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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Weigookin74 wrote: |
thebearofbundang wrote: |
I personally find the fact that Korean's care about their appearance as a great thing. I wish more people in my country took care of themselves and cared about their physical appearance more. I'm not talking about plastic surgery, but wearing nice clothing, women wearing makeup and not letting themselves become obese.
Also, if you look around Korea, it's not hard to see that schools have zero problem hiring fat foreigners, or slobs. They are everywhere.
Also, I have a 2 year old son. I speak Korean fluently, and no one has ever told me, my wife or my son that he has 'impure blood' or that she is a traitor... And certainly not 'many citizens' say this lol.. That's funny..
I know there are racists in Korea. Just like there are in every country in the world. We have had one incident involving the fact that my child is multi-ethic.. And guess what? It wasn't in Korea... |
I'm happy for you. But, one of my friends lived in this small country town and spoke a fair bit of Korean. He'd walk around with his son and he'd hear ajossis going off about the boy being half animal. I've experienced girls I've had coffee with being told off by ajossis and called hookers, whores, race traitors, etc. I'm glad life is peachy for you but don't assume everyone has had the same experience. There have been good folks on Korea, but a lot of racist d bags too. Though, things have been better here the last couple of years. |
My opinion on this is who cares what farmers think?
The only racist Korean I care about is my gf's father, because his opinion affects my relationship.
An older guy started lecturing my gf on the subway the other day and we both just laughed. Why get worked up about someone who hasn't read a book in twenty years? Whose sum accumulation of work and knowledge for his sixty year life is the beggar cardboard collecting bicycle cart he pushes around? My response is 'Give me a reason why I should care about what you have to say.'
YOu choose the people you work and associate with for most of your time, so even if a country is 95% ignorant it doesn't mean your life has to be filled with it. Your social micro-environment matters much more than your social macro-environment, except politically. |
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byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:04 am Post subject: |
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cam83 wrote: |
Being ‘racist’ means that your behavior or attitude towards people will favor an outcome that privileges white people; that privileges a white supremacist value system.
If a Black person were ‘racist’ towards a white person or white people, their actions would help to create more favorable outcomes for white people than non-white people. For example, to be ‘racist’ towards a white person who is is being interviewed for a job by a black person, this would mean that the black person would desire to hire this White candidate because they are white; because they fundamentally believe in the white supremacist notion that White people are superior to non-white candidates.
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Oh my, I don't even know where to begin with this. I'll just say that is one of the most bizarre takes on racism that I've ever heard. Do you really believe what came out of your mouth? |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:42 am Post subject: |
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byrddogs wrote: |
cam83 wrote: |
Being ‘racist’ means that your behavior or attitude towards people will favor an outcome that privileges white people; that privileges a white supremacist value system.
If a Black person were ‘racist’ towards a white person or white people, their actions would help to create more favorable outcomes for white people than non-white people. For example, to be ‘racist’ towards a white person who is is being interviewed for a job by a black person, this would mean that the black person would desire to hire this White candidate because they are white; because they fundamentally believe in the white supremacist notion that White people are superior to non-white candidates.
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Oh my, I don't even know where to begin with this. I'll just say that is one of the most bizarre takes on racism that I've ever heard. Do you really believe what came out of your mouth? |
Well please feel free to express what you believe racism is. I am all for people having varied opinions providing you have knowledge of it's history and how it is implemented into western society. I am actually interested to know why you think that racism isn't based on a white supremacist system. I'm sure how many 'takes' you have heard or read about on the subject but for you to call my take bizarre, I look forward to hearing what you have say. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:52 am Post subject: |
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cam83 wrote: |
byrddogs wrote: |
cam83 wrote: |
Being ‘racist’ means that your behavior or attitude towards people will favor an outcome that privileges white people; that privileges a white supremacist value system.
