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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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 Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Boffo97 wrote: |
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Then I went to a notary and a state apostille... which I've done for all my Korean visa stuff and never had a problem before. But that may have been the issue. |
You got a state apostille? Like a California or Florida kind of state? You did not get a Federal Department of State apostille? I may be wrong but I thought FBI checks had to be have a federal apostille? I know, I know some states do apostille federal documents. So what may have happened is immigration is looking for the federal verification/apostille, but you only gave a state state department one? Immi official refused it then.
Remember for officials and documents the more things look the norm, the easier things will be. When things look wonky, expect refusals. |
Yeah, California State... which everything else I ever had Apostilled for Korea had. I got it notarized and Apostilled just fine, and sent the scans to several recruiters who requested them, and this was my first hint that this wasn't acceptable.
So unfortunately, I had absolutely no idea that it would look wonky. It's only in hindsight that it's obvious that's what happened. |
Do you still have the CRC? If so why not get it apostilled by a apostille service like http://www.usauthentication.com/index.php.
It might cost some money, but maybe you can save yourself some grief and time. Question is can you remove the California State documents and get it done properly. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Also, please stop saying back years ago when I did such and such it was fine. That is are one move that can be a killer.
Remember things change. ALLLLLL the time. What may have once worked, may not in the future (ie. state CRC checks). What may once have been need, is not needed anymore (ie. transcripts). Yes, look to the past and experience, but look at the present for what is changed or needed now. Expect those curveballs (changes/requirements). |
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
Also, please stop saying back years ago when I did such and such it was fine. That is are one move that can be a killer.
Remember things change. ALLLLLL the time. What may have once worked, may not in the future (ie. state CRC checks). What may once have been need, is not needed anymore (ie. transcripts). Yes, look to the past and experience, but look at the present for what is changed or needed now. Expect those curveballs (changes/requirements). |
I think you misunderstood where I was coming from with that. I have no objection at all to doing things in the new way and I emphasized that to the school. I just made mistakes because I didn't know certain things have changed.
And as to your other question, I have to get a new check anyway because of the name typo issue. So it's best to try to do everything right rather than take another chance of rejection.
So, to sum up, yeah that's good advice, but I already knew. Thanks anyway though. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Boffo97 wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
Also, please stop saying back years ago when I did such and such it was fine. That is are one move that can be a killer.
Remember things change. ALLLLLL the time. What may have once worked, may not in the future (ie. state CRC checks). What may once have been need, is not needed anymore (ie. transcripts). Yes, look to the past and experience, but look at the present for what is changed or needed now. Expect those curveballs (changes/requirements). |
I think you misunderstood where I was coming from with that. I have no objection at all to doing things in the new way and I emphasized that to the school. I just made mistakes because I didn't know certain things have changed.
And as to your other question, I have to get a new check anyway because of the name typo issue. So it's best to try to do everything right rather than take another chance of rejection.
So, to sum up, yeah that's good advice, but I already knew. Thanks anyway though. |
Glad you figured out what the problem was. Most of the time it is something like your situation where a misspelled word can cause you to be rejected. I must say that for all the complaints immigration in Korea receives from disgruntled people wondering if they know their head from their backside, they DO try to make sure people who come into the country are doing so with honest intentions. The system works and the regulations have changed a great deal in regard to foreigners wanting to teach, but I really believe they are trying to safeguard against people who would end up making it much harder for all foreign residents if they were left unchecked when entering the country. IMO |
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Pinehurst
Joined: 14 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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It is my understanding that if the CRC has a signature/seal of a federal official, then you need to send the original without a notary to DC to have the feds give it an apostille. However if the FBI CRC does not have the signature/seal of the FBI official, then you can get it notarized by someone in state and send to the state to get the apostille. Federal Signature = Federal Apostille & State Notary's signature = State Apostille - That is IF the state will even apostille the original CRC most will just apostille the copy of the diploma made by the notary.
It sounds like you had both the FBI signature/seal and notary statement and Signature. What did your notary statement say? On the diploma documents the notary swears that they made a true copy of the original diploma but since Korea wont take a copy of a CRC, I am not sure how the notary statement would work. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to ttompatz. It looks like your advice was correct.
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If I saw someone's FBI CRC with a misspelled name on it, I'd consider it another person's report, forged, and/or applicant is not competent enough to do the job for submitting CRC with misspelled name.
No way I'd submit my CRC with misspelled name on it. |
I assume then you've never missed a one letter typo on anything and will resign your teaching position should you ever make a mistake.
Oh wait, you were just trolling. |
Common sense, bro. When applying for a job, if you had misspelled "NAME" on any official document(s), you need to get it corrected before submitting it.  |
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Boffo97
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Common sense, bro. When applying for a job, if you had misspelled "NAME" on any official document(s), you need to get it corrected before submitting it. |
I made one mistake. I missed something. I'm human.
You've missed something several times: Neither the school nor Immigration even NOTICED the typo. The issue was something else. Maybe had you bothered to read before trolling, you would have seen this. By your own logic, this makes you a terrible poster who should quit the forum.
