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Leon



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
We already went through this on page 35 of this thread.

The friend is simply not a credible witness

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This is what Crump claimed.

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She is traumatized over this. This was her really, really close personal friend. They were dating...



In fact, she couldn�t even go to his wake she was so sick. Her mother had to take her to the hospital. She spent the night in the hospital.


As the Twitter account shows...they were not dating. She did not spend the night in the hospital. And she was apparently not too traumatized to spend that night Twittering about it and joking about having babies with her real boyfriend.


Zimmerman lied too, yet he is assumed to be 100% credible?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/01/prosecutors-say-zimmerman-hid-second-passport-lied-about-money.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
We already went through this on page 35 of this thread.

The friend is simply not a credible witness

Quote:
This is what Crump claimed.

Quote:
She is traumatized over this. This was her really, really close personal friend. They were dating...



In fact, she couldn�t even go to his wake she was so sick. Her mother had to take her to the hospital. She spent the night in the hospital.


As the Twitter account shows...they were not dating. She did not spend the night in the hospital. And she was apparently not too traumatized to spend that night Twittering about it and joking about having babies with her real boyfriend.


Zimmerman lied too, yet he is assumed to be 100% credible?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/01/prosecutors-say-zimmerman-hid-second-passport-lied-about-money.html


Zimmerman's version of events is backed up by no less than SIX witnesses
Are they all lying too?

I edited my last post and showed 3 links where Martin's friend on the other hand is proven to have lied under oath.

As for the money it seems that his wife lied and not Zimmerman himself...going by that article you linked to. Besides which Zimmerman himself was not under oath at the time...just his wife was.


So on one side we have an admitted and known perjurer
On the other we have six witnesses none of who are known to have lied or be lying.


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Titus



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...I said, crime was a function of poverty and that's what his qualification means.


Here we hit the egalitarian wall.

Why are they poor? How is Leviathan going to make an 80iq population "not poor" in a technologically advanced economy/society/world?



Even if it were the case that other heritable traits were not involved (aggression, level of testosterone, etc) we've already hit the wall. 1/6th have IQ's less than 70 and about 1/6th have IQ's higher than the average European.

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Second, as far as mixing. Lets be completely honest here. as a people Blacks have NEVER been accepted socially collectively in American history.


No kidding.

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Other groups, mainly European immigrants were in the same boat. The Irish ... They had similar or even higher level of crimes as blacks did today.


Absolutely untrue. Find whoever told you that and punch him. These idiotic things Americans liberals believe..

The proper comparison for the NE Irish/Italians would be the Los Angeles Armenians. Insular, loyal to a foreign state (or power), drunk, prolish acting and a ton of organized crime. Nothing what so ever comparable to Africans. Not in the slightest.

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bigverne says different ancestors. That is not accepted by anyone of standing in the scientific community.


No. Titus said it.

http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.htm
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If your heritage is non-African, you are part Neanderthal, according to a new study in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution. Discovery News has been reporting on human/Neanderthal interbreeding for some time now, so this latest research confirms earlier findings.


Different ancestors.

Let me make it worse for you. Non-Africans acquired mathematical intelligence from Neanderthals:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7194/full/453562a.html

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In it you will find that the children of Black west indian immigrants from jamaica, Barbados, etc. scored much higher on standardized tests consistently above the national average.


Because the right side of the bell curve immigrated. Same thing is happening with immigration to America from Africa (less refugees). The right side of the bell curve. Colin Powell is 1) English, Irish, Scottish, Jewish, Indian and African 2) an outlier and 3) from an elite family. Please stare at this for an hour:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/math/immath/gauds.gif

You really need an understanding of statistics. When we speak of a population having xyz in a measurable distribution this does not mean that the entirety of the population has exactly the same characteristics. Yeah?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
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...I said, crime was a function of poverty and that's what his qualification means.


Here we hit the egalitarian wall.

Why are they poor? How is Leviathan going to make an 80iq population "not poor" in a technologically advanced economy/society/world?


The IQ dip is heavily influenced by factors environmental. More importantly, the environment afflicts habits, creates vices. It makes each negative circumstance more difficult and each positive experience more fleeting.

Its the product of poorer neighborhoods. These lead to impoverished school districts (in terms of wealth and peer amibition) and more narrowed perspective. The spectre of crime hangs heavy and produces an aculture and many regressive habits and traits. Effort and focus goes to survival instead of education.

As a result, hatred of the system festers and grows. Resentment and hatred rarely has done good for anyone. Alienation abounds, and despair becomes one's companion.

Are there heritable traits as well? Probably. But how do you set aside the environment entirely?

You honestly cannot.

