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ETA
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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 Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:35 am Post subject: Public $chool Engli$h Camp$ |
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Anyone have any idea how much the Korean public schools charge parents to send their kids to the English camps that native speakers have to work at 5 weeks of the year?
Seems like the public schools which rent out classrooms to hagwons after morning classes and then run English cla$$e$ are making a pretty penny off the work of NSET's. Obviously the camps are in the work contracts, just curious how much the schools are profiting off native speakers.
The concept of public school non-profit education is long gone. |
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cheolsu
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:47 am Post subject: |
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It's openly advertised on school websites. It's free or next to free. The one I taught was free.
Private schools (not hagwons) can charge as much as hagwons, but then they're delivering the same service as a hagwon. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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The English camps during school vacations used to be paid for the NETs, and NETs made quite a bit of money. Now they are unpaid. Some NETs are doing camps for 12 hours a day (9am to 9pm). It is insane and a way heavier workload than the normal school year. Public school contracts changed for the worse and keep getting worse and worse each year.
| cheolsu wrote: |
| It's openly advertised on school websites. It's free or next to free. The one I taught was free. |
If that is true, I am surprised schools spend time and effort to set up camps. How does it benefit the school? (Maybe by raising their reputation/ranking/English test scores?) Also, this could explain why hagwons have been losing so many students lately. |
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cheolsu
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| If that is true, I am surprised schools spend time and effort to set up camps. How does it benefit the school? (Maybe by raising their reputation/ranking/English test scores?) Also, this could explain why hagwons have been losing so many students lately. |
Why do schools provide English camps if they're free? The obvious answer would be that schools are public instutitions in the business of providing education for free or next to free. The cynical answer would be that doing so looks good for department heads, vice-principals, principals, district supervisors, and so on.
"If that is true"? Seriously. Pick a school. If they're having a camp, the information is probably on their website. You might not be able to see the exact information or prices if you're not a parent of a student, but if you try ten schools that have camps, I imagine you'll be able to see information for 5-7 of them (via .hwp file, in Korean, of course). |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Public $chool Engli$h Camp$ |
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| ETA wrote: |
Anyone have any idea how much the Korean public schools charge parents to send their kids to the English camps that native speakers have to work at 5 weeks of the year?
Seems like the public schools which rent out classrooms to hagwons after morning classes and then run English cla$$e$ are making a pretty penny off the work of NSET's. Obviously the camps are in the work contracts, just curious how much the schools are profiting off native speakers.
The concept of public school non-profit education is long gone. |
Camps are free. Well, they've been free at the last 3 public schools I worked at.
Afterschool classes are sometimes free, or sometimes students pay W30,000 (for a session of 20 classes). In the case of my school, this money was paid to the native teacher (me) at the end of the semester. It usually works out to the same money as if they used the standard overtime rate of W20,000.
Sorry, no big scam to line the pockets of the principal from the sweat of the native speaker's brow.
The real answer is more like "We have him, he's supposed to be here, and it costs us nothing to have a summer camp, what's the downside?" And for them, there is no downside. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do Korean teachers get paid extra for supplementary classes/camps during the summer vacation but native English teachers do not? Korean teachers can make a nice chuck of change teaching afterschool classes/classes during the summer time. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Why do Korean teachers get paid extra for supplementary classes/camps during the summer vacation but native English teachers do not? Korean teachers can make a nice chuck of change teaching afterschool classes/classes during the summer time. |
It used to be the other way around where NETs got paid extra and K-teacher nothing. Over the years, K-teachers & their union protested and got their way. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| newb wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| Why do Korean teachers get paid extra for supplementary classes/camps during the summer vacation but native English teachers do not? Korean teachers can make a nice chuck of change teaching afterschool classes/classes during the summer time. |
It used to be the other way around where NETs got paid extra and K-teacher nothing. Over the years, K-teachers & their union protested and got their way. |
K-teachers are pressured to work during their vacation time. They arent paid a lot extra. Most would rather not be there. The teachers at my school this summer will only get a one-week break before fall semester starts. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Public schools provide camps (not just English but others too like dance and choir etc) free of charge because there are poor students who can't afford to go to fancy expensive trips must have their summer camp, too.
One side effect of all the hagwon classes taken students is that, poor students who can't afford hagwons don't have after school play-friends, because their school friends are all at hagwons. They are lonely.
This week at music hagwon that I go to, is all of a sudden packed. Why? it's school holiday and friends are hanging out at music hagwon. Jesus Christ! they need to get a life.  |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:42 am Post subject: |
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My public middle school puts on a range of summer courses. Academic, both remedial & advanced. Recreational classes like badminton, guitar, cooking, UCC, & half a dozen others. All totally free to the students, in fact the kids are lavished almost daily with free snacks, ice cream, pizza, stationery supplies, or books.
My school is in a disadvantaged rural area. A lot of kids from broken homes. Its heartwarming to see how happy they are to have somewhere friendly, safe, useful, & free to go to during their vacation. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| A couple of years ago my JLP contract involved a 20 hour maximum for summer/winter camp classes, now that maximum has been removed and I'm teaching every single day of the summer that I'm not on holiday. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Me too. I'm teaching every single day, but with more teaching contact hours than the normal school year. It is nuts. I am working much harder than the Korean teachers. >_<) |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| newb wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| Why do Korean teachers get paid extra for supplementary classes/camps during the summer vacation but native English teachers do not? Korean teachers can make a nice chuck of change teaching afterschool classes/classes during the summer time. |
It used to be the other way around where NETs got paid extra and K-teacher nothing. Over the years, K-teachers & their union protested and got their way. |
K-teachers are pressured to work during their vacation time. They arent paid a lot extra. Most would rather not be there. The teachers at my school this summer will only get a one-week break before fall semester starts. |
I saw my schools camp budget. 4 teachers will be working; myself, 2 contract English teachers, and one regular English teacher. The regular English teacher will get 20K per hour, while the rest get 0. (She won't actually teach, just supervise). For the 5 days, she'll get 400K. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Me too. I'm teaching every single day, but with more teaching contact hours than the normal school year. It is nuts. I am working much harder than the Korean teachers. >_<) |
Depressing, isn't it? I'd take regular classes over camp classes any day, yet I still have the ingrained sense that school vacation is a good thing, and always get a twinge of happy anticipation when I think of the school holiday before remembering that I actually prefer the middle of a semester. A moment of surging joy instantly followed by crushing disappointment |
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I-am-me
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| I'm teaching 18 hrs a week for 3 weeks. They say its "camp", but it really isnt. No one even asked if I needed any supplies. I dont even have an attendance sheet. Should be fun after only 5 days of vacation and nothing planned. Teachers are off a whole 4 weeks though. Nice for them. |
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