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Julius
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we are the only ones out of the 'seven nations' who don't have our head permanently stuck up our arse, telling everyone how great we and our country are. Worst ones for that are the Americans and the Irish.  |
That is true, the whole braveheart scottish/ irish thing is extremely tiresome. The welsh are too insular and celtic race-fixated as well.
I don't find americans verbalising their pride much although they have a certain confidence that can only come from having a high opinion of yourself.
Korea is also race-fixated but they have a likeable innocence and naivete that I don't find in any brit. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Not one Brit has ever said "Hooliganism is part of UK culture. You must understand our very special culture."
I think the posts above are a drawn out "British culture is special, please try to understand."
If a Korean were asked to give their ideas in Korean, rather than English, they would likely give a more detailed reply.
I'm just hoping that maybe people can see that a lot of "apologist" tactics or things they get frustrated at with Koreans for, might occur themselves when things are turned around.
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If Korea tried to stop and deal with their problems maybe there wouldn't be as many people complaining about it on this site.
Looking at the past 50 years of Korean history, do you think this culture hasn't tried to seriously tackle many social issues?
Just as Britain can't seem to get a handle on those gangs of young men who make neighborhoods unsafe at night, Korea hasn't gotten a handle on traffic or spitting.
Besides, I'd take Korean indifference to spitting to having to devote massive public resources to prevent groups of fans attacking each other and endangering lives. Which is worse? A spitting problem that isn't addressed or a fan violence problem that has to be addressed?
Don't you get it? Something like fan violence is so barbaric it should never start in the first place in an allegedly "civilized" nation. I guess some might say British people are barbarians in suits.
Oh and BTW, did you notice how at tonight's Korea-Japan soccer match, a police line separating the Japanese fans and protecting them was completely unnecessary? Where were the mobs of Koreans and Japanese brawling and attacking people for wearing opposing colors? Nothing approaching the barbarism of a British football event.
Sorry your country can't behave in a civilized fashion when it comes to watching sports. Maybe your culture should copy Korean culture and join the developed world in being able to behave like an adult at a sporting match.
Yeah, words like that are really over the line. Guess what? People post that kind of stuff about Koreans everyday on this forum. If they have a point, then the I have a point with the tripe I wrote above. I think what I wrote is tripe and same with the basher comments. But you can't condone the basher posts and then condemn a post like mine. If people are going to dish it out, take it.
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Please stop drawing comparisons with spitting/ eating loudly etc and football hooliganism, they just don't match. Hooliganism is a crime punishable by law and carried out by a very small percentage of the population. The Korean things people are mentioning are cultural norms experienced on a daily basis. |
Hooliganism is 100X worse an offense than spitting. There is no reason it should exist in any way, shape or form.
I mean seriously...Who the heck gets it in their head to get violent over a spectator sporting match? There is no earthly reason for such a phenomenon to even exist. There is no reason it should ever have gotten as bad as it did in England. There is no reason that there should be a continued police presence over such a thing.
I'll drop the comparison the second that police aren't necessary for such a thing. I'll drop it the second I don't see a column of neon green clad people separating fans at a derby match. Until then, the fact that such a thing is necessary is a sign of barbarism.
Koreans don't have this problem, why does your country? Please, tell me why such a phenomenon exists in England. There is no earthly reason it should ever exist.
Other cultures can have such events just fine. Other cultures condemn fan violence and view it as such a rare thing that they don't have to separate fans. They don't do that at American football/baseball/basketball/hockey games. They don't do that at Korean baseball games or soccer matches. Why does this happen in your nation?
If the answer to the Korean problem of spitting is "bad, primitive culture", then sorry, the answer to the English Question is "bad, primitive culture". |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| British people blow their noses loudly, even while they're eating. Which is just like the way Korean farmers beat up their mail order brides. Bad primitive culture |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Hooliganism is 100X worse an offense than spitting. There is no reason it should exist in any way, shape or form. |
I know - I mean - Koreans never ever partake in hooliganism - Oh no - never happens at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMjwQWFQKE
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| I mean seriously...Who the heck gets it in their head to get violent over a spectator sporting match? There is no earthly reason for such a phenomenon to even exist. There is no reason it should ever have gotten as bad as it did in England. There is no reason that there should be a continued police presence over such a thing. |
I know - look at all these examples of English barbarians getting all in a tizzle over a sports match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmHYSD7k9gY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPTUbirMNL4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hybj08WyPIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Il3UlV2ars
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| I'll drop the comparison the second that police aren't necessary for such a thing. I'll drop it the second I don't see a column of neon green clad people separating fans at a derby match. Until then, the fact that such a thing is necessary is a sign of barbarism. |
You are still a bit too thick to realise that it isn't even a minority of the population, it is a tiny minority of football fans, they are widely condemned by everybody, nobody makes excuses for them. Unlike Korea where excuses are found for bad behaviour everyday - from the overflowing orphanages to the war crimes committed in Vietnam to the rampant xenophobia.
