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[TheUrbanMyth]

[Leon]

[TheUrbanMyth]

[Leon]

[Rteacher]

Did someone mention karma? ... http://www.gitamrta.org/reincarnation.pdf

[Titus]

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/

[geldedgoat]

[geldedgoat]

[Leon]

[sirius black]

Totally agree that Zimmerman is legally innocent (because of the law, a flawed one) but morally guilty. ANY law that allows you to pursue someone you think is suspicious and that person ends up dead is morally wrong. In theory I can go up to what I deem a suspicious person, question him as to what he wants, he gets offended and tells me to f*ck off. We fght, I am losing and I fear for my life, even if the person has no intent on killing me but I think I will die and I shoot him and all is well, I get to go home and his family doesn't get their family member back.

As to bigverne's and titus' assertions about race and crime and all that.
First, let me first translate adjusting for this and that, blacks commit more crimes. I said, crime was a function of poverty and that's what his qualification means. An upper middle class black may commit more crime than an upper middle class white but my guess its statistically insignificant. Poor, under educated people, from dysfuntional families commit crimes more than everyone else, and the prisons, all of them black, white asian is proof of that.
Also, incarceration rates change. Black incarceration rate has changed in a generation. As noted, other groups changed lower. Look at the rates now, in California, Arizona, Texas, its latino rates rising. Latinos dominate California prisons. Blacks do not dominate the prisons there and its growing. They have taken over the prisons there. Why? The same reasons other groups showed an increase in prison rates.

Second, as far as mixing. Lets be completely honest here. as a people Blacks have NEVER been accepted socially collectively in American history. Individually, yes, even some communities, but as a collective. No.
Other groups, mainly European immigrants were in the same boat. The Irish, the Italians and European Jews were initially not accepted by Americans and had to form their own communities.
They had similar or even higher level of crimes as blacks did today. The Irish were famous for it in NYC, Chicago and Boston The Italian mafia took off because they were never accepted.
Even Jews, who never had a history of organized, violent crime in Europe had jewish gangs and gangsters (Lansky, Dutch Schultz, Bugsy Siege and many others, etc.). NYC's lower east side, a jewish neighborhood was infamous for crime.
5 points in NYC, at one point had 70% of NYC's crime, an Irish neighborhood. Why did these groups crime rates go down? They were accepted collectively. The Irish, Italians and Jews were originally not regarded as 'white'.
The Irish were called the 'Irish race'. A political party (the Know nothings) were set up solely to limit immigration from eastern and southern europe.
Its now no big deal if you marry a person of Irish, Italian or Jewish descent (as well as other European groups once regarded lesser such as Poles, etc.). These groups could live in any white neighborhood, etc. and eventually be deemed 'white' by mainstream America when once they were not considered 'white'.
Blacks as a collective have NEVER been fully accepted. My point being is that bigvernes assertion that mixing has never worked wasn't because of Blacks not wanting to mix, none of us (collectively as America) wanted to mix with them.

Second, as far as crime. Black (and everyone else's) incarceration rates shot up since the '70s. Prison became big business and the building, maintanence and such have been a boon financially to a few groups and corporations. The laws on what is a criminal offense have expanded to feed that industry.
That helps explain not only Black incarceration rates but everyone's. Cops used to give warnings for all kinds of things, even if you were drunk they' let you call someone to pick you up. Now a DUI is as common as anything. Cops have been under pressure in police departments to make arrests and write tickets. No more warnings.

bigverne says different ancestors. That is not accepted by anyone of standing in the scientific community. You can always find someone with an agenda to prove whites are superior to blacks, etc. just like how the Nation of Islam also has its own scientists that say melanin rich peoples are smarter. Both complete and utter bull but you get the point. "Guns, Germs and Steel" read the book. Also, pretty much every continent was once the elite of its day over everyone else. The Chinese at one point were socially superior to everyone. Carthage in Africa were superior to the Romans and centra and northern europeans were living in caves at that time. Subsaharan Africa had the Mali empire. The Greeks at one point. The Romans as well. All this happening while Europeans lived in caves in Germany, northern Europe, etc. Where was the superiority then? Everyone has their time. Western society has theirs now.

Conservative, Thomas Sowell, a black conservative and opposed to affrimative action, etc. a favorite of Fox news so no friend to blacks and liberal groups, has written numerous books on race, etc. Read 'Race and Culture' and 'Ethnic America'.
In it you will find that the children of Black west indian immigrants from jamaica, Barbados, etc. scored much higher on standardized tests consistently above the national average. They lived in the same neighborhoods as American blacks. why the disparity in test scores? There are a few reasons. They came with their families intact. A father, mother, etc.
Second, they came from islands that stressed education as those were former British colonies. Education was stressed in the home. Colin Powell is one example of this group. He grew up in the Bronx of Jamaican parents. I do firmly agree blacks as a collective should do more for themselves. However, I do also agree that there has been a lot of neglect as well.
The chinese analogy that was cited does not take into the fact that they are similar to the west indian groups. its family dynamics. When the war on poverty in the '60s was being researched, Johnson commissioned a group to look at the issue. They came back with findings, one of the things they said was to keep the Black family intact and the poverty rate will go down.
So, what did our government do, they structured social welfare to do the complete opposite. For a woman to get AFDC no male over 18 can be in the home. the aid was structured to the woman and the child with no concern for the family unit or males. The Moynihan report said to keep the unit together. When the inner city riots of the late 60s was happening in Detroit and other places, another commission was asked to investigate as to the reasons.
When they interviewed black males and thought they were going to site racism, etc. for their problems, they were suprised to hear a constant. 'We have no jobs'. The jobs are leaving and we can't feed ourselves or our families. While I agree its not our role to give everyone a job, the factories, etc that have relocated either out of urban centers or overseas has played a huge part in the decline of the inner city.

[geldedgoat]

[Leon]

[TheUrbanMyth]

[Leon]

[TheUrbanMyth]

We already went through this on page 35 of this thread.

The friend is simply not a credible witness