But you make one good point. The system cannot solve this poverty. This system is so extraordinarily invested in continuing the poverty of the poor and furthering the wealth of the rich, that it could never, ever be realistically expected to meaningfully reverse all the daily evils and injustices it has produced. There's nothing Leviathan can do, but oppress and ignore, in alternate measure. To expect the state to solve this deep gulf is naive in the extreme.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
We already went through this on page 35 of this thread.

The friend is simply not a credible witness

Quote:
This is what Crump claimed.

Quote:
She is traumatized over this. This was her really, really close personal friend. They were dating...



In fact, she couldn�t even go to his wake she was so sick. Her mother had to take her to the hospital. She spent the night in the hospital.


As the Twitter account shows...they were not dating. She did not spend the night in the hospital. And she was apparently not too traumatized to spend that night Twittering about it and joking about having babies with her real boyfriend.


Zimmerman lied too, yet he is assumed to be 100% credible?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/01/prosecutors-say-zimmerman-hid-second-passport-lied-about-money.html


Zimmerman's version of events is backed up by no less than SIX witnesses
Are they all lying too?

I edited my last post and showed 3 links where Martin's friend on the other hand is proven to have lied under oath.

As for the money it seems that his wife lied and not Zimmerman himself...going by that article you linked to. Besides which Zimmerman himself was not under oath at the time...just his wife was.


So on one side we have an admitted and known perjurer
On the other we have six witnesses none of who are known to have lied or be lying.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one saw the initial confrontation, so all we have is the word of two known liars, not much to go on. Again, as I said before, it was the following that started the confrontation, and this is something we knew happened.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
We already went through this on page 35 of this thread.

The friend is simply not a credible witness

Quote:
This is what Crump claimed.

Quote:
She is traumatized over this. This was her really, really close personal friend. They were dating...



In fact, she couldn�t even go to his wake she was so sick. Her mother had to take her to the hospital. She spent the night in the hospital.


As the Twitter account shows...they were not dating. She did not spend the night in the hospital. And she was apparently not too traumatized to spend that night Twittering about it and joking about having babies with her real boyfriend.


Zimmerman lied too, yet he is assumed to be 100% credible?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/01/prosecutors-say-zimmerman-hid-second-passport-lied-about-money.html


Zimmerman's version of events is backed up by no less than SIX witnesses
Are they all lying too?

I edited my last post and showed 3 links where Martin's friend on the other hand is proven to have lied under oath.

As for the money it seems that his wife lied and not Zimmerman himself...going by that article you linked to. Besides which Zimmerman himself was not under oath at the time...just his wife was.


So on one side we have an admitted and known perjurer
On the other we have six witnesses none of who are known to have lied or be lying.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one saw the initial confrontation, so all we have is the word of two known liars, not much to go on. Again, as I said before, it was the following that started the confrontation, and this is something we knew happened.



All we have is the forensic evidence and the story of eyewitnesses who SAW Martin on top of Zimmerman. Since those agree 100% with Zimmerman's story it's a more than reasonable conclusion he is telling the truth.

It's not likely he made up a story in the few seconds between the fight and eyewitnesses coming on the scene now is it? Especially not a story that agrees in EVERY significant particular that we DO know happened.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for Zimmerman lying your article did not say that.


As for the media lying/misrepresenting well that's been proven

At first Trayvon was a "frail teen" Not so he was taller than Zimmerman by quite a bit.


Then Zimmerman was a "hullking 250 pounds". Not so. At the time of the confrontation he was 170 as compared to Martin's 150.


Then there was the tape editing to make Zimmerman look like a racist which eventually ended up costing THREE people their jobs.



There were claims by other media that Zimmerman hunted down the teen despite his voice on the 911 tape saying "Okay" in response to the dispatcher's suggestion that they don't need him to do that.

And then we have claims that he lied about his knowledge of Florida's SYG laws because apparently he took a course years ago and may or may not have been present in class the one day it happened to be covered.

So I'll take that article's claims with a bit of salt thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
We already went through this on page 35 of this thread.

The friend is simply not a credible witness

Quote:
This is what Crump claimed.

Quote:
She is traumatized over this. This was her really, really close personal friend. They were dating...



In fact, she couldn�t even go to his wake she was so sick. Her mother had to take her to the hospital. She spent the night in the hospital.


As the Twitter account shows...they were not dating. She did not spend the night in the hospital. And she was apparently not too traumatized to spend that night Twittering about it and joking about having babies with her real boyfriend.


Zimmerman lied too, yet he is assumed to be 100% credible?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/01/prosecutors-say-zimmerman-hid-second-passport-lied-about-money.html


Zimmerman's version of events is backed up by no less than SIX witnesses
Are they all lying too?