If a Black person were ‘racist’ towards a white person or white people, their actions would help to create more favorable outcomes for white people than non-white people. For example, to be ‘racist’ towards a white person who is is being interviewed for a job by a black person, this would mean that the black person would desire to hire this White candidate because they are white; because they fundamentally believe in the white supremacist notion that White people are superior to non-white candidates.
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Oh my, I don't even know where to begin with this. I'll just say that is one of the most bizarre takes on racism that I've ever heard. Do you really believe what came out of your mouth? |
Well please feel free to express what you believe racism is. I am all for people having varied opinions providing you have knowledge of it's history and how it is implemented into western society. I am actually interested to know why you think that racism isn't based on a white supremacist system. I'm sure how many 'takes' you have heard or read about on the subject but for you to call my take bizarre, I look forward to hearing what you have say. |
To be clear, are you saying that an Asian could not be racist to an African? (for example, taking "white" out of the equation) |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
cam83 wrote: |
byrddogs wrote: |
cam83 wrote: |
Being ‘racist’ means that your behavior or attitude towards people will favor an outcome that privileges white people; that privileges a white supremacist value system.
If a Black person were ‘racist’ towards a white person or white people, their actions would help to create more favorable outcomes for white people than non-white people. For example, to be ‘racist’ towards a white person who is is being interviewed for a job by a black person, this would mean that the black person would desire to hire this White candidate because they are white; because they fundamentally believe in the white supremacist notion that White people are superior to non-white candidates.
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Oh my, I don't even know where to begin with this. I'll just say that is one of the most bizarre takes on racism that I've ever heard. Do you really believe what came out of your mouth? |
Well please feel free to express what you believe racism is. I am all for people having varied opinions providing you have knowledge of it's history and how it is implemented into western society. I am actually interested to know why you think that racism isn't based on a white supremacist system. I'm sure how many 'takes' you have heard or read about on the subject but for you to call my take bizarre, I look forward to hearing what you have say. |
To be clear, are you saying that an Asian could not be racist to an African? (for example, taking "white" out of the equation) |
No not at all, you are partially correct in your previous post because I worded my definition purely in a white context... so I guess as it stands, only works in a western society. A white/African person in Korea is a minority, so could indeed be abused due to racism. The key is that the victim has to be minority but also that the Korean in question's behavior or attitude will favor an outcome that privileges Korean racialised people.
I actually find that most Koreans who do discriminate, do so based on prejudice (mostly from what they have seen in the media or are taught from a young age). But as we all know, being prejudice and being racist are totally different things. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Thank goodness I can speak fluent Korean, so I can convince Koreans to feel bad about themselves. They're over-prideful people anyways. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Awww, Cam, I was with you through so much of what you have been saying, but this is the way you define the term? Shucks....
Of course, just because you and I don't agree doesn't make you wrong (yet) or me wrong (yet). For other folks:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/488187/racism
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/racism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Personally, I subscribe to the Encyclopaedia Britanica's initial definition of racism:
racism, also called racialism , any action, practice, or belief that reflects the racial worldview—the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races," that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral features, and that some races are innately superior to others.
...but as Wikipedia notes (original source in footnotes) :
The exact definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about the meaning of the concept "race", and because there is also little agreement about what does and doesn't constitute discrimination. Critics argue that the term is applied differentially, with a focus on such prejudices by whites, and defining mere observations of racial differences as racism. (4)
Scholars still argue, and people who would be in moral agreement are suddenly divided and somewhat adversarial toward each others' views.
Cam, according to your view, an example of racism would be a black man that interviews another black man (in the US), but then chooses to give the job to a less-qualified white candidate, based solely on the idea that the white person is superior to the black, or that the black person is inferior to the white?
On the other hand, a black man that interviews another black man (in the US), but then chooses to give the job to a less-qualified Japanese candidate, based solely on the idea that the Japanese person is superior to the black, or that the black person is inferior to the Japanese person is not racism, according to your views? That, according to your view of racism, the second event would need to occur in Japan in order for it to be racism, and if it happened in the US, it would not be racism?
