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wes1989
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 Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:49 pm Post subject: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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So I am planning on going to Korea and finding a job when I get there. I have all my documents ready just need to book my ticket and look for a hostel.
My question is are most schools/people purchasing round tickets with open/flexible return dates or do most people just get 2 one way tickets? I am trying to figure out the details of open return but just curious how most people do it. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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So I am planning on going to Korea and finding a job when I get there. I have all my documents ready just need to book my ticket and look for a hostel.
My question is are most schools/people purchasing round tickets with open/flexible return dates or do most people just get 2 one way tickets? I am trying to figure out the details of open return but just curious how most people do it. |
Unless you plan to eat the cost of your ticket in this is probably not a great idea. Employers usually DON'T pay for the ticket if you are already here (since they have to pay for a visa run as well).
IF you are willing (or desperate enough) to pay your own way in then the best choice would be to get a ticket to Japan dated about 60 days from your arrival in Korea (it satisfies the onward passage for visa waived travel to Korea and you will need it for your visa run anyway.)
One year, open return tickets only work if you know you will be leaving for home within the year unless you want to have an escape plan prepaid and are willing to lose it if you decide to stay.
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maximmm
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| Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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So I am planning on going to Korea and finding a job when I get there. I have all my documents ready just need to book my ticket and look for a hostel.
My question is are most schools/people purchasing round tickets with open/flexible return dates or do most people just get 2 one way tickets? I am trying to figure out the details of open return but just curious how most people do it. |
Most people come to Korea with E-2 visa and a job contract in hand. For that reason, they are usually required to have only one one-way ticket. |
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wes1989
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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| wes1989 wrote: |
So I am planning on going to Korea and finding a job when I get there. I have all my documents ready just need to book my ticket and look for a hostel.
My question is are most schools/people purchasing round tickets with open/flexible return dates or do most people just get 2 one way tickets? I am trying to figure out the details of open return but just curious how most people do it. |
Unless you plan to eat the cost of your ticket in this is probably not a great idea. Employers usually DON'T pay for the ticket if you are already here (since they have to pay for a visa run as well).
IF you are willing (or desperate enough) to pay your own way in then the best choice would be to get a ticket to Japan dated about 60 days from your arrival in Korea (it satisfies the onward passage for visa waived travel to Korea and you will need it for your visa run anyway.)
One year, open return tickets only work if you know you will be leaving for home within the year unless you want to have an escape plan prepaid and are willing to lose it if you decide to stay.
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hmm I don't mind eating my way in to Korea too much if it means being able to check out places. To be honest I don't like the idea of putting my fate in the hands of a recruiter. I like to do things myself. But I would rather cover the Visa run myself and try to negotiate a % of my flight into Korea if I can. There is a chance I can stay with my girlfriend in Fukuoka which would eliminate hotel/hostel cost. My girlfriend using a Japanese website shows round trip japan-korea tickets are like $150 however I think the flight has to start in Japan. I am trying to figure out of there is a Korean site that has similar priced tickets, English sites I have seen so far are like $350~. If all it is going to cost is $150 to do a visa run then it doesn't seem fair for an employer to cover that cost and call it even instead of a $900 ticket in. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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| hmm I don't mind eating my way in to Korea too much if it means being able to check out places. To be honest I don't like the idea of putting my fate in the hands of a recruiter. I like to do things myself. But I would rather cover the Visa run myself and try to negotiate a % of my flight into Korea if I can. There is a chance I can stay with my girlfriend in Fukuoka which would eliminate hotel/hostel cost. My girlfriend using a Japanese website shows round trip japan-korea tickets are like $150 however I think the flight has to start in Japan. I am trying to figure out of there is a Korean site that has similar priced tickets, English sites I have seen so far are like $350~. If all it is going to cost is $150 to do a visa run then it doesn't seem fair for an employer to cover that cost and call it even instead of a $900 ticket in. |
LOL... that was just humorous.
If an employer can save $900 on the ticket by paying for a cheap run to Japan, why do you think they would give it to you unless you have a degree from Harvard, a CELTA and 10 years of experience to advertise on their wall?
I hate to break it to you but you are just more fresh meat for the grinder just like every other newbie fleeing the US and looking for a job.
Every buy a car? Using a recruiter is no different.
They are an introduction to a potential employer that you yourself would not otherwise be able to find.
Then, if they are any good at their job, they guide you through the placement and assist with the paperwork necessary to get you as far as the employer.
They are like a used car salesman.
You walk onto their car-lot (website), peruse the cars (available jobs), if you see one you like you inquire about it.
After you listen to the sales pitch you let YOUR mechanic have a look at it (due diligence checking out the school).
If it is all good then you make the offer (accept the contract) and complete the sale (begin the paperwork for your visa application).
