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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a Non-Teaching Position Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
One thing however...if you do miss Korea you should also realize that working there for a company (Korean or other) will not be the same experience as working there as a language teacher with very few responsibilities or pressures. Your free time might also be a lot less than it was when you were teaching.

Still, good luck to you.

Also, you should realize that if you choose teaching, there will be more pressures and responsibilities then were present when you taught three years ago. (For this you will be given no additional payment). That is the direct result of a flooded market. (Public schools went way downhill lately. Even universities have too for the most part.)

Still, good luck to you.
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elavndrc



Joined: 15 Oct 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:33 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a Non-Teaching Position Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
One thing however...if you do miss Korea you should also realize that working there for a company (Korean or other) will not be the same experience as working there as a language teacher with very few responsibilities or pressures. Your free time might also be a lot less than it was when you were teaching.

Still, good luck to you.

Also, you should realize that if you choose teaching, there will be more pressures and responsibilities then were present when you taught three years ago. (For this you will be given no additional payment). That is the direct result of a flooded market. (Public schools went way downhill lately. Even universities have too for the most part.)

Still, good luck to you.


I agree - that's why I'm trying not to go towards a teaching position. If I am unable to find a non-teaching position - plan B would be to get a business teaching position and network to find a non-teaching one. Probably not the easiest but better than nothing.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You"re probably not going to want to hear this, but here goes..

Stay where you are.


I miss Korea a lot too, but I also realize that the market there has changed.

Too many noobs willing to work for peanuts, too many employers expecting

far too much for less money.

I realized that I was not going anywhere in Korea and that as I grew older, my chances of getting work were getting slimmer each year.
If I went back to Korea now, I would be even worse off than when I left.
At least in Canada I have a steady job. I may hate it, but it pays the bills
and I don't have to be treated like a criminal every year just to find another job.


It's pretty tough to find anything outside of teaching unless you have some valued skill set that many Koreans are willing to pay you for.
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elavndrc



Joined: 15 Oct 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
You"re probably not going to want to hear this, but here goes..

Stay where you are.


I miss Korea a lot too, but I also realize that the market there has changed.

Too many noobs willing to work for peanuts, too many employers expecting

far too much for less money.

I realized that I was not going anywhere in Korea and that as I grew older, my chances of getting work were getting slimmer each year.
If I went back to Korea now, I would be even worse off than when I left.
At least in Canada I have a steady job. I may hate it, but it pays the bills
and I don't have to be treated like a criminal every year just to find another job.


It's pretty tough to find anything outside of teaching unless you have some valued skill set that many Koreans are willing to pay you for.


Trust me when I say I torture myself over this decision. One day I'll be set on going back to Korea and some days I'll think I'm stupid for giving up a perfectly good career path.

I think I want to live in Asia permanently and as Korean is the only language I can speak, read and write (besides English) - I felt like Korea would be the best place for me. I have thought of Hong Kong or Singapore as I speak Chinese fluently but those places are just too hot.

It's a battle between what I think I want and what could happen if I make the decision to go - I might hate it in Korea but part of me feels that this would be the perfect time to at least give it a shot. While I'm still single and have no kids - whenever else would it be OK to travel around the world? I'd hate to sound like a teenager but you only live once right? (Never thought I'd say YOLO... >.< )

If I got a job before - I should be able to get one if I have to come back right? Only thing I'm worried about is how bad it looks on my resume. I have two years of teaching, followed by three years of IT, then back to Korea doing teaching (if I can't find a non-teaching position)? Maybe I am nuts. Confused
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best of luck to you then.

If you're still under 40 then the world's your oyster.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
You"re probably not going to want to hear this, but here goes..

Stay where you are.


I miss Korea a lot too, but I also realize that the market there has changed.

Too many noobs willing to work for peanuts, too many employers expecting

far too much for less money.

I realized that I was not going anywhere in Korea and that as I grew older, my chances of getting work were getting slimmer each year.
If I went back to Korea now, I would be even worse off than when I left.
At least in Canada I have a steady job. I may hate it, but it pays the bills
and I don't have to be treated like a criminal every year just to find another job.


It's pretty tough to find anything outside of teaching unless you have some valued skill set that many Koreans are willing to pay you for.


Yes, your chances of work in Korea go down as you get older. It is also important to note, that your ease of re-entry into your home country also go down; especially if you will not be doing the same work back home.

Really, I'd suggest you just take some time off, rather than change your whole life. Maybe take 3 months off and go backpacking or something.
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coryallan



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many non-teaching jobs in Ulsan and on Geoje island at Hyundai, Samsung Heavy Industries and DSME. Many of the jobs are for different types of engineers but there are also many that work in the offices.

I believe the majority of the jobs are through expat companies but you would work a two+ year contract with great benefits and pay. I currently teach an Algerian lady that works for "Total" as a cost controller.

Can't really provide any more info but check into the oil and gas as well as the shipbuilding industries
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

elavndrc wrote:
some waygug-in wrote:
You"re probably not going to want to hear this, but here goes..

Stay where you are.


I miss Korea a lot too, but I also realize that the market there has changed.

Too many noobs willing to work for peanuts, too many employers expecting

far too much for less money.

I realized that I was not going anywhere in Korea and that as I grew older, my chances of getting work were getting slimmer each year.
If I went back to Korea now, I would be even worse off than when I left.
At least in Canada I have a steady job. I may hate it, but it pays the bills
and I don't have to be treated like a criminal every year just to find another job.


It's pretty tough to find anything outside of teaching unless you have some valued skill set that many Koreans are willing to pay you for.


Trust me when I say I torture myself over this decision. One day I'll be set on going back to Korea and some days I'll think I'm stupid for giving up a perfectly good career path.

