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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Location: AsiaHaven
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:22 am Post subject: UNDISCIPLINED STUDENTS |
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I am new to this forum (but not to Korea), please allow me to comment.
I had heard a tale about a student who terrorized ALL foreign and Korean teachers alike at my school .
Everyone was "scared" of him.
Upon my arrival,
I was warned that he would leave me in tears on a daily basis,
cause me to pull my hair out, and that eventually he would be the direct cause of my emotionally break-down or something similarly related
mental note to self: NOT HAPPENING-NO WAY-NO HOW
Day 1: Said student is disruptive, loud, rude, disrespectful, bugging others, annoying me, and cursing,(Korean and English)
Day 2:Smiling, I politely asked the said student to follow me. Together, we walked into a very private small closet space. For legal/ethical reasons, I cannot divulge the events/conversation/lesson, that transpired.
Day 3: Said Student enters class, does a respectful, half bow towards me, greets everyone, sits down very politely, does work, speaks only when spoken to, says Thank you for the "lesson" teacher and bows once again. Later, said student, becomes top student in the class, wins regional English speaking contest, is still in constant communication with me five years later. He tells everyone that I was and still is his favorite teacher.
Day 4: My heart is pounding as Owner/Boss summons me into his office Korean style, in what I call"shoo fly" motion) and, speaking in perfect English says, "Teacher, I don't know exactly what you did or said, but thank you and feel free to do it again.
Dear English teachers, please handle your business immediately, or it will handle you for an eternity.( or at least until you finish your contract) |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| So no hints as to what was said? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:49 am Post subject: |
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He's teaching real young elementary school children, 1st and 2nd graders. After a hard day at school they think the class is going to be fun and games only. Classroom management might be difficult since all they know how to speak is Korean and you are a foreign teacher not a Korean teacher. The only thing you can do is learn how to make commands in Korean (such as sit down, be quiet etc.). As the season proceeds they will calm down a little bit especially if there is an activity routine that they go through every class period.
I think generally Korean children work very hard, but they are also spoiled after the work is done. Your children don't see your class as a real class. I wouldn't go to far in making them feel that the class isn't fun and games, especially if it's a Hogwan. |
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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Location: AsiaHaven
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| So no hints as to what was said? |
There wasn't a lot of "verbal" interaction taking place.
I basically resorted to what would have happened if I had
behaved or spoken to my parents or an elder in the same manner
in which this student had publicly behaved himself.
I am 100% certain that the student was "shocked" into his senses that a complete stranger would do what his parents and seven other teachers had failed to do; give him a dose of his own medicine.
Since I'm new on this board, I don't want to dig myself into a proverbial hole because I know some of the people here will shovel me over very quickly. So, I'll just have to leave it at that. Thanks. |
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byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| beentheredonethat777 wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| So no hints as to what was said? |
There wasn't a lot of "verbal" interaction taking place.
I basically resorted to what would have happened if I had
behaved or spoken to my parents or an elder in the same manner
in which this student had publicly behaved himself.
I am 100% certain that the student was "shocked" into his senses that a complete stranger would do what his parents and seven other teachers had failed to do; give him a dose of his own medicine.
Since I'm new on this board, I don't want to dig myself into a proverbial hole because I know some of the people here will shovel me over very quickly. So, I'll just have to leave it at that. Thanks. |
I'm glad that things worked out for you in that situation, op. I'd like to comment on this, however:
| beentheredonethat777 wrote: |
Day 2:Smiling, I politely asked the said student to follow me. Together, we walked into a very private small closet space. For legal/ethical reasons, I cannot divulge the events/conversation/lesson, that transpired.
Dear English teachers, please handle your business immediately, or it will handle you for an eternity.( or at least until you finish your contract) |
You said for legal/ethical reasons that you cannot divulge what transpired in that very private small closet space with the the problem kid and you, the "complete stranger". I'd say that doing this is not a good idea at all for those very reasons that you don't want to say what happened.
OP, I'm not saying that you did anything inappropriate, but that tactic isn't professional.
Dear English teachers, please don't do this. There are other ways to handle it. |
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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Location: AsiaHaven
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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OP, I'm not saying that you did anything inappropriate, but that tactic isn't professional.
Dear English teachers, please don't do this. There are other ways to handle it.[/quote]
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@BYRDDOGS: I totally agree with you! (LOL)
However, this was back in the day and at a school where ANY method of
classroom management was acceptable.
Plus, I think one of the main reasons this worked for me is because I am professionally trained and have many years of experience in classroom management experience. But in this case, my personal instincts kicked in,
and I knew immediately there was ONLY one solution in this particular case.
This is/was not my usual method.
In the immediate future, I will share some very useful tips and techniques for new/ or inexperienced teachers in Korea or around the world that will work for ALL ages. (I've taught students ages 3-85, respectfully,) in public schools/private/university students, Business English/Military officers/camps/intensives/ Senior citizens/ etc. (in Korea)and a special needs class with 15 ADD students on daily meds in America, with great success.
