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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| "smaller"? I thought Trevon was pretty tall? |
Either 6 foot 1 or 6 foot 2. Though most Americans think him 5 foot, because his 6th grade pictures were used to identify him for about a year.
The purpose of this whole thing was to fire up the Obama base before the election. Now we'll have to deal with the consequences. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| It's very clear why this story got to the point it is now. On paper it looks "black and white"; a "white man" shoots a "black child" and gets away with it. Problem is that the ' white man" is hispanic and the "black child" is a 17 year old young man. But the race baiters didn't do their homework. They ran with the story thinking that they had a winner. The local politicians saw the pressure mounting ( members of congress and even the assclown in the Whitehouse--"If I had a son, he would look like Treyvon"-- a blunt smoking thuglet). We see pictures of young Martin as a 12 year old are circulated. It grows and grows until what should be a local story being blown into a national crisis about "race". But then again, Zimmerman is a "white hispanic". I guess that makes Obama a "black whiteman" or a "white blackman". This is NOT going to end the way the folks who pushed it think it is. Let the fun begin! |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| It's very clear why this story got to the point it is now. On paper it looks "black and white"; a "white man" shoots a "black child" and gets away with it. Problem is that the ' white man" is hispanic and the "black child" is a 17 year old young man. But the race baiters didn't do their homework. They ran with the story thinking that they had a winner. The local politicians saw the pressure mounting ( members of congress and even the assclown in the Whitehouse--"If I had a son, he would look like Treyvon"-- a blunt smoking thuglet). We see pictures of young Martin as a 12 year old are circulated. It grows and grows until what should be a local story being blown into a national crisis about "race". But then again, Zimmerman is a "white hispanic". I guess that makes Obama a "black whiteman" or a "white blackman". This is NOT going to end the way the folks who pushed it think it is. Let the fun begin! |
If I understand you correctly, you are asserting that race played no part in this case, at least not in the events leading up to and including Martin's death, or in the initial reluctance of the police to charge Zimmerman afterwards. While my gut tells me you are wrong, and things would have gone much differently both before and after the shooting if Trayvon, had been white, I have to admit that it would be hard to prove that with 100% certainty.
However, I also have to say that you don't exactly seem to be an authority on racial sensitivity, given some of the other things you say. In fact, calling Martin "a blunt smoking thuglet", seems downright racist.
It's statements like that that give fodder to the race baiters in the first place. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Zimmerman evidently lied about not knowing about the "Stand Your Ground" law... |
It was discussed during only one class, Zimmerman may or may not have been there, and, if he was actually there, he may have forgotten... like most people do with most things they study.
It's not really relevant anyway, since Stand Your Ground doesn't apply to this case. Zimmerman's account would qualify as simple self-defense in any state (Martin had him restrained), so it is his retelling of the events that must be contradicted, not what he may or may not have recalled from a single day in a class he took over a year prior to the shooting.
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| If - as Al Sharpton has pointed out - Zimmerman had been training in MMA, why didn't he use some of that instead of shooting-to-kill a smaller 17 year old kid ... |
1. The evidence for this MMA training is a four and a half month gym membership and a comment Zimmerman made to his doctor about using MMA classes to exercise.
2. Martin was not smaller than Zimmerman, and had himself been involved in a fight club.
3. Who's to say Zimmerman didn't try to use what he may have learned?
I really don't see this having much impact either. Witness testimony still puts Zimmerman on his back with Martin on top. The injuries still show Zimmerman getting worked over, not Martin. What could this four and a half month membership (for f***'s sake, FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS) possibly prove?
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| I have little doubt that the whole fight was over possession of the gun. |
According to Zimmerman, that's pretty much exactly what happened: Martin spotted the gun while Zimmerman was trying to squirm completely onto to the grass to stop Martin from slamming his head into the sidewalk. Martin then tried to grab for the gun, and, well... that didn't work out too well for him. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| When I hear the foreigners here hyperventilating about Psy using the term 코쟁이 |
I can't speak for everybody, but "big nose" certainly wasn't the part of his act that got my goat. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| When I hear the foreigners here hyperventilating about Psy using the term 코쟁이 |
I can't speak for everybody, but "big nose" certainly wasn't the part of his act that got my goat. |
I got lectured in some other thread about what a serious slur it is! |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| I have little doubt that the whole fight was over possession of the gun. |
According to Zimmerman, that's pretty much exactly what happened: Martin spotted the gun while Zimmerman was trying to squirm completely onto to the grass to stop Martin from slamming his head into the sidewalk. Martin then tried to grab for the gun, and, well... that didn't work out too well for him. |
I guess it comes down to...when did the 'spotting' take place...and this is where I feel Zimmerman is on thin ice.
Martin may have spotted the gun right from the initial confrontation...and fearing that Zimmerman was going to shoot him with it...tried to fight for it.
Either way...Zimmerman did shoot him with it.