I edited my last post and showed 3 links where Martin's friend on the other hand is proven to have lied under oath.

As for the money it seems that his wife lied and not Zimmerman himself...going by that article you linked to. Besides which Zimmerman himself was not under oath at the time...just his wife was.


So on one side we have an admitted and known perjurer
On the other we have six witnesses none of who are known to have lied or be lying.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one saw the initial confrontation, so all we have is the word of two known liars, not much to go on. Again, as I said before, it was the following that started the confrontation, and this is something we knew happened.



All we have is the forensic evidence and the story of eyewitnesses who SAW Martin on top of Zimmerman. Since those agree 100% with Zimmerman's story it's a more than reasonable conclusion he is telling the truth.

It's not likely he made up a story in the few seconds between the fight and eyewitnesses coming on the scene now is it? Especially not a story that agrees in EVERY significant particular that we DO know happened.


Remember when you "took me to task" for speculation? Anyways like I have told you a few times, it was the following that initiated the conflict, and there isn't any doubt that it occurred. No one wittinesd the actual start of the conflict so any assumption about the honesty of the two conflicting stories isn't so reasonable when both come from liars, and one has a significant interest in not being the one who started the conflict. Even if Zimmerman's story was true he is, in my own personal opinion that isn't related to TUM in any way, morally culpable for his actions. There really isn't any thing left to discuss about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:

The system cannot solve this poverty. This system is so extraordinarily invested in continuing the poverty of the poor and furthering the wealth of the rich, that it could never, ever be realistically expected to meaningfully reverse all the daily evils and injustices it has produced. There's nothing Leviathan can do, but oppress and ignore, in alternate measure. To expect the state to solve this deep gulf is naive in the extreme.


It is worse than that. The system aggressively exploits the divisions to keep us distracted. Not even intellectually distracted, but actually distracted. My HOA had an emergency meeting tonight to calm residents about the potential riots. We'll have extra security etc. Hopefully the jury returns quick and Chantal keeps the kids from burning down my neighborhood. All b/c MSNBCCNNNYTWAPO et al wanted to fire up Barry's base and keep the people from talking about the oligarchy during the last circus.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
I know that Zimmerman started an unnecessary confrontation in which someone died, that's substantiated and uncontradicted.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one saw the initial confrontation, so all we have is the word of two known liars, not much to go on.


So you're aware that Zimmerman's account of the actual confrontation hasn't been contradicted. Your hang-up, and apparently what you use to judge Zimmerman guilty of some moral crime, has to do with him sitting in his car, talking on the phone with a non-emergency operator, and following Martin's movements from a distance. That makes him an aggressor, because he was sitting in his car, watching someone suspicious. Unbelievable.

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There's no record of him approaching any of the suspects from those calls. There's no record of him attacking any of them. There's no record of him doing anything other than reporting suspicious behavior in a neighborhood with a history of break-ins. How do you draw any negative conclusions from that?


Have you ever been detained or questioned by the police? Just because he wouldn't have been the one doing the harassing necessarily doesn't mean that he wasn't harassing people for no reason.


Honestly, I have no idea what your comment has to do with mine (or, for that matter, how anyone can be both harassing and not harassing at the same time). Would you mind restating it?

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There is a difference between legitimate suspicion and calling the police 46 times, especially when looking at the call logs almost all of the calls are clearly frivolous.


Not all the calls were reporting suspicious activity, and, probably much more importantly, a portion of those calls were made on behalf of other neighbors. He was the neighborhood watch captain, remember? People reported suspicious behavior to him, which he then relayed to non-emergency personnel.

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You can listen to some of his calls here, and it pretty much sounds like he calls the police every time he sees a black person.

http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/zimmerman-9-1-1-calls/


Rolling Eyes That is a selection of 15% of his calls. And did you bother listening to them? The first words out of his mouth in nearly every one had to do with the neighborhood's recent break-ins. Again, how does that prove anything negative about his character?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
Leon wrote:
I know that Zimmerman started an unnecessary confrontation in which someone died, that's substantiated and uncontradicted.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one saw the initial confrontation, so all we have is the word of two known liars, not much to go on.


So you're aware that Zimmerman's account of the actual confrontation hasn't been contradicted. Your hang-up, and apparently what you use to judge Zimmerman guilty of some moral crime, has to do with him sitting in his car, talking on the phone with a non-emergency operator, and following Martin's movements from a distance. That makes him an aggressor, because he was sitting in his car, watching someone suspicious. Unbelievable.