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| Koreans don't have this problem, why does your country? Please, tell me why such a phenomenon exists in England. There is no earthly reason it should ever exist. |
You forgot the problem is worse in Croatia, Serbia, Poland, Italy, Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Greece, Ukraine and in Argentina and various other South American countries - people get shot and killed going to the game. The last widescale football riot in England didn't involve any English people as the fans of the mighty Glasgow Rangers smashed up Manchester in 2008.
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| Other cultures can have such events just fine. Other cultures condemn fan violence and view it as such a rare thing that they don't have to separate fans. They don't do that at American football/baseball/basketball/hockey games. |
LOLZ!! Your ignorance is astounding. But I do love your sense of misplaced outrage at the English. So, just to keep you happy and prove that you do in fact, have a point - more English behaving badly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4svnh0TWkQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV8A7jCf4Cg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fakSvpUYsCw
English sports stars begging English fans NOT to riot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2mQRIOfdBk
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| They don't do that at Korean baseball games or soccer matches. Why does this happen in your nation? |
You seriously aren't comparing sporting culture between the UK and South Korea? How established has spectator sports on the level of the UK been in existence? Silly comparison. But it doesn't take much for the Koreans to start smashing the place up, usually in a fit of misplaced nationalism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_8PQi794s
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| If the answer to the Korean problem of spitting is "bad, primitive culture", then sorry, the answer to the English Question is "bad, primitive culture". |
Spitting is the least of their worries, the fact you think that you can tell us otherwise like we have never visited the joint is laughable. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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As a seasoned football fan its clear to me that football itself isn't the problem.
The problem is the tendency that males between the ages of 17-35 have towards violence and antisocial behaviour at large. Football is just a vehicle for their intentions and motives.
That said, football has improved exponentially in terms of the overall environment and atmosphere of the games. Football is now a middle class sport, especially in London where the full breadth of London's multicultural society can be season view; more women attend than ever before; disabled access is some of the best around; charity and non-profit work is considerable and taken for granted in many respects; community involvement as well; facilities are improving all the time.
The hooligan element remains but is symptomatic of wider social issues. |
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robbie_davies
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The hooligan element remains but is symptomatic of wider social issues. |
But isn't that the case in most of Europe? And in South America, it is a lot worse.
I will never ever excuse English football hooliganism or their past deeds - it has been and will always be a blight to our name. But these days, we are nowhere near the worst. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
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You are full of such rubbish its hardly even bearable.
We could mention more pressing issues in Korea such as:
racism and treatment of minorities
womens rights
prevalence and tolerance of prostitution across the country
suicide rates among the young
the gazillion stigmas that exist
poor working conditions for foreign workers
but, as is par for the course, you will likely move the goal posts on all of these fronts, as you always invariably end up doing, in order to paint the 'reality' that best suits your narrative of 'Korea #1'.
You say that 'other cultures have events just fine' did you not see the Olympics??? Was there considerable evidence of hooliganism there?? It was one of the best Olympics on record by many accounts. Did you watch Wimbledon, same there? England plays host to many sporting events that pass without even a shred of violence, sorry if that doesn't suit your narrative but its the truth.
English people widely condemn these acts as and when they do occur; we don't endlessly excuse them and put them down to cultural differences and blame the victim arguments etc
Stop generalizing, take your head out of your arse and try and at least attempt to have something approaching an adult conversation.
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Not one Brit has ever said "Hooliganism is part of UK culture. You must understand our very special culture."
I think the posts above are a drawn out "British culture is special, please try to understand."
If a Korean were asked to give their ideas in Korean, rather than English, they would likely give a more detailed reply.
I'm just hoping that maybe people can see that a lot of "apologist" tactics or things they get frustrated at with Koreans for, might occur themselves when things are turned around.
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If Korea tried to stop and deal with their problems maybe there wouldn't be as many people complaining about it on this site.
Looking at the past 50 years of Korean history, do you think this culture hasn't tried to seriously tackle many social issues?