A good salesman will ensure that the paperwork is in order to make the sale and allow you to register the car. (A good recruiter will make sure your paperwork is in order and help get you through the paperwork to get your visa.)
I have no problem with using a recruiter or telling anyone else to use one (or more the case, many). They are your best option for fining the BEST fit when it comes to a job in Korea (or most of Asia for that matter).
For someone who is abroad, no connections and no ability to communicate in Korean then recruiters are a necessary evil.
That doesn't mean it is a crap shoot.
ALL recruiters are good. All recruiters are bad.
BUT they are a bridge to a job that you would not otherwise find.
They are NOT your friend.
They do NOT work for you (they are paid for and work for the employer).
The trick is in understanding what they are and what they do then understanding that due diligence is YOUR responsibility BEFORE you sign on the dotted line.
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wes1989
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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| wes1989 wrote: |
So I am planning on going to Korea and finding a job when I get there. I have all my documents ready just need to book my ticket and look for a hostel.
My question is are most schools/people purchasing round tickets with open/flexible return dates or do most people just get 2 one way tickets? I am trying to figure out the details of open return but just curious how most people do it. |
Most people come to Korea with E-2 visa and a job contract in hand. For that reason, they are usually required to have only one one-way ticket. |
What do you mean required? Is there some rule that says you can't posses a return ticket when applying for a visa or something? |
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wes1989
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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| hmm I don't mind eating my way in to Korea too much if it means being able to check out places. To be honest I don't like the idea of putting my fate in the hands of a recruiter. I like to do things myself. But I would rather cover the Visa run myself and try to negotiate a % of my flight into Korea if I can. There is a chance I can stay with my girlfriend in Fukuoka which would eliminate hotel/hostel cost. My girlfriend using a Japanese website shows round trip japan-korea tickets are like $150 however I think the flight has to start in Japan. I am trying to figure out of there is a Korean site that has similar priced tickets, English sites I have seen so far are like $350~. If all it is going to cost is $150 to do a visa run then it doesn't seem fair for an employer to cover that cost and call it even instead of a $900 ticket in. |
LOL... that was just humorous.
If an employer can save $900 on the ticket by paying for a cheap run to Japan, why do you think they would give it to you unless you have a degree from Harvard, a CELTA and 10 years of experience to advertise on their wall?
I hate to break it to you but you are just more fresh meat for the grinder just like every other newbie fleeing the US and looking for a job.
Every buy a car? Using a recruiter is no different.
They are an introduction to a potential employer that you yourself would not otherwise be able to find.
Then, if they are any good at their job, they guide you through the placement and assist with the paperwork necessary to get you as far as the employer.
They are like a used car salesman.
You walk onto their car-lot (website), peruse the cars (available jobs), if you see one you like you inquire about it.
After you listen to the sales pitch you let YOUR mechanic have a look at it (due diligence checking out the school).
If it is all good then you make the offer (accept the contract) and complete the sale (begin the paperwork for your visa application).
A good salesman will ensure that the paperwork is in order to make the sale and allow you to register the car. (A good recruiter will make sure your paperwork is in order and help get you through the paperwork to get your visa.)
I have no problem with using a recruiter or telling anyone else to use one (or more the case, many). They are your best option for fining the BEST fit when it comes to a job in Korea (or most of Asia for that matter).
For someone who is abroad, no connections and no ability to communicate in Korean then recruiters are a necessary evil.
That doesn't mean it is a crap shoot.
ALL recruiters are good. All recruiters are bad.
BUT they are a bridge to a job that you would not otherwise find.
They are NOT your friend.
They do NOT work for you (they are paid for and work for the employer).
The trick is in understanding what they are and what they do then understanding that due diligence is YOUR responsibility BEFORE you sign on the dotted line.
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If I know my visa run is only going to cost $150~ how is it logical for me to give up $900 for $150. Would you do that? Anybody who does is just ruining the market.
I plan to do my due diligence by going there first (sitting in the car and revving the engine a little bit). But if I say listen if you go with someone abroad you're going to pay $900 for their ticket in + a recruiter fee, just give me $500 and you will save $500. I think that is a respectable offer. |
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munybse
Joined: 24 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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| hmm I don't mind eating my way in to Korea too much if it means being able to check out places. To be honest I don't like the idea of putting my fate in the hands of a recruiter. I like to do things myself. But I would rather cover the Visa run myself and try to negotiate a % of my flight into Korea if I can. There is a chance I can stay with my girlfriend in Fukuoka which would eliminate hotel/hostel cost. My girlfriend using a Japanese website shows round trip japan-korea tickets are like $150 however I think the flight has to start in Japan. I am trying to figure out of there is a Korean site that has similar priced tickets, English sites I have seen so far are like $350~. If all it is going to cost is $150 to do a visa run then it doesn't seem fair for an employer to cover that cost and call it even instead of a $900 ticket in. |
LOL... that was just humorous.