Now, please. This is supposed to be a forum for professionals. Please go troll somewhere else. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Boffo,
I just wanted to re-iterate what has been pointed out (as someone who has had problems with his CBC for reasons 1 and 2).
1) You have to send a memo with your CBC request that the FBI sign and seal your CBC -- no FBI seal, failed "authenticity" of your CBC. You have to start over. You may have slipped by in the past without it, but this has been the "rule" for at least the last 3 years
2) State apostilles no longer work -- you may have slipped by in the past with a CA apostille (on all your other paperwork), but that was slipping by. No federal apostille, failed "authenticity" on your CBC. You do not have to start over, but you have several more weeks of mailing that thing around...and the 90-day validity clock is ticking....
3) Wrong name or unexpected name? This is a crapshoot -- MAYBE the person will be reasonable, and recognize a typo as no reason to reject the form...or perhaps the person wants to cover his or her arse, and so will not let anything slide.... |
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peachKitten713
Joined: 13 May 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Boffo,
I just wanted to re-iterate what has been pointed out
2) State apostilles no longer work -- you may have slipped by in the past with a CA apostille (on all your other paperwork), but that was slipping by. No federal apostille, failed "authenticity" on your CBC. You do not have to start over, but you have several more weeks of mailing that thing around...and the 90-day validity clock is ticking....
3) Wrong name or unexpected name? This is a crapshoot -- MAYBE the person will be reasonable, and recognize a typo as no reason to reject the form...or perhaps the person wants to cover his or her arse, and so will not let anything slide.... |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:27 am Post subject: |
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3) Wrong name or unexpected name? This is a crapshoot -- MAYBE the person will be reasonable, and recognize a typo as no reason to reject the form...or perhaps the person wants to cover his or her arse, and so will not let anything slide.... |
KI should know that the identity of the person they are looking at is determined by fingerprints. Most likely the OP had his identification checked when he went to have his fingerprints done. Also his identity can be confirmed by his Social Security number which probably was accurate on the CBC.
It would have been nice if KI would have specified why they rejected the CBC. I'll bet they told your prospective job what was wrong and they just didn't care to let you know. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Young_clinton,
...but KI has no way of knowing if the fingerprints on the form and background check are actually YOUR fingerprints -- KI does not fingerprint you at their office and check your fingerprints against the FBI check...I mean, I am thegadfly, and I have a clean CBC, but my buddy, thegradfly has a few minor charges on his CBC...and he's willing to pay a chunk of change for a ten-card from me...then he just needs to explain the missing r as typo....
It'd be a clean CBC, in possession of thegradfly, with the FBI seal and apostilles on it, with only that one minor letter difference...
...so even a slight variation in a name COULD signify a different person....
A typo is certainly more likely, but I could imagine scenarios wherein folks with similar names might try a "work around" for the CBC.
Of course, I would never give anyone my ten-card for any amount of money, and my real name is odd enough that I have never even met a non-family member with my own real last name, but I'm sure John Smith could probably pull it off.... |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Young_clinton,
...but KI has no way of knowing if the fingerprints on the form and background check are actually YOUR fingerprints -- KI does not fingerprint you at their office and check your fingerprints against the FBI check
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Since the FBI uses fingerprints only it makes it impossible to connect the name to the fingerprints, if there is no record. Therefore why would a simple mistake make that much of a difference? |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Young_clinton,
...but KI has no way of knowing if the fingerprints on the form and background check are actually YOUR fingerprints -- KI does not fingerprint you at their office and check your fingerprints against the FBI check
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Since the FBI uses fingerprints only it makes it impossible to connect the name to the fingerprints, if there is no record. Therefore why would a simple mistake make that much of a difference? |
The old workaround --> if you had a record in one state, go to a different state to get your CBC (which would come back clean for that state).
Now, with FBI CBCs, you can't skate by...so a potential new workaround --> find someone with the same name / similar name, get that person's prints on a ten-card, then go through the process as if the clean CBC were your own. Sure, that person enters their SSN, but KI never asks for (or checks) your SSN, so they never notice THAT discrepancy...they never check the PERSON IN THE ROOM's fingerprints against the CBC's prints, so they don't notice THAT discrepancy, and a potential felon gets a teaching job.
My father and I share a first and last name -- we have different middle initials. In theory, I could ask my dad to get printed, then send in his card with his SSN, get it apostilled, then submit it with MY paperwork, and claim that the different middle initial (a single letter, after all) is a typo.
This would not work for ME, since my dad has an assault charge on his record, whilst my record is clean...but you see the problem. It COULD be done, and so a "typo" might not be allowed to slip past...
...so, 99.9% of the time, a single letter difference is just a typo. 0.1% of the time, someone is trying to pull something...and KI is trying to stop that 0.1%, not make things easier for the 99.9%.... |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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I searched "newb" in Facebook. There are thousands of newbs or with similar name. I could hit off on them and ask for their apostlled CRC for a small fee.  |
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