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some waygug-in
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| Then how about all non-profit or charitable organizations too? |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:52 am Post subject: |
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The thing is, not all churches are non-profit. Some have deep pockets. Take Scientology for example.
I would really like to know why churches shouldn't have to pay taxes. What makes them special? Do they at least pay property taxes? If not, why not? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
The thing is, not all churches are non-profit. Some have deep pockets. Take Scientology for example.
I would really like to know why churches shouldn't have to pay taxes. What makes them special? Do they at least pay property taxes? If not, why not? |
Well that may be so, I am not opposed to the idea in principle,
I do however have a problem with saying churches should pay tax
when corporations are allowed to defer all their taxes indefinitely.
Churches are a drop in the bucket in the overall grand scheme of things.
How about nixing all tax-deductable donations? (be they political, charitable, religious or otherwise) |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Should we scrutinize churches and charities more to make sure they aren't behaving as for-profit institutions, tax havens, and fundraisers for individual candidates? Yes, absolutely. Organizations like Joel Osteen's would be obvious targets. But to tax all churches indiscriminately? I suppose if you're a vehement anti-theist, that idea might actually sound good.  |
Why shouldn't they be taxed? (Honest question, not being argumentative)
Do churches pay property taxes? If not, why not? |
No non-profits pay property taxes as far as I'm aware, and I wouldn't think it necessary to outline the benefits of encouraging centers for charity and morality (which is not limited to churches).
Note: I included my original statement and added one line I meant to include. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Better idea:
Remove the "religious institution" qualification for 503(c) and treat them like all non-profits. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: |
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If you want to save tax dollars, there are better places to start looking:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/29/health/rehab-racket-siu-cir-part-one/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Drug Medi-Cal paid out $94 million in the past two fiscal years to 56 clinics in Southern California that have shown signs of deception or questionable billing practices, representing half of all public funding to the program, CIR and CNN found. Over the past six years, more than half a billion dollars have poured into the program statewide. |
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World Traveler
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009
Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Keep churches out of my country! |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:19 am Post subject: |
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News Flash: Taxing churches makes better Christian communities  |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:25 am Post subject: Re: How the U.S. can reduce the debt by $71 billion per year |
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Isn't tax avoidance a crime for the rest of us? |
No.
"Tax avoidance" means the use of legal means to lower your tax liability. When you take a deduction for each of your children or a home interest deduction, this is legal. If a woman plans her C-section for Dec 31 to deliver her baby in 2013 instead of Jan 1 in 2014 and gains an additional tax deduction for 2013, this is legal tax avoidance.
"Tax evasion" is the use of illegal means to lower your tax liability, for instance, if you take a deduction for your cat. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| The answer is simple. Make all US residents living and working abroad report their foriegn bank accounts (no matter how meager) while pressuring foriegn banks to comply. Oh wait. And then revoke the $96,000 initial foreign income exclusion. That will certainly create enough revenue to balance the budget. |
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No_hite_pls
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Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| The answer is simple. Make all US residents living and working abroad report their foriegn bank accounts (no matter how meager) while pressuring foriegn banks to comply. Oh wait. And then revoke the $96,000 initial foreign income exclusion. That will certainly create enough revenue to balance the budget. |
I'll bite. Why should you pay taxes in country you don't live in and can't use any of the services that the taxes are suppose to cover? Besides, why should people pay taxes to more than one country? I pay taxes to Korea should I pay taxes to the US too? |
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radcon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| The answer is simple. Make all US residents living and working abroad report their foriegn bank accounts (no matter how meager) while pressuring foriegn banks to comply. Oh wait. And then revoke the $96,000 initial foreign income exclusion. That will certainly create enough revenue to balance the budget. |
I'll bite. Why should you pay taxes in country you don't live in and can't use any of the services that the taxes are suppose to cover? Besides, why should people pay taxes to more than one country? I pay taxes to Korea should I pay taxes to the US too? |
Sorry, my sarcasm didn't come through. US citizens are now supposed to report foreign bank accounts over $10,000. FBAR regulations.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/06/25/will-irs-find-your-small-foreign-bank-account/
That article is scary. This is some major BS. Right now the US govt says that yes you should pay taxes to Korea and the US if it's over $96,000. There have been grumblings of them taking away that $96,000 threshold and taxing all foreign income. US govt can go to hell. I'll keep all of my money in my mattress and report 0 income before I pay them a dime. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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