If an employer can save $900 on the ticket by paying for a cheap run to Japan, why do you think they would give it to you unless you have a degree from Harvard, a CELTA and 10 years of experience to advertise on their wall?
I hate to break it to you but you are just more fresh meat for the grinder just like every other newbie fleeing the US and looking for a job.
Every buy a car? Using a recruiter is no different.
They are an introduction to a potential employer that you yourself would not otherwise be able to find.
Then, if they are any good at their job, they guide you through the placement and assist with the paperwork necessary to get you as far as the employer.
They are like a used car salesman.
You walk onto their car-lot (website), peruse the cars (available jobs), if you see one you like you inquire about it.
After you listen to the sales pitch you let YOUR mechanic have a look at it (due diligence checking out the school).
If it is all good then you make the offer (accept the contract) and complete the sale (begin the paperwork for your visa application).
A good salesman will ensure that the paperwork is in order to make the sale and allow you to register the car. (A good recruiter will make sure your paperwork is in order and help get you through the paperwork to get your visa.)
I have no problem with using a recruiter or telling anyone else to use one (or more the case, many). They are your best option for fining the BEST fit when it comes to a job in Korea (or most of Asia for that matter).
For someone who is abroad, no connections and no ability to communicate in Korean then recruiters are a necessary evil.
That doesn't mean it is a crap shoot.
ALL recruiters are good. All recruiters are bad.
BUT they are a bridge to a job that you would not otherwise find.
They are NOT your friend.
They do NOT work for you (they are paid for and work for the employer).
The trick is in understanding what they are and what they do then understanding that due diligence is YOUR responsibility BEFORE you sign on the dotted line.
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If I know my visa run is only going to cost $150~ how is it logical for me to give up $900 for $150. Would you do that? Anybody who does is just ruining the market.
I plan to do my due diligence by going there first (sitting in the car and revving the engine a little bit). But if I say listen if you go with someone abroad you're going to pay $900 for their ticket in + a recruiter fee, just give me $500 and you will save $500. I think that is a respectable offer. |
You've obviously not dealt with many Koreans - ttompatz is spot on as he is pretty much every time.
Good luck |
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le-paul
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when you do come here and you find a job, stay for a while, move to a new position in a couple of years, I would stick my neck out here and say your advice to any newbies, will be exactly the same as ttompatz has just given you.
Realistically, you're not saving anyone any money because if they don't hire you, they'll hire someone else. Thats like asking for a discount because you're prepared to pay more for a second hand car than another person.
If youre talking about ruining the market, the simple fact is, the market is like any other - supply and demand. The market has evolved to a place where these days, many private (and some public) schools recruit directly using foreign teachers who are leaving. They advertise on Facebook etc. to find a replacement teacher. The schools save money that way and its simpler to to transfer visas. If you're already in korea, its very desirable and easier to find work. Most people are switched onto that now.
Most people here can see that recruiters are choking the market and negotiating ridiculous deals with low pay and lesser and lesser benefits (eg airfare).
Thats simply how it is. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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So I am planning on going to Korea and finding a job when I get there. I have all my documents ready just need to book my ticket and look for a hostel.
My question is are most schools/people purchasing round tickets with open/flexible return dates or do most people just get 2 one way tickets? I am trying to figure out the details of open return but just curious how most people do it. |
Unless you plan to eat the cost of your ticket in this is probably not a great idea. Employers usually DON'T pay for the ticket if you are already here (since they have to pay for a visa run as well).
IF you are willing (or desperate enough) to pay your own way in then the best choice would be to get a ticket to Japan dated about 60 days from your arrival in Korea (it satisfies the onward passage for visa waived travel to Korea and you will need it for your visa run anyway.)
One year, open return tickets only work if you know you will be leaving for home within the year unless you want to have an escape plan prepaid and are willing to lose it if you decide to stay.
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hmm I don't mind eating my way in to Korea too much if it means being able to check out places. To be honest I don't like the idea of putting my fate in the hands of a recruiter. I like to do things myself. But I would rather cover the Visa run myself and try to negotiate a % of my flight into Korea if I can. There is a chance I can stay with my girlfriend in Fukuoka which would eliminate hotel/hostel cost. My girlfriend using a Japanese website shows round trip japan-korea tickets are like $150 however I think the flight has to start in Japan. I am trying to figure out of there is a Korean site that has similar priced tickets, English sites I have seen so far are like $350~. If all it is going to cost is $150 to do a visa run then it doesn't seem fair for an employer to cover that cost and call it even instead of a $900 ticket in. |
They will never give you any portion of the money you spent to get to Korea.
