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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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I wasn't really looking for advice on how to pull pranks on the teacher. But I have decided to relate to her a bit differently. Before I would simply overlook her many mistakes in the classroom, so she wouldn't lose face. That will now stop. I will now enthusiastically point out her mistakes. (I might even call up a student to correct any mistakes she has made writing sentences on the board.) "There are three errors in this sentence. Can anyone spot them?" This is actually to the students' advantage, because the idiot has them write the sentences five times in their notebooks. Her mistakes will have to be unlearned, but so as not to show her up I've grinned and ignored them. That courtesy is now a thing of the past. Also, when the VP or other teachers ask me about her English ability, I will now talk it down rather than up.
I will not, however, be opening her desk drawer, unplugging her cellphone, or hiding her USB, regardless of how creative those ideas might be.
Not yet anyway.  |
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Janny
Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: all over the place
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Opening up her desk drawer is genius. +1 |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to irritate an irritating co-teacher? |
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| Smithington wrote: |
but in your mind the foreigner is always to blame.
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Well there are two reasons for this;
1. I've met tons of foreigners here. 90% of them are just bad human beings in one way or another. Pathologically self-centered, wholly irresponsible, completely un-invested in anything other than getting drunk on Friday night, entirely un-interested in actually being teachers, racist, bullies...
2. It's a reaction. There's so much over the top anti-Korean hate here, you should expect the opposite reaction. Koreans are faaaaar from perfect but that goes for people from every other nation too. If the racists posters were a little less two-dimensional, the people who can live quite happily outside of their home country might extend the same courtesy. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| LeaforKorea wrote: |
I'll preface my response by saying I have no experience whatsoever in Korea since I'm still in the process of setting up for my 1st year teaching ESL in Korea.
However, I do have experience working with co-teachers at a high school on an Indian reservation which is something like working in a foreign country.
As an outsider, you are always going to be the one who is thought to be the least trustworthy. Your employers will almost always side with the native teacher.
I have found that if someone doesn't like you for whatever reason and tries to make your life hell, it will only get worse for you if you make them hate you even more.
I agree with the comments who advise killing them with kindness. Try bringing them a gift and acting like their presence is really valued.
You'll be surprised how quickly kindness can bring about a change in someone's behavior towards you.
It may be difficult for you at first, but always remember that the most difficult tasks often bring the greatest rewards. |
You're fantastic!! |
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Nolos
Joined: 23 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to irritate an irritating co-teacher? |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
but in your mind the foreigner is always to blame.
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Well there are two reasons for this;
1. I've met tons of foreigners here. 90% of them are just bad human beings in one way or another. Pathologically self-centered, wholly irresponsible, completely un-invested in anything other than getting drunk on Friday night, entirely un-interested in actually being teachers, racist, bullies...
2. It's a reaction. There's so much over the top anti-Korean hate here, you should expect the opposite reaction. Koreans are faaaaar from perfect but that goes for people from every other nation too. If the racists posters were a little less two-dimensional, the people who can live quite happily outside of their home country might extend the same courtesy. |
I think you are delusional |
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peachKitten713
Joined: 13 May 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to irritate an irritating co-teacher? |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
but in your mind the foreigner is always to blame.
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completely un-invested in anything other than getting drunk on Friday night, |
Hey, what's wrong with getting drunk on a (or even every) Friday night?! ^.^ |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to irritate an irritating co-teacher? |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
but in your mind the foreigner is always to blame.
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I've met tons of foreigners here. 90% of them are just bad human beings. |
Thank you for your honesty. Now that we knows where you're coming from (and what you think of 90% of other posters on this forum) we can feel free to ignore everything that you post. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to irritate an irritating co-teacher? |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| 1. I've met tons of foreigners here. 90% of them are just bad human beings in one way or another. Pathologically self-centered, wholly irresponsible, completely un-invested in anything other than getting drunk on Friday night, entirely un-interested in actually being teachers, racist, bullies... |
If you're going to the types of places where this is true, it says more about you than it does most foreign teachers. For every drunk foreigner you see in the places you go on Fridays, keep in mind there are a lot of foreigners at home on Friday night with a spouse and kids, or Skyping with relatives back home, or out on a date with a girlfriend or boyfriend, etc. |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| entirely un-interested in actually being teachers, racist, bullies... |
I personally think it's good that foreigners are uninterested in being racist and/or bullies. I wish more Koreans were uninterested in being racist and/or bullies.
Waygeek - why do you think foreigners should be interested in being racist and/or bullies?
Or is it a case of your English not being good enough to actually state what you want to in an articulate way? |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to irritate an irritating co-teacher? |
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| EZE wrote: |
If you're going to the types of places where this is true, it says more about you than it does most foreign teachers. |
Nice try but this is just out and about, not sure what indication I gave you that I frequent bad places but I give you an A+ for effort. I see these problems a lot in my town, in Seoul where foreigners congregate, on foreigner orientated trips... a lot of people are alright and you're far more likely to find the decent folk on trips etc. because the bad ones stay on the internet and bitch, or stay in their towns, or go and get drunk in Hongdae and Itaewon.