If I understood you correctly, the latter example is not racism in your view (while it is still racism in my view). Would we agree that the latter scenario is the result of unfair biases and prejudices, and that it would be wrong? That that kind of thinking ought to be abolished? If not racism, what is the term you would use for the latter behavior?
Earlier, I thought you, Captain, and I came down on the same side of this thing, but now we may be reduced to squabbling amongst ourselves over the definition of a practice I think we all agree is wrong...and I find that sadly counterproductive.... |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:47 am Post subject: |
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NohopeSeriously wrote: |
Thank goodness I can speak fluent Korean, so I can convince Koreans to feel bad about themselves. They're over-prideful people anyways. |
You didn't learn Korean just to do that did you? |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:54 am Post subject: |
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thegadfly wrote: |
Awww, Cam, I was with you through so much of what you have been saying, but this is the way you define the term? Shucks....
Of course, just because you and I don't agree doesn't make you wrong (yet) or me wrong (yet). For other folks:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/488187/racism
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/racism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Personally, I subscribe to the Encyclopaedia Britanica's initial definition of racism:
racism, also called racialism , any action, practice, or belief that reflects the racial worldview—the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races," that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral features, and that some races are innately superior to others.
...but as Wikipedia notes (original source in footnotes) :
The exact definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about the meaning of the concept "race", and because there is also little agreement about what does and doesn't constitute discrimination. Critics argue that the term is applied differentially, with a focus on such prejudices by whites, and defining mere observations of racial differences as racism. (4)
Scholars still argue, and people who would be in moral agreement are suddenly divided and somewhat adversarial toward each others' views.
Cam, according to your view, an example of racism would be a black man that interviews another black man (in the US), but then chooses to give the job to a less-qualified white candidate, based solely on the idea that the white person is superior to the black, or that the black person is inferior to the white?
On the other hand, a black man that interviews another black man (in the US), but then chooses to give the job to a less-qualified Japanese candidate, based solely on the idea that the Japanese person is superior to the black, or that the black person is inferior to the Japanese person is not racism, according to your views? That, according to your view of racism, the second event would need to occur in Japan in order for it to be racism, and if it happened in the US, it would not be racism?
If I understood you correctly, the latter example is not racism in your view (while it is still racism in my view). Would we agree that the latter scenario is the result of unfair biases and prejudices, and that it would be wrong? That that kind of thinking ought to be abolished? If not racism, what is the term you would use for the latter behavior?
Earlier, I thought you, Captain, and I came down on the same side of this thing, but now we may be reduced to squabbling amongst ourselves over the definition of a practice I think we all agree is wrong...and I find that sadly counterproductive.... |
Yes, that's basically where we disagree because it is the social context that changes, so if there is a social/economical system in place in the US to say that Japanese are more superior, then it would be racist. I don't believe there is such a system in the US.
Racism is systematic and while the dictionary speaks of racism as a personal hate for another based on race, you have to remember that the “hate” came from somewhere. Racism is not something that sneaks up on you, it is something that is ingrained within.
I think it would take a completely new thread to fully demonstrate where I'm coming from, but alas you are right in that we are making a meal out of a definition yet all agree that the OP is at best, ignorant.
I also feel I am partially responsible for taking this thread off track so apologies to those who all had valid points that may or may not have fallen on deaf ears by the OP - I think at the time i was called a 'racist' I took it more personally than maybe I should have, considering the poster. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:32 am Post subject: |
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young_clinton wrote: |
NohopeSeriously wrote: |
Thank goodness I can speak fluent Korean, so I can convince Koreans to feel bad about themselves. They're over-prideful people anyways. |
You didn't learn Korean just to do that did you? |
I was born in South Korea, moved to Russian for two years, and moved to Quebec. then to Ontario for a year, and I'm here in Korea. I naturally spoke Korean thanks to my background. My dad spoke English, so English was a common language for me when I was a baby. But still, I believe Koreans should reform themselves from their backward thinking and culture.
