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sirius black
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http://radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/volume-3-issue-1-no-reason/#a-world-of-mystery
How strange. So much racial violence does not get the Trayvon treatment. |
There are many, many Black crimnals killed by law enforcement in the act of a crime. Many. They are not criticized by Blacks nor do they have demonstrations. Why? Its a very few. Why? Could it be that even Blacks believe they were justified and no racial animus? The ones that become cause celebres are the ones that seem to have some additional racial animus. I disagree wtih some of them but the reasons I understand given the amount of profiling that goes on. NYC cops randomly vioalating people's civil liberties which in previous posts you support. Its also 'strange' that every time I seem to see a guy be exonerated after 20 years of being in jail sometimes on death row because of new DNA techniques that weren't around back then they always seem to be Black. Enough for a former Republican governor of Illinois to suspend death penalty cases in his state several years ago. Gives some credence to disparities in the justice system.
You and others constantly change the dialogue to 'race and crime' but have conveniently avoided ever answerng my questions about it. Jails have all races and ethnicities there and their one common denominator in the overwhelming amount of cases is poverty/low family income as well as being under educated.
When any group in America had a high crime rate those two factors were a constant. The various european immigrant gangs of the past (Italians, Jews, Irish) all had that commn denominator but you would surreptitiously believe that Blacks are different. Its subtle and you're practiced at it, I'll grant that.
But Colin Powel's, Clarence Thomas', Will Smith's sons are very unlikely to be a statistic in that regard? Why? Could it be they are not poor and under educatedd?
The over 800k white criminals in American prisons were also low income/under educated as well as the asians an latinos in prisons.
The ONLY difference between black rapists and murderes and white rapists and murderers is that Blacks will rape and murder anyone, but overwhelmingly prey on their own and white rapists and murderers almost exclusively rape and murder their own race. A white woman has more to fear from a white guy than a black guy the same with a black woman from a black guy.
Finally, there are at least a few thousand Black teachers spread throughout Korea. What is the crime rate for them? Extremely low. I'm not talking military, just the teachers. Why aren't the black crime stats in America the same as in Korea? Hmmm....could it be that ALL of the black teachers in Korea are educated, living a middle class life? Please give us your reason for this. I'm dying to hear it. I have a feeling I shouldn't hold my breath but I'll have the grill waiting for some red herrings to be served. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
There are many, many Black crimnals killed by law enforcement in the act of a crime. Many. They are not criticized by Blacks nor do they have demonstrations. Why? Its a very few. Why? Could it be that even Blacks believe they were justified and no racial animus? The ones that become cause celebres are the ones that seem to have some additional racial animus. |
Good point. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| Titus wrote: |
http://radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/volume-3-issue-1-no-reason/#a-world-of-mystery
How strange. So much racial violence does not get the Trayvon treatment. |
Why doesn't that blog list all the black women that have been raped as well?
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Because that isn't the topic of his post. He isn't a universalist, either.
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| Jails have all races and ethnicities there and their one common denominator in the overwhelming amount of cases is poverty/low family income as well as being under educated. |
Blacks v white crime is almost exactly the same as men v women crime. Are more men in jail than women because of "education"? Or is it aggression, future time orientation and impulse control (all of which men have less of when compared to women and blacks when compared to whites).
I know that white liberal people think that, with the right amount of money and "education", the state will be able to turn water into wine. I find the resiliency of this belief to be incredible. How many cities will have to be totally destroyed before some reality seeps in? The power of platitudes is incredible. Hope, change, dreams, equality... These phrases turn the brain into mush.
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| Finally, there are at least a few thousand Black teachers spread throughout Korea. |
Have one of those teachers (assuming they're not 100pc liberal arts grads) teach you the concept of a Gaussian Distribution.
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| No one cares when minorities kill each other. It's only when a white person kills that it's an issue. |
Exactly. This was never about TM. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| You and others constantly change the dialogue to 'race and crime' but have conveniently avoided ever answerng my questions about it. Jails have all races and ethnicities there and their one common denominator in the overwhelming amount of cases is poverty/low family income as well as being under educated. |
This has been answered numerous times but you ignore it each time. Even after correcting for social class and education, blacks commit crimes at far higher rates. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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While there have been various interpretations of data, I think that sociological studies indicate that structural factors affect violent crime rates more for African-Americans than is the case for whites. http://www88.homepage.villanova.edu/lance.hannon/Forthcoming%20in%20the%20Journal%20of%20Poverty.pdf
This trial got so much publicity initially because of the evident unfairness of Stand Your Ground laws that in effect give heavily armed racist vigilantes - in no short supply in the U.S. thanks to groups like the NRA, KKK, etc - a "legal" license to kill easily profiled (any dark-skinned guy with a hoodie..) targets of their fear and/or hatred.