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| entirely un-interested in actually being teachers, racist, bullies... |
I personally think it's good that foreigners are uninterested in being racist and/or bullies. I wish more Koreans were uninterested in being racist and/or bullies.
Waygeek - why do you think foreigners should be interested in being racist and/or bullies?
Or is it a case of your English not being good enough to actually state what you want to in an articulate way? |
Actually because what you quoted was prefaced with a comma it's clear that it's a sequence of comments, please troll harder.
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| For every drunk foreigner you see in the places you go on Fridays, keep in mind there are a lot of foreigners at home on Friday night with a spouse and kids, or Skyping with relatives back home, or out on a date with a girlfriend or boyfriend, etc. |
Explain to me how that makes them good people. They could be awful people, and still spend Friday night skyping. There's people in my town that never go out drinking, yet have led mutinies against co-workers because the co-worker was offered a promotion and not them, people that gossip endlessly, are completely self-interested, people that have bullied and tried to exclude people from group gatherings... no; they don't go out and get wasted and start brawls, they are awful people in a different way. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to irritate an irritating co-teacher? |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
Explain to me how that makes them good people.
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Waygeek dude, would you consider yourself socially disfunctional? Do you really think that 90% of the foreigners you've met here are "bad people." I ask because that's the most outrageous statement I've read on this forum in a long time. Personally, I wouldn't even classify 90% of prison inmates as "bad people." Yet you seem to be comfortable applying it freely to basically the entire foreign population here. Seriously, what's that about? Is it because they don't seem interested in engaging with you? Is it because they criticize Korea? (Of course, you must be a bad person if you're criticizing Korea.) Or are you some religious nutjob who thinks everyone is "a bad person" if they don't buy into the doctrines of your particular cult, or you've spotted them (God forbid) coming out of a pub on a Friday night? Would you mind elaborating on what constitutes a "good person" so we'll all know how to conduct ourselves in future. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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He wasn't simply saying that 90% of foreigners he met were "bad people." That, of course, is insulting enough; but he actually referred to them as "bad human beings". That's a much stronger indictment. Someone who cheats on his wife or rips off his employees is a "bad person". Eichmann, Pol Pot, and Charles Manson are "bad human beings." Apparently we can now add the vast majority of foreigners in Korea to that infamous list.
I eagerly await the documentary. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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^ Oops, sorry. We're "bad human beings." I'm still waiting waygeek's definition of a "bad human being" as well as his definition of a "good human being." Clearly the majority of us fall into the first category, and himself into the second. As someone who is daily striving to be a better human being and escape that damned first category, I'm sure he'll show up soon to enlighten me. Waygeek, since you are one of the very few "good human beings" that post here (the other 90% of us being human trash) would you please tell us how you became a good person. In fact, I demand that you tell us - you have a moral obligation to enlighten us. Indeed, you have a societal responsibility. Yopu absolutely must tell us what your secret is.
What is it that makes you such a good person, and the rest of us utterly reprehensible? |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Any tips on how to irritate an irritating co-teacher? |
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| EZE wrote: |
| Waygeek wrote: |
| 1. I've met tons of foreigners here. 90% of them are just bad human beings in one way or another. Pathologically self-centered, wholly irresponsible, completely un-invested in anything other than getting drunk on Friday night, entirely un-interested in actually being teachers, racist, bullies... |
If you're going to the types of places where this is true, it says more about you than it does most foreign teachers. For every drunk foreigner you see in the places you go on Fridays, keep in mind there are a lot of foreigners at home on Friday night with a spouse and kids, or Skyping with relatives back home, or out on a date with a girlfriend or boyfriend, etc. |
He isn't going to those types of places, if he was he would realize the majority of people in them are Korean. Korean night life is pretty brutal, anybody that partakes knows this.
He goes to the coffee shop with his 53 yr old female married co teacher on saturday afternoon, and when they both see me straggle in half hungover he apologizes on my behalf. Then she talks to him about how she feels so lucky to have a responsible coworker like him and he feels better about himself. He's a good little foreigner.
Ah, Waygeek, if you play your cards right that cute coworker you have your eyes on might actually put one of her busy nights on hold and give you a free Korean lesson (as long as she has a friend with her). Don't be mad when she ducks out at 8 pm because she has a "curfew".
He's eating this stuff up, and he's either willfully ignorant about certain aspects of Korean society or he is a troll.
If he's a he that is, if he's a she then there are some deeper issues at work here that are beyond me. |
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beckett
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Location: Ireland
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| The virgin is strong in waygeek |
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