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There's no record of him approaching any of the suspects from those calls. There's no record of him attacking any of them. There's no record of him doing anything other than reporting suspicious behavior in a neighborhood with a history of break-ins. How do you draw any negative conclusions from that?


Have you ever been detained or questioned by the police? Just because he wouldn't have been the one doing the harassing necessarily doesn't mean that he wasn't harassing people for no reason.


Honestly, I have no idea what your comment has to do with mine (or, for that matter, how anyone can be both harassing and not harassing at the same time). Would you mind restating it?

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There is a difference between legitimate suspicion and calling the police 46 times, especially when looking at the call logs almost all of the calls are clearly frivolous.


Not all the calls were reporting suspicious activity, and, probably much more importantly, a portion of those calls were made on behalf of other neighbors. He was the neighborhood watch captain, remember? People reported suspicious behavior to him, which he then relayed to non-emergency personnel.

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You can listen to some of his calls here, and it pretty much sounds like he calls the police every time he sees a black person.

http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/zimmerman-9-1-1-calls/


Rolling Eyes That is a selection of 15% of his calls. And did you bother listening to them? The first words out of his mouth in nearly every one had to do with the neighborhood's recent break-ins. Again, how does that prove anything negative about his character?


Calling the police so they will come harass others without significant reasonable suspicion is harassment. Being questioned and detained by the police for no good reason is quite unpleasant.

Like I told TUM it has been conflicted by the friend on the phone, who is the only other living person who would have any idea about what happened at first.

Calling the police was wrong, the basis he used to choose to call was wrong and following was wrong. It was enough for Martin to notice, and become scared or offended.

First words breakin second words suspicious, all black, but no concrete reasons why they were suspicios. Also he became neighborhood watch in 2011 so most of his crazy calls were before that. Again this is my opinion about him and why, you are free to disagree.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are they poor? How is Leviathan going to make an 80iq population "not poor" in a technologically advanced economy/society/world?

They who? ALL races have poor people. Red herring. There are millions of poor whites, who have a far, far less excuse to be poor. 38.4% of Blacks are middle class compared to 43.7% of all households.
You keep trying to paint a 'they' as if all Blacks are. http://blackdemographics.com/households/middle-class/

You have no response other than 'no kidding' to the FACT that Blacks as a collective were never accepted. So, YOUR point about we've never gotten along with Blacks is not their own fault is it? Even law abiding Blacks with middle class and upper middle class incomes have been kept out of white neighborhoods. So, you want to apply eugenics or completely separate from a people that you admit as a people were never accepted and certainly by you, even when many have done no wrong, are upstanding but collectively label them as inferior. If that isn't a textbook racist I don't know what is.

Your response to my statement "Other groups, mainly European immigrants were in the same boat. The Irish ... They had similar or even higher level of crimes as blacks did today."
is "Absolutely untrue. Find whoever told you that and punch him. These idiotic things Americans liberals believe.. " is a FACT. Read 'Ethnic America' as well as other books. Its documented. In fact the term 'Paddy Wagon' for the NYC police wagons of the 1800s was coined specifically because so many of them contained Irish Ameircans.
Its a fact. Saying it doesn't change it. Its a non starter actually. Anyone reading this who has Italian or Irish ancestry is thinking this is complete BS to say that those groups did not have high crime rates in NYC in thier gang heyday and especially the Irish in the 1800s who dominated crime. Expected better out of you on this point.

As far as ancestoral history of mankind. Not even going to read it because ACCEPTED science says we all have one common ancestor. As I said, there are Black groups with their own scientific research tying intelligence to melanin content. BOTH of you guys are saying Bullshyt.
That argument isn't worth discussing. Its a non starter.

Your answer to my statement "In it you will find that the children of Black west indian immigrants from jamaica, Barbados, etc. scored much higher on standardized tests consistently above the national average. " is "Because the right side of the bell curve immigrated. Same thing is happening with immigration to America from Africa (less refugees). The right side of the bell curve. Colin Powell is 1) English, Irish, Scottish, Jewish, Indian and African 2) an outlier and 3) from an elite family."
Complete BS about Black west indian immigrants. The vast majority were poor but from strong family units. Colin Powell like ALL Blacks of North America and the Caribbean have some white blood. Powell was born in HARLEM of Jamaican parents. He has some scottish blood but its not significant enough to even be half white, BOTH his parents were BLACK by ANYONE's definition of Black. Funny thing is Obama is described as Black and he has far, far more white blood that most Blacks. do.