I think I want to live in Asia permanently and as Korean is the only language I can speak, read and write (besides English) - I felt like Korea would be the best place for me. I have thought of Hong Kong or Singapore as I speak Chinese fluently but those places are just too hot.

It's a battle between what I think I want and what could happen if I make the decision to go - I might hate it in Korea but part of me feels that this would be the perfect time to at least give it a shot. While I'm still single and have no kids - whenever else would it be OK to travel around the world? I'd hate to sound like a teenager but you only live once right? (Never thought I'd say YOLO... >.< )

If I got a job before - I should be able to get one if I have to come back right? Only thing I'm worried about is how bad it looks on my resume. I have two years of teaching, followed by three years of IT, then back to Korea doing teaching (if I can't find a non-teaching position)? Maybe I am nuts. Confused



You speak fluent Chinese, so you're a 1st generation Asian American (Chinese background I assume).

I personally think your chances of securing a non-ESL related work is very slim.

However, if you can really speak Chinese at a native level, you might be able to get a non teaching job as a translator.

But since you're young and have no responsibilities like kids, you're free as a bird.

Give Korea a shot... you've got nothing to lose.
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elavndrc



Joined: 15 Oct 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I speak fluent Chinese but that's useless unless I can read/write too - which I cannot.

My problem with finding a job in Korea is really my lack of a F visa. Can I buy a Korean groom somewhere? haha
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elavndrc wrote:
Great idea - my company does exist in Korea as well and I've become friends with a lot of people from that company who are in the US for secondment but it seems impossible to transfer over there. I'd have to be at a much higher level but I don't want to wait any longer to go back. =[ I will definitely keep in touch with my friends and hope for a miracle though.


This sounds like your best bet, to be perfectly honest. Not that you are in a bad situation otherwise, but it just sounds like, if you bide your time, something will eventually pan out.

Otherwise you might want to consider looking into some of the graduate degree programs here. The more reputable schools have led to doors opening for friends of mine once they completed their studies. You can also work 20 hours per week legally on a student visa.

Or you could spend some time doing language study in Korea, or that business teaching idea you had. Although it is certainly not impossible to secure a non-teaching job here while overseas, a decent proportion of employers want someone who is available for a face-to-face interview.
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nate1983



Joined: 30 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who has both taught English and worked in a company (investment banking), your best chance is to get a decent command of Korean, develop relationships and have the requisite skills, or get hired abroad and transfer to the Korean office (my route).

For jobs that may fit your background, check out www.seoulprofessionals.com.
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Ginormousaurus



Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit

PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elavndrc wrote:
wishfullthinkng wrote:
what's your area of expertise? accounting? maybe if you say a bit about what you excel at then someone here might have something or know someone who does.

i know i'm looking for people with cad/reverse engineering/3d printing experience here in korea.


My area of expertise is IT, however, I am not technical. I do not have any skills in programming. My current job is related to incident and change management more than anything else. I have also done corporate technology training and asset management.

I'd appreciate any opportunities anyone has seen.

Thank you!


Here's one that mentions both IT skills and corporate training. You may not be qualified for everything they've listed, but it doesn't hurt to try.

That site often has non-engineering jobs advertised.
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Mr. Peabody



Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: here

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng
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Threequalseven



Joined: 08 May 2012

PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd watch this before committing your life to the Korean office culture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA15zED58bc

One of my dream jobs has been to own an American style restaurant somewhere that would appreciate it overseas. Good sandwiches, burgers, tacos, pancakes and waffles, etc. If you're just looking for the Asian experience and not specifically Korean, your grasp of the Chinese language could bode well for you there. I doubt cities like Beijing are any hotter than Korea.
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heartcooxbrain



Joined: 10 Aug 2013

PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm actually in a similar boat as you. I have been teaching for almost a year now, and it's just not my piece of cake. It's good money, especially compared to what I'd be doing/making in the States, but there's just so much B.S. that goes on in the hagwons...

Anyway, since I'm fluent in Korean, I've been able to branch out to Korean job search sites like Saramin (a great starting place if you have enough Korean skills to navigate around that site) and there are TONS of jobs out there that require "native-like" English skills. However, like many of the others have said, they are mostly in specialized
fields--I've been seeing a lot of positions in the IT field, like network support or game database management. Also, even if you do qualify for a particular job, this doesn't mean that an employer is going to choose a foreigner over a Korean.

It's not just the English teaching sector that's flooded. The non-teaching sectors are just as flooded with highly educated and self-sacrificing Koreans who will work for less pay(remember, a lot of Koreans still live with their parents until they are married. This means that they don't have to pay for housing, which can get exorbitant depending on the area, as well as being exempt from having to pay utilities and food, which makes a lower salary more affordable) than a foreigner with half the risk. If a company hires a foreigner, it would seem more likely to the employer that the foreigner will go back to his home country after a short period of time, compared to a Korean, who will probably bury his bones at the company, as long as he was satisfied with the work conditions.

In addition, if a position looks good to you, it probably looks good to other people, too. So everyone is going after the same positions. I saw on position entry-level position open for Hyundai and there were over 1000 applicants in a matter of days.

If you are of Asian descent, I would suggest getting a TOEIC score, and if possible, a similar standardized proof of your fluency in Korean. The way most Korean job applications go, is an initial qualifications review in which they review your cover letter, resume and all standardized test scores in relevant subjects. Many companies explicitly ask that you submit standardized test scores. Even if you speak perfect English, you might not get past the initial qualifications review since you don't have the minimum requirements (i.e. TOEIC, TOEFL, or OPIK test results) to get to the next round.

I hope my findings/suggestions have been helpful--and good luck to you!
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