Based on testimony (and Zimmerman's relation to police) I think its reasonable to assume that he was versed in the particulars of that law, which presumably encouraged him to track and unnecessarily confront Martin. Whether-or-not it became necessary for him to ultimately kill his unarmed victim is a matter for the jury to decide; but the potential for abuse inherent in Stand Your Ground should be highlighted and scrutinized. http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/why-stand-your-ground-is-really-kill-at-will/ |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| . Whether-or-not it became necessary for him to ultimately kill his unarmed victim is a matter for the jury to decide; /[/url] |
Well if this witness is telling the truth (what does he gain by lying?)
it was necessary
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/28/zimmerman-trial-witness-says-he-tried-to-stop-fight/2471949/
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| The description of the person on the bottom, Good said, matched Zimmerman that night. The person on the top had similar dark clothing as that worn by Trayvon, he said. |
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Under cross-examination by defense attorney Mark O'Mara, Good testified that during the tussle, the teen appeared to execute a mixed-martial arts maneuver known as"ground and pound."
"I only saw downward movements," Good said, when pressed for details about what Trayvon's arms were doing right before he was killed |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| He's going to walk. |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed.................and some people won't like it................ |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Agreed.................and some people won't like it................ |
The "Law of the Street" people?  |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| You and others constantly change the dialogue to 'race and crime' but have conveniently avoided ever answerng my questions about it. Jails have all races and ethnicities there and their one common denominator in the overwhelming amount of cases is poverty/low family income as well as being under educated. |
This has been answered numerous times but you ignore it each time. Even after correcting for social class and education, blacks commit crimes at far higher rates. |
I will play along. What should we conclude from this and how do we resolve it? |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
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| You and others constantly change the dialogue to 'race and crime' but have conveniently avoided ever answerng my questions about it. Jails have all races and ethnicities there and their one common denominator in the overwhelming amount of cases is poverty/low family income as well as being under educated. |
This has been answered numerous times but you ignore it each time. Even after correcting for social class and education, blacks commit crimes at far higher rates. |
I will play along. What should we conclude from this and how do we resolve it? |
That these differences, less we utilize eugenics, are permanent. Everybody accept it and move on. We do not in any way benefit from integrated states. This is what people believe already, demonstrated informally through population movements. They move to the suburbs. When section 8 arrives, they move to the exurbs. When section 8 arrives, they move to Portland. etc. Watching cities like Philadelphia follow Baltimore, Detroit etc is intolerable over the medium-run so something has to give. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Urban problems leading to "white flight" to the suburbs are more the result of cultural rather than racial/genetic factors. I've substituted at lots of inner-city schools, and some have good school cultures even though the student population is comprised of more blacks (and Hispanics) than whites. Others, with fewer blacks, have bad school cultures and are more dangerous. Poverty rates are high at practically all the city schools.
I think the main reason that whites have fled to suburbs is concern for their kids' safety in schools where too many students lack cultural and other kinds of support for academic and social success. Pre-school, after-school, magnet-school, high-tech, and community outreach programs have been shown to help but are often underfunded. Perhaps nothing destroys school culture more than a combination of gun, drug and gang cultures. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think the main reason that whites have fled to suburbs is concern for their kids' safety in schools where too many students lack cultural and other kinds of support for academic and social success. Pre-school, after-school, magnet-school, high-tech, and community outreach programs have been shown to help but are often underfunded. Perhaps nothing destroys school culture more than a combination of gun, drug and gang cultures. |
In other words, appropriate a vast sum of money, and then use that money to absolutely minimize the influence parents and family have on the children's lives and replace it with the influence of the state. Pre-school and after-school combined amount to raising people's children for them from a very young age, and "high tech" is all about making poor kids feel less poor by giving them expensive toys to play with in the classroom.
Hell, go for it, just don't condemn people for not wanting to live around your social experiment while it plays out, okay? |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
I think the main reason that whites have fled to suburbs is concern for their kids' safety in schools where too many students lack cultural and other kinds of support for academic and social success. Pre-school, after-school, magnet-school, high-tech, and community outreach programs have been shown to help but are often underfunded. Perhaps nothing destroys school culture more than a combination of gun, drug and gang cultures. |
In other words, appropriate a vast sum of money, and then use that money to absolutely minimize the influence parents and family have on the children's lives and replace it with the influence of the state. Pre-school and after-school combined amount to raising people's children for them from a very young age, and "high tech" is all about making poor kids feel less poor by giving them expensive toys to play with in the classroom.
Hell, go for it, just don't condemn people for not wanting to live around your social experiment while it plays out, okay? |
Or we could stop arresting their fathers for victimless crimes at disproportionate rates, especially considering that white people use as much or more drugs than black people.
http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/kids.htm
Let's set up a system where one group is targeted, their families are torn apart, all for doing something that isn't even a problem unique to their ethnicity, let's make sure that they all live in the same areas so that they are easier to police, let's make sure that they all go to the worst schools, live around the worst infrastructure, and then lets make them out to be a particularly dangerous group that needs to be further alienated and exiled. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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