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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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 Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
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| Ye I have been on the subway the bus and people look at me because I have my music loud in my ears, or if Im talking on the phone in the bus, they can look crazy all they want but I will not be conformed to there slave |
*their slave. Boy howdy I hope you're military and not a teacher! Because I will not be conformed to there slave literally makes no grammatical sense.
This post, guys, is a perfect example of why those that do not like our presence here, feel that way.
YOU ARE NOT IN AMERICA NOW. AMERICA IS NOT THE WORLD. WHEN YOU ARE IN OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE THE RESPECT TO FOLLOW THEIR CUSTOMS.
Also numb LEARN TO SPELL before you attempt to spell big words please. For a start, it's 'foreigner' not 'foriegner'... god I hope you're military and not a teacher.
God, the ignorance on display here... |
not to worry, numb aka dumb has been escorted off the premises. |
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Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
Korean apologism at it's best!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again; anyone who uses that term is a known racist on these boards. Nobody else uses it.
And if you think it's 'apologist' to respect and adhere to another countries customs (within reason, like being relatively quiet on the subway, I'm not talking about eating dog here) then that is the height of human ignorance. |
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ippy
Joined: 25 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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People getting up and leaving tables because 'there's too much English being spoken' are not leaving because of the sound of English, or because they're nosey, but because they're completely left out of the conversation. It's basic social politeness to include the people you're sitting with.
I've never met a single person in any country I've lived on who wasn't curious about me, or alternatively wantede to know about them. In the case above thisight have been their one chance to actually communicate with the native teacher and get to know a bit about them, but they probably got frustrated by the lack of thought on the parts of the net and the ket to include him. I know it sounds hippy, but people are interested in what makes us different, whether its for good reasons (learning something new), or moderately bad ones (confirming a prejudice/superiority).
Don't be too quick to dismiss him as a bigoted old ajeossi because he vocalised his irritation. The irritation was Just as easily conventional face saving over his social rejection. Subtext isn't always hard.  |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| ippy wrote: |
Don't be too quick to dismiss him as a bigoted old ajeossi because he vocalised his irritation. The irritation was Just as easily conventional face saving over his social rejection |
Ajosshis vocalize everything though. They're always making some kind of noise, even if its just a grunt.. designed to say "I'm the alpha here. Don't mess with me".
When you're raised as a little prince and mommy and society constantly reaffirms that you are the centre of the universe, then you start demanding that same level of adulation from everyone you come into contact with. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Sparkling Korea. Koreans offended by the sound of Engli |
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So, it's an exam day. I always have lots of classes in the morning and never have the chance to call back home due to the time difference. Anyways, I finally got the time to call back home. Other Koreans are talking and being loud in the teacher's room in Korean. Not a single complaint. But, I speak in English and it's complaint city. Double standard racist BS! Oh, no, someone is speaking in English and we don't like the sound of it. Every other school I've ever gone to, it's never been a problem. They constantly bitch about every stupid thing. I've seen this pattern before. My other schools are fine and welcoming. I call once in a semester, not every day, not everyday, once! As long as you're loud in Korean, go forth!!
Sparkling Korea!!! |
So you were having a phone conversation in a public place.
I can't stand people like you. If you need to talk, go somewhere private. Nobody wants to listen to your conversation.
You're probably one of those loud talkers too. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
Korean apologism at it's best!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again; anyone who uses that term is a known racist on these boards. Nobody else uses it. |
Hope you're kidding here 
That's total B.S. and quite a blanket statement as well. The two concepts are completely separate from each other.
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And if you think it's 'apologist' to respect and adhere to another countries customs (within reason, like being relatively quiet on the subway, I'm not talking about eating dog here) then that is the height of human ignorance. |
Your description of the term is ignorant.
'Apologist' in this context usually refers to ignoring or giving a free pass to certain behaviors, usually bad ones.
If you're going to condemn the term, at least get it right.
Actually 'basher' is worse, especially in terms of accuracy. Often, nobody is bashing anything except the behavior in question.
Funny too that you then go on to say that at least in the case of Koreans eating dogs, we can then ignore your guidelines you've set for everyone else.
You 'basher' you! Let them eat dogs! What are you, a racist?
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Actually 'basher' is worse, especially in terms of accuracy. Often, nobody is bashing anything except the behavior in question.
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This is the worst attempted use of logic I have ever seen. "Basher" is worse because no-one bashes anything! (oh, except the behavior). And of course, apologists are well-known for apologizing......oh, wait.
Seriously, this is an argument you are happy with? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, the use of the terms "basher" and "apologist" are used in an attempt to shut down debate by automatically painting people who disagree with you with a pejorative term. When they are used in the first post of a thread, they indicate a poster with absolutely no desire to debate whatever issue they are pretending to raise, one who just wants to get attention for yet another tired "Hey look at me, I have opinions" rant. |
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fezmond
Joined: 27 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Waygeek wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
Korean apologism at it's best!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again; anyone who uses that term is a known racist on these boards. Nobody else uses it.
