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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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 Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| That happened at my hogwon last week. During one of my classes, I heard a female screaming and yelling, and I thought it was a specific girl student yelling at another student, so I went to the door to go have her quieten down. It ended up being an adult screaming at the Korean English teacher, and it lasted through the entire class. A couple of my students said they needed to use the restroom, but were afraid of going into the hallway the way she was carrying on. It was by far the biggest tantrum I have ever seen by anyone of any age anywhere. I assumed it was an angry mom, but maybe it was one of those "enforcers." |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| I believe that there is room for CP in the home. |
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| I'm able to defend myself as a grown man, my child is not. |
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| My job is to defend my child. |
Who's going to defend her from you? |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:19 am Post subject: |
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TOO funny  |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Looks like an industry has been created out of the desire to stop bullying.
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/07/113_138683.html
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Paid adult bullies that hit school bullies “School violence, alienation, bullying...a meager response only yields more severe violence. Stop worrying by yourself and call us! We will help you.”
Kim, 52, a middle school teacher in Songpa district, was shocked upon seeing a flyer plastered onto a telephone pole in front of a school on June 24.
On a sheet of A4 paper was an article about severe school violence and a caption that read, "Call us. We solved school violence." At the bottom of the flyer was a phone number. Kim called the number and revealed his occupation as a teacher to the person on the other line, asking him, "How is it that you can possibly end school violence?" "The school has nothing to do with this matter," the stranger responded before hanging up. "I was worried that strangers would threaten and physically hurt students, so I passed on the flyer to the police," Kim said.
Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency said that they are investigating the origin of the flyers and tracking down people responsible for posting them. The police, though cautious about pressing charges against anyone yet, are considering the possibility of errand-running companies or private detective agencies having been paid to hurt teenagers.
Not only are there no reports of assaults yet, but also a flyer claiming to "contribute toward ending school violence" is insufficient to punish anyone. "If errand-running companies and private detective agencies are involved, then they must have gathered information about students' whereabouts illegally. We are planning to expand investigation on their potential breach of laws on use and protection of individuals' personal information," police affiliates said.
The special service these intimidating chaps provide is a well-kept secret that parents living in Gangnam are well acquainted with. Nine out of ten errand-running companies in metropolitan areas “get the most requests to resolve school violence after those to investigate reports of adultery,” according to the Chosun Ilbo. "We will send over a gangster or body guard right away," they said.
Pay varies from 150,000 won to 25 million won. Some "problem solvers" offer a second round of service.
Company H in Gangnam, where a former police investigative chief works, demands 25 million won prior to and after service. “There’s no need to cause unnecessary uproar by kidnapping or killing the bully. It’s not our first time doing something like this,” company S in Gangnam said. “If there’s any problem, we’re willing to offer a second round of service.”
Some "problem solving" agencies are even willing to create an uproar at school. "It takes a big ruckus to resolve school violence. If you abruptly cause a stir in the middle of class, there is nothing anyone can do about it,” a company in Yongsan district of Seoul said. "We barged into the cafeteria one day and told the teachers that their incompetence is the reason for our sudden presence. The school could not even call on us."
In a blog post, a mother of a middle school student wrote, "I'm withdrawing money that I saved by not buying any clothes and not eating to pay an errand-running company." "What is there a mother would possibly not do for a son, who attempted suicide after experiencing school violence? I hate using violence to end violence, but I learned that kids must be reprimanded with the same sticks that they use to hit their peers.”
Park, 51, parent to a seventh grade son, said, "Calling the police doesn't help, since the perpetrator is underage and therefore, free from any official punishment. Paying the "problem solvers" to avenge the harm done to my kid would make him a perpetrator, so I ultimately could not put my thoughts into action."
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Disturbing to say the least. But you kind of have to feel for the parents who get fed up with the laziness of schools and police to not want to deal with this. There was a smart kid who was socially challenged always getting picked on by kids. Other teachers had no clue and couldn't understand why he was always frieking out. Even when I told them why, they didn't seem to get it. I don't know what it is that causes teachers here to put their heads up their butts about this. I'd always go out and get the kids to leave him alone. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Disturbing to say the least. But you kind of have to feel for the parents who get fed up with the laziness of schools and police to not want to deal with this. There was a smart kid who was socially challenged always getting picked on by kids. Other teachers had no clue and couldn't understand why he was always frieking out. Even when I told them why, they didn't seem to get it. I don't know what it is that causes teachers here to put their heads up their butts about this. I'd always go out and get the kids to leave him alone. |
It seems disturbing but like you said get the feel from the parents side. I remember when parents could go talk to each other about violence or bullying and something was done. Now every parent thinks their children are the gift of the world/perfect angels etc. (note this is in the USA where i grew up) I REALLY feel for the kids who have to deal with this and attempt suicide because NOTHING is done in the schools. My 2nd year here, a school near mine lost a 6th grade student after he jumped from his 10th story window. I dont know all the details but apparently he was the victim of bullying and constant assaults of which the teachers did nothing. I think many teachers in korea feel that "we survived bullying/saw past it and these students should too" or something similar in that mentality.