They will probably not give you cash to make a visa run. What they WILL do is pay for your flight to Japan and they will pay for it directly to the airline. (They need company receipts for everything.)
You can kiss the ticket to Korea from your home country goodbye if you choose to purchace it yourself.
Finding a job without a recruiter is also not recommended. They will help you a LOT. Also, you'll have more choices as to where you want to work as
most employeers list their vacancies exclusively through recruiters and don't post them on the boards.
Finding a job without getting your visa first is also not recommended. If, by chance, the government decided to deny one of your documents because they think it is faked or their having a bad day or they change the regulations or..., then you are SOL while you pay for a room to rent and wait a few weeks for a replacement document from back home. Or, worst case, you have to eat the cost of both tickets when you are forced to fly home for whatever reason.
This is not to mention the fact that you'll be in the country illegally because, on a tourist visa, you should not be looking for work. That's fraud. |
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wings
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| An open return is generally only valid for 1 year. If you come here first and then find a job your return will already have expired by the time you finish your contract. |
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CP
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FRAUD:
Since when has it become fraud to LOOK for a job? Yes, it's illegal if you work on a tourist visa but looking? Why do you think people do visa runs to Japan, because they found a job and need to change their tourist visa to a work visa. If this was fraud the prisons would be filled with loads of foreigners.
RECRUITERS: I have to disagree with a few posters regarding this matter. Yes, having a recruiter can help you find a job or make a connection with someone you might never have been able to on your own. However, there are also plenty of jobs out there where you can deal directly with the schools. Use the recruiter only to the point where it gets you what you want. You don't have any obligation to them nor do they to you, so just follow your brain.
FLIGHTS: If you want to come on your own, I suggest that you purchase a one way - the return portion could expire before you have a chance to use it. As another poster said you will not likely be re-imbursed for this.
VISA: If you are coming here without a job I strongly recommend that you get the new D10 visa before even coming to Korea. This will open a lot of doors for you and possibly save you a lot of future headaches and frustrations. This visa would enable you to look for work. Once you find the job you want it's easy to change it to a working E-2 visa, with no extra costs to you or the school. |
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War Eagle
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:44 am Post subject: Re: ??? |
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| FRAUD:Since when has it become fraud to LOOK for a job? Yes, it's illegal if you work on a tourist visa but looking? Why do you think people do visa runs to Japan, because they found a job and need to change their tourist visa to a work visa. If this was fraud the prisons would be filled with loads of foreigners. |
Because before they issue you a visa, they ask you: What is your purpose for visiting Korea?
If you tell them you are here as a tourist, then you get a tourist visa and are NOT allowed to look for work on a tourist visa. If you do look for work, you are commiting fraud. You lied about the reason you were entering the country.
If you tell them you are here looking for work, they will tell you to go home. You cannot come to Korea looking for work.
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| VISA: If you are coming here without a job I strongly recommend that you get the new D10 visa before even coming to Korea. This will open a lot of doors for you and possibly save you a lot of future headaches and frustrations. This visa would enable you to look for work. Once you find the job you want it's easy to change it to a working E-2 visa, with no extra costs to you or the school. |
I am pretty sure you can only get a D-10 visa when switching FROM an existing working visa. It's not for first timers. I could be wrong about this though.
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Who can apply for a D10 Visa?
Anyone who has previously taught one year in Korea can apply for the D10 Visa, also known as the ‘job-seekers’ Visa. For example, if you’ve finished your contract and want to stay in Korea to teach for another year, but haven’t lined up another job, then you’re a perfect candidate for the D10. |
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CP
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Wow - are you really going to stick with this fraud story?
Please explain how so many people have come here on tourist visas over the last 2-3 decades and have been able to find work here, successfully apply for a work visa with immigration while on a tourist visa and then go to another country for a visa run to change the tourist visa to a working visa? If it was fraud how is this possible?
As for getting a D10 visa outside of Korea all you have to do is meet one of the following requirements on the list and apply for it the same way as you would an E-2 (minus the employer of course).
http://www.koreanconsulate.on.ca/en/?b_id=77&c_id=724&mnu=a02b03&start=1 |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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| wes1989 wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
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So I am planning on going to Korea and finding a job when I get there. I have all my documents ready just need to book my ticket and look for a hostel.
My question is are most schools/people purchasing round tickets with open/flexible return dates or do most people just get 2 one way tickets? I am trying to figure out the details of open return but just curious how most people do it. |
Most people come to Korea with E-2 visa and a job contract in hand. For that reason, they are usually required to have only one one-way ticket. |
What do you mean required? Is there some rule that says you can't posses a return ticket when applying for a visa or something? |
You can possess a return ticket. No problem. It's just potentially a waste of money since it would probably only be valid for one year, whereas the contract you sign would likely end after that year is up. |
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