Just as Britain can't seem to get a handle on those gangs of young men who make neighborhoods unsafe at night, Korea hasn't gotten a handle on traffic or spitting.
Besides, I'd take Korean indifference to spitting to having to devote massive public resources to prevent groups of fans attacking each other and endangering lives. Which is worse? A spitting problem that isn't addressed or a fan violence problem that has to be addressed?
Don't you get it? Something like fan violence is so barbaric it should never start in the first place in an allegedly "civilized" nation. I guess some might say British people are barbarians in suits.
Oh and BTW, did you notice how at tonight's Korea-Japan soccer match, a police line separating the Japanese fans and protecting them was completely unnecessary? Where were the mobs of Koreans and Japanese brawling and attacking people for wearing opposing colors? Nothing approaching the barbarism of a British football event.
Sorry your country can't behave in a civilized fashion when it comes to watching sports. Maybe your culture should copy Korean culture and join the developed world in being able to behave like an adult at a sporting match.
Yeah, words like that are really over the line. Guess what? People post that kind of stuff about Koreans everyday on this forum. If they have a point, then the I have a point with the tripe I wrote above. I think what I wrote is tripe and same with the basher comments. But you can't condone the basher posts and then condemn a post like mine. If people are going to dish it out, take it.
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Please stop drawing comparisons with spitting/ eating loudly etc and football hooliganism, they just don't match. Hooliganism is a crime punishable by law and carried out by a very small percentage of the population. The Korean things people are mentioning are cultural norms experienced on a daily basis. |
Hooliganism is 100X worse an offense than spitting. There is no reason it should exist in any way, shape or form.
I mean seriously...Who the heck gets it in their head to get violent over a spectator sporting match? There is no earthly reason for such a phenomenon to even exist. There is no reason it should ever have gotten as bad as it did in England. There is no reason that there should be a continued police presence over such a thing.
I'll drop the comparison the second that police aren't necessary for such a thing. I'll drop it the second I don't see a column of neon green clad people separating fans at a derby match. Until then, the fact that such a thing is necessary is a sign of barbarism.
Koreans don't have this problem, why does your country? Please, tell me why such a phenomenon exists in England. There is no earthly reason it should ever exist.
Other cultures can have such events just fine. Other cultures condemn fan violence and view it as such a rare thing that they don't have to separate fans. They don't do that at American football/baseball/basketball/hockey games. They don't do that at Korean baseball games or soccer matches. Why does this happen in your nation?
If the answer to the Korean problem of spitting is "bad, primitive culture", then sorry, the answer to the English Question is "bad, primitive culture". |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
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Firstly, excellent reply to Steeralis, mate!!
Well yeah, exactly. Boca-River games in Argentina look like a veritable war zone; as do Copa Libertadores matches between Brazilian and Argentinian teams. What about the ultras in Italy? And the rising number of incidents of racism across Russia and Eastern Europe.
It's always fashionable to bash the brits. Sorry we have the most competitive league in the world, best broadcasting coverage, increasingly better stadiums but thats how it is.
Side note: i wonder what the next two World Cup tournaments will do to the games' profile.
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The hooligan element remains but is symptomatic of wider social issues. |
But isn't that the case in most of Europe? And in South America, it is a lot worse.
I will never ever excuse English football hooliganism or their past deeds - it has been and will always be a blight to our name. But these days, we are nowhere near the worst. |
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robbie_davies
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly. Boca-River games in Argentina look like a veritable war zone; as do Copa Libertadores matches between Brazilian and Argentinian teams. What about the ultras in Italy? And the rising number of incidents of racism across Russia and Eastern Europe.
It's always fashionable to bash the brits. Sorry we have the most competitive league in the world, best broadcasting coverage, increasingly better stadiums but thats how it is.
Side note: i wonder what the next two World Cup tournaments will do to the games' profile.
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The hooligan element remains but is symptomatic of wider social issues. |
But isn't that the case in most of Europe? And in South America, it is a lot worse.
I will never ever excuse English football hooliganism or their past deeds - it has been and will always be a blight to our name. But these days, we are nowhere near the worst. |
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You made an excellent point in the previous post about the olympics, no rioting in any of the six nations games, nothing at Wimbledon. nothing at the cricket for 20 odd years. Because, according to Steelrails - it is a uniquely English problem whereas in America - rioting never happens surrounding sporting events:
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Stop being apologists for bad behavior.
