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Some states will apostille an FBI check?

 
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ampersandman



Joined: 01 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:01 pm    Post subject: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

Is there any truth in this? Heard it from a recruiter. In some states, the state-level Secretary of State is able to apostille a federal document such as an FBI criminal background check, they said. Even if this is true, will the cbc then be accepted by Korean immigration? Thanks.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

ampersandman wrote:
Is there any truth in this? Heard it from a recruiter. In some states, the state-level Secretary of State is able to apostille a federal document such as an FBI criminal background check, they said. Even if this is true, will the cbc then be accepted by Korean immigration? Thanks.


Some states will, others will not.

Immigration may or may not accept it. They have been known to reject them and some have passed through.

Are you willing to take that chance? If it is rejected by immigration then you get to start again.

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ampersandman



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
ampersandman wrote:
Is there any truth in this? Heard it from a recruiter. In some states, the state-level Secretary of State is able to apostille a federal document such as an FBI criminal background check, they said. Even if this is true, will the cbc then be accepted by Korean immigration? Thanks.


Some states will, others will not.

Immigration may or may not accept it. They have been known to reject them and some have passed through.

Are you willing to take that chance? If it is rejected by immigration then you get to start again.

.


Er, I think I'll pass on that option then, thanks.

Too bad the Korean govt. doesn't have an English-language website with all their visa rules and procedures written out plainly in black and white, consistently up to date.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

ampersandman wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
ampersandman wrote:
Is there any truth in this? Heard it from a recruiter. In some states, the state-level Secretary of State is able to apostille a federal document such as an FBI criminal background check, they said. Even if this is true, will the cbc then be accepted by Korean immigration? Thanks.


Some states will, others will not.

Immigration may or may not accept it. They have been known to reject them and some have passed through.

Are you willing to take that chance? If it is rejected by immigration then you get to start again.

.


Er, I think I'll pass on that option then, thanks.

Too bad the Korean govt. doesn't have an English-language website with all their visa rules and procedures written out plainly in black and white, consistently up to date.


The issue isn't Korean immigration but the inconsistencies of the US system (51 flavors - one for each state + the Feds in DC.).

The other 6 countries don't have these issues.

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Skippy



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Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

ampersandman wrote:


Too bad the Korean govt. doesn't have an English-language website with all their visa rules and procedures written out plainly in black and white, consistently up to date.


Well blow me down .... looks like they do.

http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=2&parentId=382&catSeq=385&showMenuId=374&visaId=E2
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- The records must be affixed with the relevant nation's Apostille.
※ According to the Korean immigration law a criminal background check from the Korean Ambassador of your country will not be accepted.


Hmm, the words relevant nations apostille, no mention of state or province.

Hmm, plus there is the immigration hotline. The number is only 4 numbers 1345. True they can sometimes give differing answers, but I would be they will say National level apostille more often then state.

Plus you got so good info from ttmopatz. The resident expert on Korea immigration and other various policies.
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ampersandman



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:
ampersandman wrote:


Too bad the Korean govt. doesn't have an English-language website with all their visa rules and procedures written out plainly in black and white, consistently up to date.


Well blow me down .... looks like they do.

http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=2&


Thanks but, it's a stretch to say that webpage is written in English...
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

ampersandman wrote:
Thanks but, it's a stretch to say that webpage is written in English...


You mean it's not written in American.

The big, wide world isn't like home there Toto. You're headed over the rainbow and that's going to be the least of your issues should you cross the pond and make it to Asia.

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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:


You mean it's not written in American.

The big, wide world isn't like home there Toto. You're headed over the rainbow and that's going to be the least of your issues should you cross the pond and make it to Asia.

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That applies to Canada, the UK, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa as well.
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ampersandman



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
ampersandman wrote:
Thanks but, it's a stretch to say that webpage is written in English...


You mean it's not written in American.

The big, wide world isn't like home there Toto. You're headed over the rainbow and that's going to be the least of your issues should you cross the pond and make it to Asia.

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Oh I just meant it's poorly written.

I'm used to this sort of thing. I'm in the States now but I've lived most of the past decade living overseas, so no need to condescend. My last comment was written humorously, not in complaint.

(Though having worked in Korea before, I'd say that official vagueness and linguistic confusion are not necessarily *the least* of a foreigner's concerns. Just my experience and opinion though.)
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jphill9990



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am currently waiting to see if mine is accepted, my recruiter on the ENglish or Korean side didn't have a problem with it. An apostille is an apostille and should be upheld. It should be noted I had an affadavit apostilled and not the actual check. http://www.epik.kr/ says your state's secretary of state is acceptable on it's website. Go to required documents and you will see it. I hope it's not a porblem for me, I have amuch later start date, so if it gets rejected I should have enough time to go the other route...I pray it isn't though. You should just ask it for it on a national level though, there is no way it would be rejected then.
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Skippy



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: Some states will apostille an FBI check? Reply with quote

ampersandman wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
ampersandman wrote:
Thanks but, it's a stretch to say that webpage is written in English...


You mean it's not written in American.

The big, wide world isn't like home there Toto. You're headed over the rainbow and that's going to be the least of your issues should you cross the pond and make it to Asia.

.


Oh I just meant it's poorly written.

I'm used to this sort of thing. I'm in the States now but I've lived most of the past decade living overseas, so no need to condescend. My last comment was written humorously, not in complaint.

(Though having worked in Korea before, I'd say that official vagueness and linguistic confusion are not necessarily *the least* of a foreigner's concerns. Just my experience and opinion though.)


If you are concerned about time and/or difficulty, then spend the money and use a service.
http://www.usauthentication.com/
http://www.apostilla.com
http://www.apostillepros.com/

Days/Week versus weeks with going directly with Federal state department.

Good Luck.
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korea.teacher



Joined: 04 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SOC for my state, Virginia, told me last month that it could apostille my documents but rejected my cbc check when I visited because I had it notarized, saying it was no longer valid and that I would need a new background check. (I was told over the phone to have my cbc notarized but in-person I was told a downloadable form should be attached with notarization, that the actual document should not be notarized).

Luckily, I didn't give up and contacted the U.S. State Department's Office of Authentications. I spoke to the manager for the office who stated that individual states are no longer permitted to apostille federal documents. She planned to contact my state's SOC to update them.

I visited the U.S. State Department in person and they apostilled my cbc. I then had to take my diploma copy to another office in D.C. to have that apostilled, but together got both done within 2 hours.(the diploma copy can be done at your state SOC).
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wannabTeach



Joined: 09 Jul 2013
Location: NORFOLK VA

PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks because i was gonna go thru my SoS here in VA but sfter reading ur comments, i'll go to DC & hav the FEDs do it for me.
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jphill9990



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI, my documents were approved, both were state level apostilles. CBC had an affadavit that was apostilled, so i guess that is different. None the less, it is a hagwon job and I am good to go with state level checks. If you can, just do federal and save yourself the worries.
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