GOSH, I'm almost telling my age.
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byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| beentheredonethat777 wrote: |
@BYRDDOGS: I totally agree with you! (LOL)
However, this was back in the day and at a school where ANY method of
classroom management was acceptable.
Plus, I think one of the main reasons this worked for me is because I am professionally trained and have many years of experience in classroom management experience. But in this case, my personal instincts kicked in,
and I knew immediately there was ONLY one solution in this particular case.
This is/was not my usual method.
In the immediate future, I will share some very useful tips and techniques for new/ or inexperienced teachers in Korea or around the world that will work for ALL ages. (I've taught students ages 3-85, respectfully,) in public schools/private/university students, Business English/Military officers/camps/intensives/ Senior citizens/ etc. (in Korea)and a special needs class with 15 ADD students on daily meds in America, with great success.
GOSH, I'm almost telling my age.
I was just sharing one of my first experiences in this country. |
Fair enough that this happened back in the day when anything was acceptable, but times have changed and that isn't acceptable anymore in either my country or Korea (by an outsider). I'm glad that you mentioned that this is not your usual method of classroom management, and that it was a one off deal from a time gone past. I just thought it to be a bad example for current teachers.
Same as you, I'm professionally trained. I'm also a licensed teacher in my home country with many years experience dealing with a spectrum of demographics both home and abroad. I have my own style, but I and most others would be interested to learn what you say has worked for you.
I'm sorry if this comes off as condescending, but your posts almost come off as if you are selling something. Please do as you said and prove that notion wrong by providing those techniques and info for all to benefit from. |
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backtotheROK
Joined: 13 Jul 2013
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I hate teaching 7 and 8 year old. I always see a huge improvement in respect and noise volume in the 9-11 year olds.
Bad kids will always be bad no matter what you try with them. My K-co teacher can't even control them. That should shut these "it's the teacher's fault" people up. Some kids are just BAD. |
Just because your CT can't, dosen't mean that you can't.
I've been in a similar situation before - and yes the CT loses face BIG TIME, because I can control their class better that them.
But that isn't my problem is it  |
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thisisausername
Joined: 28 May 2011
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Of course hitting students could be very effective beentheredonethat777, but it's illegal and could land you in a lot of trouble.
Placing a gun to the head of their Grandma would also work. "Work quietly kid or Harmonie gets this heat up her ass!" But this is another illegal method of gaining student cooperation. |
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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Location: AsiaHaven
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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| [quote="thisisausername"]Of course hitting students could be very effective beentheredonethat777, but it's illegal and could land you in a lot of trouble. |
I did NOT hit the student. Nope. Really. I know it sounded that way, but I REALLY didn't hit the student. Try to guess again. If you get it right, I'll tell you.  |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: UNDISCIPLINED STUDENTS |
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| beentheredonethat777 wrote: |
I am new to this forum (but not to Korea), please allow me to comment.
I had heard a tale about a student who terrorized ALL foreign and Korean teachers alike at my school .
Everyone was "scared" of him.
Owner/Boss summons me into his office Korean style, in what I call"shoo fly" motion) and, speaking in perfect English says, "Teacher, I don't know exactly what you did or said, but thank you and feel free to do it again.
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The bigger question, and doesn't only pertain to this employer, is why the owner didn't kick the student out before? Yes, he'd lose the student's tuition, but he probably lost multiple students' tuition in keeping this bad kid at the school.
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I had a bad student my first year at a hogwon. I yelled at him and made him cry. Then his parents called, and the owner was pissed off at me saying "that kid's parents are pulling him." I said "good." |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: UNDISCIPLINED STUDENTS |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| The bigger question, and doesn't only pertain to this employer, is why the owner didn't kick the student out before? Yes, he'd lose the student's tuition, but he probably lost multiple students' tuition in keeping this bad kid at the school. |
So many hagwon owners are not great at business management. They are so incompetent (generally speaking). They are greedy and selfish, but beyond this they don't fully understand what is in their long term self interest. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="beentheredonethat777"]
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| thisisausername wrote: |
| Of course hitting students could be very effective beentheredonethat777, but it's illegal and could land you in a lot of trouble. |
I did NOT hit the student. Nope. Really. I know it sounded that way, but I REALLY didn't hit the student. Try to guess again. If you get it right, I'll tell you.  |
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There wasn't a lot of "verbal" interaction taking place.
I basically resorted to what would have happened if I had
behaved or spoken to my parents or an elder in the same manner
in which this student had publicly behaved himself. |
So non-verbal and non-physical? Must have been hypnotism. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Must have been something like, "I fart in your general direction", kind of
approach.  |
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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013 Location: AsiaHaven
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
Must have been something like, "I fart in your general direction", kind of
approach.  |
(LOL)...(LOL) WOW!! |
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