Finally, I will say this. The fact is that the America you want not only will NEVER happen the TREND is the opposite. Interracial marriage and dating have been increasing not decreasing. We are all linked in America. You can wish it away but the trend is the trend. The America you want is over. You know it and that's why you're desparately spouting inaccuracies and latching on to fantasy, junk science. You speak of Blacks as 'they' when just like whites and everyone else there are segments. Blacks aren't some monolithic group anymore than whites are.
The real kicker is you speak of Black crime and such and I guarantee that you and everyone on this thread who is white, who have known Blacks casually or maybe even friendship be it a classmate, teacher, dorm roommate, people who have worked in or lived in our neighborhoods growing up do NOT know the Blacks you portray on here. You are expecting us to beleive as a colective a race that PERSONAL EXPERIENCE has proven otherwise. We may not have liked some, even stayed away from but they were NOT criminals or exhibted the stuff you say on here. If someone has known the odd person its the rare exception.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
We already went through this on page 35 of this thread.

The friend is simply not a credible witness

Quote:
This is what Crump claimed.

Quote:
She is traumatized over this. This was her really, really close personal friend. They were dating...



In fact, she couldn�t even go to his wake she was so sick. Her mother had to take her to the hospital. She spent the night in the hospital.


As the Twitter account shows...they were not dating. She did not spend the night in the hospital. And she was apparently not too traumatized to spend that night Twittering about it and joking about having babies with her real boyfriend.


Zimmerman lied too, yet he is assumed to be 100% credible?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/01/prosecutors-say-zimmerman-hid-second-passport-lied-about-money.html


Zimmerman's version of events is backed up by no less than SIX witnesses
Are they all lying too?

I edited my last post and showed 3 links where Martin's friend on the other hand is proven to have lied under oath.

As for the money it seems that his wife lied and not Zimmerman himself...going by that article you linked to. Besides which Zimmerman himself was not under oath at the time...just his wife was.


So on one side we have an admitted and known perjurer
On the other we have six witnesses none of who are known to have lied or be lying.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one saw the initial confrontation, so all we have is the word of two known liars, not much to go on. Again, as I said before, it was the following that started the confrontation, and this is something we knew happened.



All we have is the forensic evidence and the story of eyewitnesses who SAW Martin on top of Zimmerman. Since those agree 100% with Zimmerman's story it's a more than reasonable conclusion he is telling the truth.

It's not likely he made up a story in the few seconds between the fight and eyewitnesses coming on the scene now is it? Especially not a story that agrees in EVERY significant particular that we DO know happened.


Remember when you "took me to task" for speculation? .


Yes but apparently you don't. The reason I "took you to task" is because you were presenting your speculations as fact. Go back and see.

Nowhere in this post of mine did I present my speculations as fact. Which is why I used qualifiers such as "more than reasonable" and "not likely".

The only things I presented as FACT were actual facts that have been verified by police and witness and the forensic evidence.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:


Like I told TUM it has been conflicted by the friend on the phone, who is the only other living person who would have any idea about what happened at first.



And like I told you it has been proven in court that the friend lied several times about what happened. She even lied about why she didn't attend the funeral of her friend. She said she was in hospital but later it was proven that was a lie.

I even went back and edited my post to provide THREE links about this.

The fact that you are clinging to the words of a known and multiple perjurer says a lot.

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Rachel Jeantel, who was on the phone with Martin just before he was killed, was ripped for telling different stories about the deadly encounter to Martin’s parents; to Parks’ law partner, Benjamin Crump; and to prosecutors.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-trial-prosecution-star-witness-grilled-article-1.1384074#ixzz2Ymslx0K8


So where was she the day of the funeral? According to her Twitter account (which has since been scrubbed) she was (allegedly) joking around and talking about having a baby with her boyfriend.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:


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Other groups, mainly European immigrants were in the same boat. The Irish ... They had similar or even higher level of crimes as blacks did today.


Absolutely untrue. Find whoever told you that and punch him. These idiotic things Americans liberals believe..

The proper comparison for the NE Irish/Italians would be the Los Angeles Armenians. Insular, loyal to a foreign state (or power), drunk, prolish acting and a ton of organized crime. Nothing what so ever comparable to Africans. Not in the slightest.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Points,_Manhattan
Five Points is alleged to have sustained the highest murder rate of any slum in the world. According to New York legend, The Old Brewery, an overcrowded tenement housing 1,000 poor, is said to have had a murder a night for 15 years until its demolition in 1852.[1][2] Many other
sources dispute these figures, describing them as gross exaggerations of actual sustained averages.[citation needed]
Five Points was dominated by rival gangs like the Roach Guards, Dead Rabbits and Bowery Boys. According to Herbert Asbury's book "The Gangs of New York," police arrested 82,072 New Yorkers in 1862, or 10 percent of the city's population.
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