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wes1989
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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 Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| wes1989 wrote: |
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So I am planning on going to Korea and finding a job when I get there. I have all my documents ready just need to book my ticket and look for a hostel.
My question is are most schools/people purchasing round tickets with open/flexible return dates or do most people just get 2 one way tickets? I am trying to figure out the details of open return but just curious how most people do it. |
Most people come to Korea with E-2 visa and a job contract in hand. For that reason, they are usually required to have only one one-way ticket. |
What do you mean required? Is there some rule that says you can't posses a return ticket when applying for a visa or something? |
You can possess a return ticket. No problem. It's just potentially a waste of money since it would probably only be valid for one year, whereas the contract you sign would likely end after that year is up. |
Yea it was just me brainstorming. I was thinking to use the return to go home during my summer vacation but since it is usually just 1 week in the summer it is not worth it. Most likely won't buy open return. But thanks for clearing up the fact that there is no rule. |
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wes1989
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Realistically, you're not saving anyone any money because if they don't hire you, they'll hire someone else. Thats like asking for a discount because you're prepared to pay more for a second hand car than another person.
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Employer is considering 2 candidates: Sally who lives $900 away and me who lives next door for $500. Who is cheaper? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| wes1989 wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
Realistically, you're not saving anyone any money because if they don't hire you, they'll hire someone else. Thats like asking for a discount because you're prepared to pay more for a second hand car than another person.
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Employer is considering 2 candidates: Sally who lives $900 away and me who lives next door for $500. Who is cheaper? |
The 3rd or 4th candidate who is also there and willing to work for just the visa run airfare cost or better yet, 50k won for a visa transfer.
You are nothing special and you are applying North American logic to something out of context (this ain't home). There is no shortage of American economic refugees looking for work in Korea or taking work to stay in Korea rather than return home.
Oh, and they will take Sally over Wes any day of the week even if it does cost $900 more.
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wes1989
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| wes1989 wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
Realistically, you're not saving anyone any money because if they don't hire you, they'll hire someone else. Thats like asking for a discount because you're prepared to pay more for a second hand car than another person.
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Employer is considering 2 candidates: Sally who lives $900 away and me who lives next door for $500. Who is cheaper? |
The 3rd or 4th candidate who is also there and willing to work for just the visa run airfare cost or better yet, 50k won for a visa transfer.
You are nothing special and you are applying North American logic to something out of context (this ain't home). There is no shortage of American economic refugees looking for work in Korea or taking work to stay in Korea rather than return home.
Oh, and they will take Sally over Wes any day of the week even if it does cost $900 more.
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Then why bring anyone over anymore?
Don't worry in 2 months you will be able to say "I told you so"  |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Then why bring anyone over anymore?
Don't worry in 2 months you will be able to say "I told you so" |
Because far too many hagwons and hagwon chains have reputations that are so bad they can't hire locally. They have to import new meat for the grinder.
Those who do have decent reputations can have their pick of local hires...
and I won't say I told you so.
Kids Club, SLP and Wonderland are always hiring.
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Wow - are you really going to stick with this fraud story?
Please explain how so many people have come here on tourist visas over the last 2-3 decades and have been able to find work here, successfully apply for a work visa with immigration while on a tourist visa and then go to another country for a visa run to change the tourist visa to a working visa? If it was fraud how is this possible? |
It's not that hard of a concept to figure out. Think for a sec or god forbid you look on the internet to find the answer. Don't be think-headed.
Korean Immigration Website
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It is unlawful to hire, recommend, or arrange for hiring of foreigners who don't have appropriate visa status, and doing so is punishable offence under the Immigration Act.
Visa statuses that allow employment are as follows.
Short term employment (C-4), Professorship (E-1), Foreign Language Instructor (E-2), Research (E-3), Technology Transfer (E-4), Professional Employment (E-5), Arts & Performances (E-6), Special Occupations (E-7), Employed Trainee (E- , Non-professional Employment (E-9), Vessel Crew (E-10), Residency (F-2), Overseas Koreans (F-4), Permanent Residency (F-5), Working Holiday (H-1) |
The tourist visa is NOT on that list. You must apply for a work visa from OUTSIDE Korea. It's illegal to do it in the country. That's the whole reason people have to do visa runs.
