHURCH!
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the OP. Large churches often run commercial businesses which pay no business taxes. This includes hospitals and universities. And don't say they will go broke because commercial firms seem to be able to pay taxes and still reinvest.
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actionjackson



Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting topic, I saw an article the other day about a pastor in Texas asking for donations so they could fix the church helicopter. That seems a bit excessive to me. I can't post the article because my school computer blocks just about everything now but you can google it.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to add the link yesterday.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/326916

This is just one. There's articles about this all over the internet.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nolos wrote:
Tax the churches. Geez is nothing sacred anymore? Keep the flipping government OUT OF MY LIFE and OUT OF MY CHURCH!


Jesus paid his taxes.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler offered the alternative, and now I'm all for the proposal. Tax the churches.
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Nolos



Joined: 23 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Nolos wrote:
Tax the churches. Geez is nothing sacred anymore? Keep the flipping government OUT OF MY LIFE and OUT OF MY CHURCH!


Jesus paid his taxes.

Yeah PERSONAL taxes.
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candy bar



Joined: 03 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tax them to hades. The church is the biggest money laundering business out there.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nolos wrote:
Tax the churches. Geez is nothing sacred anymore? Keep the flipping government OUT OF MY LIFE and OUT OF MY CHURCH!


If the termination of religious tax-free status included the termination the Johnson Amendment, the net result would actually be far less governmental intervention into the activities of your church, not more. Yes, religious institutions would actually have to pay taxes for the sake of maintaining their host nation, but their total freedom from governmental intrusion would increase, not decrease. A number of religious organizations are making a big deal about the restrictions of this law recently, so why not just give them what they want: strip their tax-exempt status, and let them engage in all the political activism they like.
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Scorpion



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just in the US. Many other Western countries (Canada, etc.) continue to give tax exempt status to the churches. Religion plays a much smaller role in Canadian society (and Western Europe) than in the US, so they should take the lead. Something like 90% of Swedes are either atheists or agnostics. Do they still give the churches a free pass? I don't know, but as societies move away from organized religion these things must be addressed. We're not in the Middle Ages anymore. The privileges of "the Church" can no longer go unchallenged.
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