But again....all speculation. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| It's very clear why this story got to the point it is now. On paper it looks "black and white"; a "white man" shoots a "black child" and gets away with it. Problem is that the ' white man" is hispanic and the "black child" is a 17 year old young man. But the race baiters didn't do their homework. They ran with the story thinking that they had a winner. The local politicians saw the pressure mounting ( members of congress and even the assclown in the Whitehouse--"If I had a son, he would look like Treyvon"-- a blunt smoking thuglet). We see pictures of young Martin as a 12 year old are circulated. It grows and grows until what should be a local story being blown into a national crisis about "race". But then again, Zimmerman is a "white hispanic". I guess that makes Obama a "black whiteman" or a "white blackman". This is NOT going to end the way the folks who pushed it think it is. Let the fun begin! |
Wow, the actual race baiters are up and about on Dave's today..lol..titus and bigverne must have called in for reinforcements from The Aryan Natiions.  |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| It's very clear why this story got to the point it is now. On paper it looks "black and white"; a "white man" shoots a "black child" and gets away with it. Problem is that the ' white man" is hispanic and the "black child" is a 17 year old young man. But the race baiters didn't do their homework. They ran with the story thinking that they had a winner. The local politicians saw the pressure mounting ( members of congress and even the assclown in the Whitehouse--"If I had a son, he would look like Treyvon"-- a blunt smoking thuglet). We see pictures of young Martin as a 12 year old are circulated. It grows and grows until what should be a local story being blown into a national crisis about "race". But then again, Zimmerman is a "white hispanic". I guess that makes Obama a "black whiteman" or a "white blackman". This is NOT going to end the way the folks who pushed it think it is. Let the fun begin! |
Wow, the actual race baiters are up and about on Dave's today..lol..titus and bigverne must have called in for reinforcements from The Aryan Natiions. |
Ya man. I aimed a big flood light with a 14 Words emblem into the internet, calling forth cretins from Stormfront to do my bidding.
Everything Carl said was accurate. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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http://radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/volume-3-issue-1-no-reason/#a-world-of-mystery
How strange. So much racial violence does not get the Trayvon treatment. |
Why doesn't that blog list all the black women that have been raped as well?
Could it be that there are far more black women raped by black men, and they're just discarded because black on black crime is largely ignored? What do you think? |
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supershi2012
Joined: 03 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| What really bothers me about all this is how the value of a person's life-how much media coverage they get- is mostly determined by the color of that person's killer. Had both been black, no one would have bothered to report. Had both been white, it may have received only a fraction of the coverage. But because both persons were different races, especially with the killer being 'white' it's newsworthy. They couldn't even properly report Zimmerman as Hispanic because that would diminish the value of the report. No one cares when minorities kill each other. It's only when a white person kills that it's an issue. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
http://radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/volume-3-issue-1-no-reason/#a-world-of-mystery
How strange. So much racial violence does not get the Trayvon treatment. |
Why doesn't that blog list all the black women that have been raped as well?
Could it be that there are far more black women raped by black men, and they're just discarded because black on black crime is largely ignored? What do you think? |
Or all the white men who rape white women and beat them, because I'm sure that it means that they hate white people too. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| It's very clear why this story got to the point it is now. On paper it looks "black and white"; a "white man" shoots a "black child" and gets away with it. Problem is that the ' white man" is hispanic and the "black child" is a 17 year old young man. But the race baiters didn't do their homework. They ran with the story thinking that they had a winner. The local politicians saw the pressure mounting ( members of congress and even the assclown in the Whitehouse--"If I had a son, he would look like Treyvon"-- a blunt smoking thuglet). We see pictures of young Martin as a 12 year old are circulated. It grows and grows until what should be a local story being blown into a national crisis about "race". But then again, Zimmerman is a "white hispanic". I guess that makes Obama a "black whiteman" or a "white blackman". This is NOT going to end the way the folks who pushed it think it is. Let the fun begin! |
If I understand you correctly, you are asserting that race played no part in this case, at least not in the events leading up to and including Martin's death, or in the initial reluctance of the police to charge Zimmerman afterwards. While my gut tells me you are wrong, and things would have gone much differently both before and after the shooting if Trayvon, had been white, I have to admit that it would be hard to prove that with 100% certainty.
However, I also have to say that you don't exactly seem to be an authority on racial sensitivity, given some of the other things you say. In fact, calling Martin "a blunt smoking thuglet", seems downright racist.
It's statements like that that give fodder to the race baiters in the first place. |
but but.......he had a gold tooth!!! |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| It's very clear why this story got to the point it is now. On paper it looks "black and white"; a "white man" shoots a "black child" and gets away with it. Problem is that the ' white man" is hispanic and the "black child" is a 17 year old young man. But the race baiters didn't do their homework. They ran with the story thinking that they had a winner. The local politicians saw the pressure mounting ( members of congress and even the assclown in the Whitehouse--"If I had a son, he would look like Treyvon"-- a blunt smoking thuglet). We see pictures of young Martin as a 12 year old are circulated. It grows and grows until what should be a local story being blown into a national crisis about "race". But then again, Zimmerman is a "white hispanic". I guess that makes Obama a "black whiteman" or a "white blackman". This is NOT going to end the way the folks who pushed it think it is. Let the fun begin! |
Wow, the actual race baiters are up and about on Dave's today..lol..titus and bigverne must have called in for reinforcements from The Aryan Natiions. |
Ya man. I aimed a big flood light with a 14 Words emblem into the internet, calling forth cretins from Stormfront to do my bidding.
Everything Carl said was accurate. |
His post and almost all of yours is about what you DO NOT say. No balance. A Nation of Islam Black guy can come on here and say the complete opposite and be factually right as well..and BOTH of you would be wrong. |
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