That being said I am a firm believer in CP as long as it fits the punishment. If CC and I disagree well of course we each have our own opinion. I will remember that my mom always told me "you reap what you sow, if you are bad at school and get smacked, you better believe it will be twice as bad when you get home" and she kept her word. I had my ass worn out a couple times and it helped me to focus on "if I do something wrong I had better be prepared for the consequences." I didnt turn out bad and neither did all of my friends who had the same thinking parents.
Also the person who said "some of the best kids i know were never hit by their parents" (think it was fermentation) thats cool and all, but your comment seems to almost take both ends of the spectrum. I know PLENTY of kids who were not hit and are spoiled brats/a-holes/biatches/etc who should have gotten their butts turned red lol
Just my opinion ^ ^ |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Nah, look at what you said after I challenged your assertion
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| 1. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Actually, there are probably some that still get spanked, but it's not as common as before. The newest generation is being coddled like never before in this country, and that doesn't take a survey to figure out. How do I think I know? Past employment in adult teaching and teacher training for one thing, in which they virtually all say similar things about discipline methods. If they are doing much spanking, they are either not admitting to it, or lying about it. |
That's not backing away from it. That's putting the onus on me to try to disprove your assertion.
You were wrong in your claim, as you've been wrong in many things in this thread.
If you're not big enough to admit that, then so be it.
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Wow, still hammering on this? I clarified this already and admitted I used NEVER too hastily, and re-clarified what I meant for you, but apparently you can't let it go. Gotta give you points for determination, but you're either slow on the uptake or being deliberately obtuse, because you're all over the map here:
...First I'm "backing away" from it, then I'm "not" backing away from it. Then you claim I put the onus on you to disprove it, but you say I'm "wrong" about it while admitting YOU have no idea either way. Then in desperation, you say I'm not "big enough" to admit I'm "wrong" while you have no idea if it's wrong or not and said so yourself.
Awesome.
It appears you're just sensitive about the parent thing and are on your high-horse about it. You can trod out the same points over and over, but it doesn't make you correct. It's now more obvious than ever that simply being a parent doesn't mean they know more than anyone else on this matter.
CC, you're wrong and you've been wrong about "many things" in this thread.
And if you're not big enough to admit that, then so be it.
(See... two can play at that game.) |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:26 am Post subject: |
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[quote="chrisinkorea2011"]
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That being said I am a firm believer in CP as long as it fits the punishment. If CC and I disagree well of course we each have our own opinion. I will remember that my mom always told me "you reap what you sow, if you are bad at school and get smacked, you better believe it will be twice as bad when you get home" and she kept her word. I had my ass worn out a couple times and it helped me to focus on "if I do something wrong I had better be prepared for the consequences." I didnt turn out bad and neither did all of my friends who had the same thinking parents.
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Exactly.
My dad and mom differed on it quite a lot.
Once, I got a swat at school and dad's response was basically: "Ok, What did YOU do to deserve it? Better not do that again then, huh?"
Pretty simple and straightforward.
Moms basic response: "Outrageous! He can't give you a swat!"
She visited the school and threatened a lawsuit if it happened again (even though C.P. was legal in that particular state).
Basic message to kid: "I'm untouchable no matter what I do! Yaaaay!"
Now, most parents seem to think like my mom did. And fewer and fewer think like my dad. By the way, I ALWAYS behaved around my dad. Wonder why... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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That being said I am a firm believer in CP as long as it fits the punishment. If CC and I disagree well of course we each have our own opinion. I will remember that my mom always told me "you reap what you sow, if you are bad at school and get smacked, you better believe it will be twice as bad when you get home" and she kept her word. I had my ass worn out a couple times and it helped me to focus on "if I do something wrong I had better be prepared for the consequences." I didnt turn out bad and neither did all of my friends who had the same thinking parents.
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Exactly.
My dad and mom differed on it quite a lot.
Once, I got a swat at school and dad's response was basically: "Ok, What did YOU do to deserve it? Better not do that again then, huh?"
Pretty simple and straightforward.
Moms basic response: "Outrageous! He | | | |
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