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| British people blow their noses loudly, even while they're eating. Which is just like the way Korean farmers beat up their mail order brides. Bad primitive culture Rolling Eyes |
Exactly. Let's compare loud nose blowing to spitting and slurping. I think they can both be considered equally disgusting. One "we" notice because we aren't used to it, the other "they" notice because they aren't used to it. But are either a sign of being a "peasant in a suit" or having "bad culture"? No.
Then, compare rates of spousal abuse amongst the poor and things like youth and gang violence, potential for armed robbery, etc.
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| I know - I mean - Koreans never ever partake in hooliganism - Oh no - never happens at all. |
No one said they never riot, just that there isn't a sporting hooligan culture.
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| it is a tiny minority of football fans, they are widely condemned by everybody, nobody makes excuses for them. |
O'Really?
The thing with these, and say the Millwall fan brawl, is that the next day, everyone condemns them, but at the moment, they seem pretty well tolerated.
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| You forgot the problem is worse in Croatia, Serbia, Poland, Italy, Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Greece, Ukraine and in Argentina and various other South American countries - people get shot and killed going to the game. |
So, our culture isn't bad because we only beat up random people at sporting events, we at least don't shoot them?
Stop excusing bad culture.
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LOLZ!! Your ignorance is astounding. But I do love your sense of misplaced outrage at the English. So, just to keep you happy and prove that you do in fact, have a point - more English behaving badly.
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Apologist tactic #1- BUT BUT THESE OTHER PEOPLE DO IT TOO.
But I will agree, that your post is fair game. Just don't whine the next time a Korea defender says "They do it too."
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| You seriously aren't comparing sporting culture between the UK and South Korea? How established has spectator sports on the level of the UK been in existence? Silly comparison. |
British culture is special. Please try to understand.
I don't care how long your sporting culture has existed. No excuse for that sort of behavior to develop in any way, shape, or form.
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| that best suits your narrative of 'Korea #1'. |
That isn't my narrative at all. My narrative is don't bash Korea in a manner that puts them down, and be sure to notice the flaws in your own culture before getting all puffed up. These criticism proffered aren't meant to help Koreans, they are meant to put them down in an effort to put oneself above them. It's not about fixing the problem. It's about these stupid orientals understanding that they are beneath us. At least subconsciously. Probably a result of cultural conditioning to regards one own's culture and nation as superior to the others of the world.
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| English people widely condemn these acts as and when they do occur; we don't endlessly excuse them and put them down to cultural differences and blame the victim arguments etc |
A fair segment seems to do that with colonialism. "Well other nations do it too." "We were helping them" "Our goals were establishing trade, not religious conquest".
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Well yeah, exactly. Boca-River games in Argentina look like a veritable war zone; as do Copa Libertadores matches between Brazilian and Argentinian teams. What about the ultras in Italy? And the rising number of incidents of racism across Russia and Eastern Europe.
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So British hooliganism isn't so bad because other countries are worse?
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| Because, according to Steelrails - it is a uniquely English problem whereas in America - rioting never happens surrounding sporting events: |
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Just like bad table manners and driving, suicide, and domestic violence are uniquely Korean problems?
First, I never said riots don't happen. But you don't have the amplified police presence and gangs of "fans" fighting each other before games. Yes, a riot can occur, but as far as having to have lines of police in the stands and columns of empty seats to separate fans, nope.
The point is, that when the shoe is on the other foot, bashers will likely become apologists for their own culture. Is it any surprise that people of "basher" accounts came out of the woodwork for this? Is it any surprise that they used the same tactics they accuse "apologists" of?
This is about you guys looking in the mirror and realizing you are driven by the same impulses. It's also about looking in the mirror and realize when people lob explosive and demeaning statements about someone's culture, that it can get irritating if you are on the receiving end. It's about looking in the mirror and realizing there is a better way rather than just endlessly ripping Koreans. It's about looking in the mirror and realizing that no, you aren't magically more evolved and some paragon of culture compared to Koreans. If you think you are, you are lying to yourself. I'm sorry you have an intrinsic need to place yourself on a pedestal above the natives, and are "forced" to endure it, but really, consider another approach.
As I've said, 8 years ago, dealing with Koreans back home, I was just as much a basher as anyone on this board. Said the same things. After two years away from Koreans and some soul searching, I realized that truth be told, they weren't as bad as I was making them out, were actually quite better at many things, and that I wasn't the pinnacle of greatness I was making myself out to be. In other words, I learned to chill.