And if you think it's 'apologist' to respect and adhere to another countries customs (within reason, like being relatively quiet on the subway, I'm not talking about eating dog here) then that is the height of human ignorance. |
No offence, but if you're going to moan about someone not spelling or using grammar properly... |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
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Actually 'basher' is worse, especially in terms of accuracy. Often, nobody is bashing anything except the behavior in question.
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This is the worst attempted use of logic I have ever seen. "Basher" is worse because no-one bashes anything! (oh, except the behavior). And of course, apologists are well-known for apologizing......oh, wait.
Seriously, this is an argument you are happy with? |
Seriously, trans. Yes. I'm so "happy" with it.
You may disagree, but how is it "illogical"?
I don't see you offering any solid refutation or anything of value here.
Seriously, is your argument something you are happy with? Seems not much more than a whine to me.
If you think the terms mean something different, then by all means share.
The guy basically said anyone who uses the term apologist, is a racist. An idiotic statement. If you share that sentiment and want to defend that point of view, go right ahead. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
| Anyway, the use of the terms "basher" and "apologist" are used in an attempt to shut down debate by automatically painting people who disagree with you with a pejorative term. When they are used in the first post of a thread, they indicate a poster with absolutely no desire to debate whatever issue they are pretending to raise, ... |
Then why does the debate go on time and time again? I agree they can be pejorative and potentially debate stiflers, but are also descriptive of a general point of view. Limiting the terms entirely is also stifling, or likening or linking the use of the term to racism is beyond ridiculous. As to why that is, is a whole different debate.
If you don't want to use the terms, don't use them. I for one, will keep using them if I feel the need to, and it doesn't really bother me when other people use them either. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| transmogrifier wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
Actually 'basher' is worse, especially in terms of accuracy. Often, nobody is bashing anything except the behavior in question.
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This is the worst attempted use of logic I have ever seen. "Basher" is worse because no-one bashes anything! (oh, except the behavior). And of course, apologists are well-known for apologizing......oh, wait.
Seriously, this is an argument you are happy with? |
Seriously, trans. Yes. I'm so "happy" with it.
You may disagree, but how is it "illogical"?
I don't see you offering any solid refutation or anything of value here.
Seriously, is your argument something you are happy with? Seems not much more than a whine to me.
If you think the terms mean something different, then by all means share.
The guy basically said anyone who uses the term apologist, is a racist. An idiotic statement. If you share that sentiment and want to defend that point of view, go right ahead. |
I'm talking about your claim that "basher" is a less accurate description than "apologist", when IN THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE you explicitly state something that the bashers actually bash (the behavior).
But do apologists actually apologize? We have to ask this question because your logical premise is that "basher" is inaccurate because bashers don't bash (oh, except for behaviour).
The thing is, apologists DON'T apologize for anyone's behaviour. To apologize would be to admit that something is wrong. But isn't the whole point of labeling someone an apologist is to mark out their inability to ever see the bad side of something. So, semantically, the term apologist does not relate to the behaviour of the people to whom the term is applied.
Now, I realise that "apologist" is a common term outside of these boards, and I understand its use in wider contexts. But you were the one making a semantic argument regarding the inaccuracy of "basher" and it makes absolutely no sense. At all.
So I wasn't referring to whatever that poster had to say. I was referring to only that specific use of logic that I quoted. Please don't imply that my post was tacit support for someone else's claim when I made absolutely no reference to it at all. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The basis of the problem is that so many foreigners here are in the minority for the first time, that they literally do not know how to handle it. It is freaking them out. |
Yep - but that is the fault of the shockingly low requirements for E2 visas. Bringing over boatloads of fresh graduates, with zero work experience and certainly zero life experience, who've been raised with a liberal-PC agenda and sticking them into Seoul would be almost comedy - if it weren't so embarrassing. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
| The basis of the problem is that so many foreigners here are in the minority for the first time, that they literally do not know how to handle it. It is freaking them out. |
Yep - but that is the fault of the shockingly low requirements for E2 visas. Bringing over boatloads of fresh graduates, with zero work experience and certainly zero life experience, who've been raised with a liberal-PC agenda and sticking them into Seoul would be almost comedy - if it weren't so embarrassing. |
Both of you have good points actually!
The problem you discuss is indeed two pronged.
This will only get more interesting with time as the younger generation will clash with the older (in a limited manner due to high turn over of Fts in Korea).
Lots of businesses have these issues in western countries too where the younger generation comes with a pretty different mindset (nothing quite new there).
This certainly will happen with expats put under the pressure of culture shock, a new job they never did before and adapting to all this change. Conversely, one would assume younger people could adapt more easily and be more mentally flexible but in many cases the opposite seems to occur when abroad. That is kind of natural when facing the unknown and the never seen or experienced. |
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LeaforKorea
Joined: 29 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
When you're raised as a little prince and mommy and society constantly reaffirms that you are the centre of the universe, then you start demanding that same level of adulation from everyone you come into contact with. |
That's exactly how I would describe the majority of Americans born after the late 60's.
Seriously, the arrogance and insensitivity of some of these posters on here is just shocking. 
I'm with Waygeek, even though saying so will probably call down a storm of ignorant and hateful posts on my head.
Oh well.  |
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