I think NETs should learn Korean to defend themselves and to pressure Koreans to become better citizens via Westernization. And I personally believe Koreans are not Westernized enough. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:51 am Post subject: |
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I think some posters are a little quick to generalize about the western world as being LA.
Suck that you live in a white man's world but believe me, where I'm from, it's not the case anymore.
A)I'm white
B)I'm a minority
C)The majority of Uni grads are Asian
D)THe majority of professionals (Pharmacists, MDs, Specialists, Accountants) are Asian
E) Many politicians are minorities and their posts are significant.
F) The majority of people with money and privilege are Asian. The majority of strung out, poor, people with basically no chance are either first nations or white.
If racism or mighty whitey existed to keep the minorities in check, we wouldn't see this discrepancy. Perhaps it exists where you're from (LA) but I have never seen such a racist place in all my life. Blacks hate Mexicans. Mexicans hate whites. Asians hate whites. It's awful so sorry you had to go through that but not all of the west is like this. LA just plainly sucks.
Now if any Asian gets discriminated against where I am from, it is usually because they just arrived and don't speak English as well or they have foreign work experience in their country that interviewers are ignorant of or have no experience with. A Slovakian guy right off the boat would get the same treatment. Ignorance and prejudice perhaps yes. Racist? No.This isn't 1956 anymore.
ANother thing too is that there exists, "asian privilege" and many Koreans are particularly bad about this where I am from. Basically Koreans only, grad/professional associations etc. Heck I remember 10 years back when the Korean community tried TO BAN NON KOREANS from using a supermarket a Korean-Canadian business mogul built. Basically, rich Koreans/Korean-Canadians wanted a Korean only environment and because they were from the upper echelon of Canadian social class, they thought they could get away with anything. That kind of crap can exist in Korea. It is their country and I don't give a flying eff what they do. But not in mine.
I'm not complaining here. I just think before a person Asian heritage goes off about "white-privilege," which I agree exists (However it has decreased significantly where I am from over the past 50 years) you should also acknowledge that "asian-priviledge" exists too. However, this is all ok I guess because mighty whitey is getting what it deserves right? I can't stand that attitude.
There were two kinds of guys I met with asian or Korean heritage in Korea. The one's that just basically agreed that racism sucks and fighting racism with racism just won't work. THese guys were bascially the most secure dudes I have ever met. The others had the whole "A HA, Now you know what it feels like! It is just desserts!" These guys clearly had issues and very angry personalities. I guess they just wanted to stay angry and blame external factors constantly for their problems. I stayed away from these types. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Something that needs to be said- Being racist is not the worst crime in the world.
A lot of the bashers on here say stuff I might consider "racist", but at the end of the day, a lot of them seem like people who would make good drinking buddies. |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Something that needs to be said- Being racist is not the worst crime in the world.
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Unless it is against Koreans and then you pipe up.  |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Cam,
Ok, I agree that the personal biases/prejudices that I label "racism" are a different thing than the systemic, institutionalized ways of prioritizing people, that you label "racism," and it would probably be good for everyone if there were separate terms for the two...and you think the systemic racism causes the individual racism ('...the "hate" comes from somewhere..'), and the approach to improve things is to change the system, while I think the individual racism causes the systemic racism (or, at least, allows the systemic racism to continue to exist without being challenged or changed), and so I think the way to improve things is to help the individual see the problem, and suggest an alternative. It is kind of "the chicken and the egg," but we both want the cycle to be broken....
I do not know of, nor could I find differentiating terms. Do you have suggestions? |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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robbie_davies wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
Something that needs to be said- Being racist is not the worst crime in the world.
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Unless it is against Koreans and then you pipe up.  |
Read the sentence below. I may speak strongly against it, but I don't hold it personally against the poster. |
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