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cj1976
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Steelrails, have you ever lived in the UK? Judging by your hackneyed cliches of one nefarious aspect of British culture, it appears you get all of your information from secondhand sources. The people who you call bashers, on the other hand, have firsthand experience of Korea and are probably in a slightly better position to make judgement calls.
I'm not defending the appalling yob culture that exists in the UK, but I find it bemusing that it is the one straw you persist to clutch. You seem to have a bit a thing with British people because you never single out the bashers from other nations on here. |
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robbie_davies
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| Stop being apologists for bad behavior. |
You are a proper idiot, who is apologising for bad behaviour? Show me where the apologies are? I have said that bad behaviour from our fans home and abroad is unacceptable and there is no excuse, how much more plain can one be?
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| I know - I mean - Koreans never ever partake in hooliganism - Oh no - never happens at all. |
No one said they never riot, just that there isn't a sporting hooligan culture. [/quote]
Now you are the one making excuses, it is unaaceptable behaviour - whoever does it and for whatever reason.
Stop making excuses for Korean bad behaviour.
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| it is a tiny minority of football fans, they are widely condemned by everybody, nobody makes excuses for them. |
O'Really?[/quote]
Yes, it is a minority within a minority, most English people have no interest in football and less than 1% of the population go and watch live games.
The thing with these, and say the Millwall fan brawl, is that the next day, everyone condemns them, but at the moment, they seem pretty well tolerated. [/quote]
It was a few drunks swinging punches - was condemned - hardly a riot, that kind of bad behaviour even happens in - gasp - America!
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You forgot the problem is worse in Croatia, Serbia, Poland, Italy, Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Greece, Ukraine and in Argentina and various other South American countries - people get shot and killed going to the game.
So, our culture isn't bad because we only beat up random people at sporting events, we at least don't shoot them? |
Again, you need to learn how to read you idiot, who is excusing bad behaviour? I am clearly stating that this behaviour is not an 'English'
phenomenon and that it exists in a lot of countries, even your own.
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| Stop excusing bad culture. |
I don't - thats your job on this board!
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| Apologist tactic #1- BUT BUT THESE OTHER PEOPLE DO IT TOO. |
Well they do, this is a simple counterpoint to your 'hooliganism is a purely an English trait and not something Americans do' in fact, there have been major scale riots and disorder over sporting events in Chicago, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Los Angeles. So basically - I am correcting you on a point and not apolgising for anything.
Let me just state - just in case you missed it - whenever our hooligans have behaved badly it has been disgraceful and inexcuseable.
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| But I will agree, that your post is fair game. Just don't whine the next time a Korea defender says "They do it too. |
You don't teach comprehension in this school of yours when you sorely need lessons in it yourself.
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You seriously aren't comparing sporting culture between the UK and South Korea? How established has spectator sports on the level of the UK been in existence? Silly comparison.
British culture is special. Please try to understand. |
No, I am stating a fact, it is just South Korea has had less of a spectator culture than the UK. But judging by their behaviour on the streets over mad cow disease and US army bases - give them time and they will be as bad as anyone in Europe.
Again - there is no excuse and no justification for English hooliganism.
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| I don't care how long your sporting culture has existed. No excuse for that sort of behavior to develop in any way, shape, or form. |
Absolutley, just in case you have missed it.
There is no excuse or justification for English hooliganism.
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That isn't my narrative at all. My narrative is don't bash Korea in a manner that puts them down, and be sure to notice the flaws in your own culture before getting all puffed up. These criticism proffered aren't meant to help Koreans, they are meant to put them down in an effort to put oneself above them. It's not about fixing the problem. It's about these stupid orientals understanding that they are beneath us. At least subconsciously. Probably a result of cultural conditioning to regards one own's culture and nation as superior to the others of the world. |
What about your damn culture? I don't see you taking that to task and the Koreans you so valinatly defend will discard you soon enough as you don't have the qualifications in a market that is shrinking. It will soon be time to pack up and move on back to mom and dads and flying that bi-plane that they keep in the back garden. I sure as hell hope that you got laid at least once whilst you have been in Korea. Sure as hell doesn't sound like it!
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| A fair segment seems to do that with colonialism. "Well other nations do it too." "We were helping them" "Our goals were establishing trade, not religious conquest" |
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Where the hell does that come from boy - now you are starting to speak complete gibberish.
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| So British hooliganism isn't so bad because other countries are worse? |
You claimed it was a solely British trait - you are wrong, it is as bad in your own country and the Koreans are pretty good at it as well judging by all the riots they have had over the years.