And just because it's illegal to LOOK for work while in Korea on a tourist visa doesn't mean people don't still do it.
On top of that it is against Dave's policy to talk about illegal activities on the boards.
You are correct. If he happens to be one of the 1% or less of ESL teachers who are either an expert in their field with 5 years + exp. from a world top 300 company or graduated from a top 200 uni in the world in the last 3 years then yes, I suppose in that case he could get a D-10 visa  |
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wes1989
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| War Eagle wrote: |
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Wow - are you really going to stick with this fraud story?
Please explain how so many people have come here on tourist visas over the last 2-3 decades and have been able to find work here, successfully apply for a work visa with immigration while on a tourist visa and then go to another country for a visa run to change the tourist visa to a working visa? If it was fraud how is this possible? |
It's not that hard of a concept to figure out. Think for a sec or god forbid you look on the internet to find the answer. Don't be think-headed.
Korean Immigration Website
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It is unlawful to hire, recommend, or arrange for hiring of foreigners who don't have appropriate visa status, and doing so is punishable offence under the Immigration Act.
Visa statuses that allow employment are as follows.
Short term employment (C-4), Professorship (E-1), Foreign Language Instructor (E-2), Research (E-3), Technology Transfer (E-4), Professional Employment (E-5), Arts & Performances (E-6), Special Occupations (E-7), Employed Trainee (E-, Non-professional Employment (E-9), Vessel Crew (E-10), Residency (F-2), Overseas Koreans (F-4), Permanent Residency (F-5), Working Holiday (H-1) |
The tourist visa is NOT on that list. You must apply for a work visa from OUTSIDE Korea. It's illegal to do it in the country. That's the whole reason people have to do visa runs.
And just because it's illegal to LOOK for work while in Korea on a tourist visa doesn't mean people don't still do it.
On top of that it is against Dave's policy to talk about illegal activities on the boards.
You are correct. If he happens to be one of the 1% or less of ESL teachers who are either an expert in their field with 5 years + exp. from a world top 300 company or graduated from a top 200 uni in the world in the last 3 years then yes, I suppose in that case he could get a D-10 visa |
Yea I called the office today, I can apply for D10 before going to Korea and without a previous year of teaching in Korea. And yes I did graduate from one of the top 200 universities so looks like I am going to try and get a D10 then come to Korea. |
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CP
Joined: 18 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:03 pm Post subject: Thick Headed? |
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Holy smoke - do you have a stick up your butt?
Saying this is an illegal conversation about illegal activities and should be banned on Dave's. Wow!! If it is why hasn't it been removed by the administrators?
Your quote from immigration is in regards to actually physically working somewhere, not looking for work. You need to read carefully.
The way you are reading it is that no one can look for, apply for or even get a job unless they already have one of those visas. If you already have an E-Visa you don't need to look for work, as you already have one.
Ok - lets' say in theory you are right please answer the question you ignored before.
How is it possible that so many people have come here on tourist visas over the last 2-3 decades and have been able to find work here, successfully apply for a work visa with immigration while on a tourist visa and then go to another country for a visa run to change the tourist visa to a working visa? If it's illegal - HOW did they do this and get away with it?
Every person who has done this should have had their application denied, fined, deported, or tossed in jail as soon as they contacted immigration. After all it's breaking the law to look for a job. Have you ever heard of this happening? I know I haven't.
As for the top 200 universities - lots of teachers in Korea have graduated from them. It's not as small a number as you seem to think. Once you get past the top 10 it's not that exclusive of a list.
I do appreciate the the fact that the original poster makes you look rather foolish right now, since he can actually apply for one. |
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Allthechildrenareinsane
Joined: 23 Jun 2011
Location: Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
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Oh boy -- looking forward to reading the OP's future posts once he's here.  |
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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: AsiaHaven
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| Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:07 am Post subject: Re: Type of ticket most are buying? Open Return or 2 1 ways? |
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| it doesn't seem fair for an employer to cover that cost and call it even instead of a $900 ticket in. |
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Honest to God, I'm already worried about your stay in Korea.
Life is not fair. Wait until you start working at your school. I can almost guarantee that you're going to need a lubricant.
I hope you have a good deal of money saved. just in case things turn out not to be fair. |
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