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PatrickGHBusan

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:23 am Post subject:

edwardcatflap wrote:

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In Seoul I think? There was a thread on it on this forum, which is where I found out about it, accompanied by the video of the two people's attempts to get help, but now as I try to click on the video, it tells me, "This video is unavailable."

I wonder what Patrick Busan's reaction to this would be. Just individuals, no reflection of society as a whole or the same thing would happen in any country etc... etc..?

The main difference between you and me on these issues Ed is that I just prefer to be mroe careful about drawing large scale conclusions on societies and societal issues. You get there faster and thats fine.

The thing that is interesting is that you seem to feel the need to "convert" others to your point of view or to get them to admit you are "right" on whatever issue you are discussing. This to me is not a confrontation or a debate club contest, it is a discussion where people shoud be able to voice their opinions and sometimes agree to disagree like adults.

I do not wish to convert you to my view on things nor to "win" or be "right". I just voice my opinion on things based on my experiences.

For example, if you asked my wife how she perceives Canada in terms of racism and prejudice, she would certainly have things to say that would shock / surprise you. Much like I had things to say to her about Korea and racism while we lived there. She was surprised by a lot of what I had to say.

So again, I am quite certain this was not the answer you were looking for and in fact I suspect you were not looking for an answer at all but rather for yet another chance to take a shot because "the way I argue or post annoys you".

Cheers.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:23 am Post subject:

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He is not saying that at all, he is saying that racism gets tackled and there are actual laws against being a racist.

First off, racism DOES get tackled here. Look at the incident with Youman. Look at the efforts in the Korean school system to prevent racism against children of foreign brides.

Also, the US, chief sponsor of the ROK, has ZERO laws against racism. It DOES have laws against discrimination. Same as Korea.

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I don't see that as apologising for racism at all

Then you are blind and biased. Racism "back home" is not such a big deal because at least we tackle it. Note there is no condemnation of it. No shame over it. Only a mitigating clause attached. "But at least we try to fight it".

Except Koreans do confront it as well.

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Nobody would do that at all, people would say 'about bloody time too' Who wants to listen to some halfwit yabber on about pure bloodlines, Korean manual dexterity and gets offended because you state that kimchi stinks of shit?

Are you saying Koreans haven't apologized over racist portrayals?

edwardcatflap

Joined: 22 Mar 2009

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:17 pm Post subject:

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Yes you're right. I read and answer posts on here to exercise my mind by forming and countering arguments. Sometimes I get, or pass on, useful
information but mostly it's about confrontation. If I want the kind of discussion where nobody wants to offend anyone I'll join my mates in the pub. Quite often, as in the case of this topic I don't personally have any strong feelings on the subject either way.

You seem to have two agendas for posting. Firstly to counter any direct criticisms of Korea and praise those who defend it and secondly to show everyone what a caring, responsible, generally wonderful person you are. You try to achieve this by refusing to pass judgement on anything but the most uncontroversial subjects, choosing to answer more general questions as opposed to the specific ones posed (as you did with me in this topic) and spouting platitudes under the guise of amazing insight. You remind me so much of a modern day politician

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject:

Scorpion wrote:

There are racists everywhere, but here's the difference. It Western countries it ruffles feathers and there's a backlash. For every Rush Limbaugh there's a John Stewart. For every racist there's five people calling him out on it. The public school system targets intolerance, as do labour unions and universities. Here there is a notable absence of outrage.

In the States we recently had that stupid 'Asian Girlz' video. It caused so much outrage that it was taken down from youtube and the band's name is now dirt. The Asiana incident where the tv station made a joke about the pilots' names?. Four senior producers were fired. But in Korea racist programming goes on and on and noone seems bothered by it. Psy can rant about 'kojangee', MBC can make hateful documentaries, immigration imposes xenophonic visa rules, black people get depicted as savages in commercials...and nobody bats an eye. That is a fundamental difference.

But apologists will be apologists. Confused

Systemic racism in the United States is wide-spread and pernicious. In 2010, Congress passed a bill which lowered the sentencing guideline disparity between crack cocaine and powder cocaine from 100:1 to 18:1. Why did Congress not lower it to 1:1? As you can imagine, a large majority of crack cocaine arrests are African-American.

In the mid-sized Midwestern city I now live in, housing values in the African-American districts are totally underwater. Meanwhile, housing values in the wealthier areas remain fairly robust.

I could go on and on. In America, there is a lot more awareness in terms of racial attitudes and politeness and racial civility, etc. But it has almost no practical effect on the deep, systemic disparities. So, it is really all ephemera.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:10 pm Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

In the mid-sized Midwestern city I now live in, housing values in the African-American districts are totally underwater. Meanwhile, housing values in the wealthier areas remain fairly robust.