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| Just like bad table manners and driving, suicide, and domestic violence are uniquely Korean problems? |
Who has ever said that? Copy and paste wherever that has been posted where those three problems have been 'uniquely' Korean? I have never read that ever. Problems that occur in Korea? Yes, uniquely Korean? Never ever read that once - and if you saying you have - you are a liar.
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| First, I never said riots don't happen. But you don't have the amplified police presence and gangs of "fans" fighting each other before games. Yes, a riot can occur, but as far as having to have lines of police in the stands and columns of empty seats to separate fans, nope. |
There has been loads of riots based on sports events, loads and loads and loads - because it is policed differently doesn't mean your morons are better behaved than ours. How many sporting riots have there been in the states and Canada over the past decade or so - dozens - that is how many. How many riots based on disorder - dozens - when you point the figer steelrails - you are always surprised when 10 point back at you.
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| The point is, that when the shoe is on the other foot, bashers will likely become apologists for their own culture. Is it any surprise that people of "basher" accounts came out of the woodwork for this? Is it any surprise that they used the same tactics they accuse "apologists" of? |
No one here, has excused English culture or the behaviour of the hooligans. Nobody has done it, but if you are going to start yapping on about it being an 'English cultural trait' then you will get challenged.
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| This is about you guys looking in the mirror and realizing you are driven by the same impulses. It's also about looking in the mirror and realize when people lob explosive and demeaning statements about someone's culture, that it can get irritating if you are on the receiving end. It's about looking in the mirror and realizing there is a better way rather than just endlessly ripping Koreans. It's about looking in the mirror and realizing that no, you aren't magically more evolved and some paragon of culture compared to Koreans. If you think you are, you are lying to yourself. I'm sorry you have an intrinsic need to place yourself on a pedestal above the natives, and are "forced" to endure it, but really, consider another approach. |
You need to get laid man, and get some comprehension lessons while you are at it, I reckon you are spending too much time on Daves spouting shite.
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| As I've said, 8 years ago, dealing with Koreans back home, I was just as much a basher as anyone on this board. Said the same things. After two years away from Koreans and some soul searching, I realized that truth be told, they weren't as bad as I was making them out, were actually quite better at many things, and that I wasn't the pinnacle of greatness I was making myself out to be. In other words, I learned to chill. |
What? You are not in Korea now? LOLZ!!!!!!!!! You know you have lost your rank as Colonel in Chief of the apologista police on this board, you know you are going to get ripped apart from now on like PatrickGHBusan every time he tries to make a point.
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Call out on the bullshit when you see it, you can do the same about my country, just as long as you don't attribute it to 'solely' English cultural phenonemons.
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edwardcatflap
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Exactly. Let's compare loud nose blowing to spitting and slurping. I think they can both be considered equally disgusting. One "we" notice because we aren't used to it, the other "they" notice because they aren't used to it. But are either a sign of being a "peasant in a suit" or having "bad culture"? No.
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edwardcatflap
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You don't come across as very chilled.
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You can do better than that Robbie
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This is about you guys looking in the mirror and realizing you are driven by the same impulses. It's also about looking in the mirror and realize when people lob explosive and demeaning statements about someone's culture, that it can get irritating if you are on the receiving end. It's about looking in the mirror and realizing there is a better way rather than just endlessly ripping Koreans. It's about looking in the mirror and realizing that no, you aren't magically more evolved and some paragon of culture compared to Koreans. If you think you are, you are lying to yourself. I'm sorry you have an intrinsic need to place yourself on a pedestal above the natives, and are "forced" to endure it, but really, consider another approach.
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Yes I agree sometimes people need to look in the mirror - which are supposed to reflect things - So if a Brit started complaining about Korean anti beef riots you'd be pretty justified in mentioning all the riots that go on in the UK. And if he mentioned loud chomping, you could point out that Brits blow their noses etc...People aren't going to take you seriously, however, if you counter the spitting argument with football hooliganism. There isn't a parallel and it just looks like an ill thought out knee jerk reaction. That's usually why people get annoyed with some of your posts |
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Steelrails
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| Call out on the bullshit when you see it, you can do the same about my country, just as long as you don't attribute it to 'solely' English cultural phenonemons. |
I never did. I just said it was an a problem with the English and in England and reflected on their culture. The same way spitting and slurping apparently are a problem with the Koreans and in Korea and reflect on their culture.
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Well when people start calling an entire culture primitive and whatnot because of one bad tick like slurping or higher than normal traffic death rate, I don't think that is a good original projection either. Thus, a bad mirror... |
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