Is that racism, or is it rationality? Not everything that has a disparate outcome is racist. You know the crime statistics as well as anyone else, so why is concern for your family -- concern for isolating them from being one of those statistics -- automatically racism?

byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:34 pm Post subject:

edwardcatflap wrote:

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The person posting under the PatrickGHBusan username over on the Shanghai Expat forums is a little different than what we get here. When I came across that username on ShEx and saw the posts made, I thought, nah can't be the same person, right?

augustine

Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject:

byrddogs wrote:

When I came across that username on ShEx and saw the posts made, I thought, nah can't be the same person, right?

That's hilarious and awesome. Clearly a character worthy of international mockery if there ever was one. Wink

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:08 am Post subject:

Fox wrote:

Kuros wrote:

In the mid-sized Midwestern city I now live in, housing values in the African-American districts are totally underwater. Meanwhile, housing values in the wealthier areas remain fairly robust.

Call it what you like, there is a disparity and it cuts along racial lines.

I am not blaming affluent whites or whoever else for living in the eastern district. This city even voluntarily instituted a desegregation school busing program. I am blaming the system, which includes banks, appraisers, mortgage brokers, gov't investor agencies, etc., for causing and perpetuating the disparity.

Leon

Joined: 31 May 2010

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:50 am Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

Fox wrote:

Kuros wrote:

In the mid-sized Midwestern city I now live in, housing values in the African-American districts are totally underwater. Meanwhile, housing values in the wealthier areas remain fairly robust.

I think part of it is that when you concentrate poverty into small areas in a city it creates a culture of poverty where the only people you know are poor, and where crime and hopelessness are more likely to occur. The difference between urban and rural poverty is in the amount of concentration, also blacks, regardless of social class, are more likely to have impoverished neighbors than whites, again regardless of social class.

I think that the diffusion of poverty, rather than the concentration in big ghettos would help address these problems, and without bringing the crime associated with the ghetto with the people moving out of it.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/08/hard-data-proves-housing-vouchers-dont-cause-crime/6404/

Who's Your Daddy?

Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

Fox wrote:

Kuros wrote:

In the mid-sized Midwestern city I now live in, housing values in the African-American districts are totally underwater. Meanwhile, housing values in the wealthier areas remain fairly robust.

How about blaming the criminals?

I think the root of the problem is so many kids are growing up without a father.

" In 2010, 40.8% of all births were to unmarried mothers. Among Hispanics that figure was 53%, and among blacks 73%. "

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21569433-americas-marriage-rate-falling-and-its-out-wedlock-birth-rate-soaring-fraying

World Traveler

Joined: 29 May 2009

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject:

Exactly. America needs to tackle the problem of births out of wedlock. People who shouldn't be having children having children is the single greatest perpetuator of crime and poverty in America. It disgusts me.

PatrickGHBusan

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:56 am Post subject:

edwardcatflap wrote:

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I have no agenda when it comes to posting, sorry to dissapoint you there. I know you are dead certain I have one but that is truly your perception.

I am not trying to show anyone anything. I post honestly and voice my opinions based on my experiences, outlook and way of thinking.

I do have a question for you because you do this so often (toss out grand statements to make you appear wise)..

Pray tell Ed, just what is A MODERN POLITICIAN? What differenciates him or her from a NON-MODERN POLITICIAN (or a politician from the past)?

This is interesting, it really is.

As for judgement, it is quite easy to pass judgement and it pretty self gratifying to do so. Reserving judgement because you prefer to think things through or do not like to see things through a black-white / right - wrong lense takes longer and requires a bit more thinking. I can see that you prefer to work with big crayons and bright colors which is fine Ed.

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PatrickGHBusan

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:59 am Post subject:

byrddogs wrote:

edwardcatflap wrote:

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That must be because I do not post or have an account at that particular forum...go figure. In fact, to reassure you byrd, I do not have accounts on any other expat forums, I do not see the need. I do read a few of them however and have come accross quite a few Homer / PGHB accounts made by "fans" or deluded people. Most are good for a laugh.

I will make sure to visit that Shanghai Expat forum however, thanks for the heads up byrd.

PatrickGHBusan

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:00 am Post subject:

augustine wrote:

byrddogs wrote:

When I came across that username on ShEx and saw the posts made, I thought, nah can't be the same person, right?

That's hilarious and awesome. Clearly a character worthy of international mockery if there ever was one. Wink

Now thats better Aug, you are returning to form, working in pack like usual. Glad to see that. You had me worried you have the guts to act on your own for a second but I see ganging up on someone is indeed your particular cup of tea.

augustine

Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:22 am Post subject:

PatrickGHBusan wrote:

augustine wrote:

byrddogs wrote:

When I came across that username on ShEx and saw the posts made, I thought, nah can't be the same person, right?

That's hilarious and awesome. Clearly a character worthy of international mockery if there ever was one. Wink

What pack or posse do I belong to? That's so ridiculous you clown, like I'm gaining an audience here by criticizing your dumb posts. Reality is, it seems as though the majority on here don't like you and wish you would stop posting on here. But the last time I criticized you, I got negative feedback for using your real name. Quite the posse, guts and pack like behavior I have going here. You, on the other hand, are infamous for ganging up on people with the usual suspects, so stop trying to play the victim card poon Patty.

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