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irishjohn1986
Joined: 06 Nov 2012
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 Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:33 pm Post subject: Release letter info |
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So my school gave me a release letter for the end of this month. If I use it , is there any way they can prevent it from working? For instance if they change their mind and they don't want me to leave
I'm working in a bad school, who has paid late 4 of the 6 months. They owe lots of people money so it seems like it is a good idea to get out of there. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| You won't know unless you try. Don't try to outsmart immigration. Just do the paperwork and see what happens. Go in with a new school and don't involve your old school in any of this. |
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irishjohn1986
Joined: 06 Nov 2012
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I was thinking of going on a D-10 as it would give me more time to look for a decent job. I've came across too many bad school here. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I was thinking of going on a D-10 as it would give me more time to look for a decent job. I've came across too many bad school here. |
If I am not mistaken, you don't need a release letter if you have a D-10. The reason being, you are not transferring your E2 visa.
See http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=225071
I don't know about ARC issues, maybe you need to get that extended. Do you have a new address you can give them? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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IF the release is signed and has the schools dojang (red stamp) on it then you are good to go as of the effective release date.
If it is lacking the signature or stamp then you may run into problems changing to a D10 or an E2 transfer.
Yes, a LOR is needed for a D10 or an E2 transfer if there is a significant amount of time remaining on your ARC.
Not usually needed at the end of a contract.
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irishjohn1986
Joined: 06 Nov 2012
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Ok, So I might as well go into detail about my case. I have been working at the school for 7 months.I was hired through a former teacher who recommended the school. He lied to me about the school. I found out he is owed around 8 million and he is still in a labour board dispute with them.
I have seen so many Korean teachers leave because of no payment.I have been paid late 4 times, once they were 3 weeks late.The other times , they were 2 weeks late. After the fourth time, I had enough. I demanded a release letter every month which they wrote at the bottom of the " the letter will only become effective if the school has not paid on time". So they have paid on time the last 2 times because they know I will leave. So this month they forgot to write the note at the bottom, so it is tempting to use it. I know they will hate but the way they have treated me is pretty bad.I don't like screwing them over but I know they will screw me over at the end. And they have screwed over so many people.
I don't want to be in the position, where at the end they end they owe me my flight, last month, month in hand and severance pay. And I will have to go through a long winded case with the labour board. I know I will lose my month in hand so I will have worked a month for free but It would be fine if I can find a job here that treats their employees right.
Also I have yet to get health insurance. They haven't paid any pension and they seem to never pay my gas bill for some reason.
The release has the red stamp and the signature
I still havent made up my mind , what to do |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Use it. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, a LOR is needed for a D10 or an E2 transfer if there is a significant amount of time remaining on your ARC.
Not usually needed at the end of a contract. |
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| I have been working at the school for 7 months. |
I don't know what "end of contract means", 1 week, 1 month, 1 day? It sounds like as long as you are getting paid don't do anything now, just work and collect your pay if the job itself is ok (isn't that better than going through legal action?). It's good to have coin in the bank for when you are looking for a job. Look at your savings and determine if this is really a good time to jump ship. It looks like if you do now, you will need a release letter.
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| I demanded a release letter every month which they wrote at the bottom of the " the letter will only become effective if the school has not paid on time". |
I am not sure how effective this is. They gave you this at the beginning of each month you were about to work in?
How will immigration verify that you did not receive the money? In a legal sense you can add amendments to a contract, but what is the immigration officer going to do? Is it written in Korean and English? What if the officer thinks the school may have paid you and you are pulling a fast one to get out of a 30 day notice?
Personally, I wouldn't depend on this monthly letter. If the school was willing to release you, they would have with just one release letter. They probably know this is not going to go far.
I think you should decide to leave now if you have money and a place to go to or ride it out to the "end of the contract" and then you won't need the release letter. You can always take legal action after you leave. It's kinda messy working for the guy you are suing.
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| And I will have to go through a long winded case with the labour board. |
Right now, you can't go through a long winded case for severance and you can't expect it until you finish one year. If you are at the 7 month mark that means you have about 8/12 of your salary that could be yours. That's roughly 1,400,000 rmb.
That alone is enough for flight money. If you fight for the rest, add it up. I'd say wait. There is gold at the end of the rainbow. |
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irishjohn1986
Joined: 06 Nov 2012
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| Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I am leaning towards leaving. I have a place to stay as I live with my girlfriend. I don't live in the provided accommodation. I get paid for this month on Monday and my cash situation is ok.
Id hate to be in the situation of the former teacher. He is still trying to get his money. My original plan was finishing this contract and going home for a month with the gf but I can't really afford to do it comfortably unless I get paid at the end. I know they won't pay at the end. I've seen 7 teachers leave since I've been there because of payment issues. At the start, there was 5 Korean English teachers , now there is 2.
Anyways, to get to the point. I have a place to stay, my money situation is ok. I have a release letter with no writing at the bottom. My main issue is if the school can prevent the release letter from working.
I am going to go to Immgration on Thursday to verify that the letter will work. If I does work, my plan Would be to go on a d10 and look for a job straight away. As I've been told it is a good time to find a job.
In a perfect world , I'd love to finish the contract and my money. I can't see that happening
Ps this was typed on a phone so sorry for any mistakes |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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| I'd hate to be in the situation of the former teacher. He is still trying to get his money. |
I support your decision. I recently did the same, went to a second bad school, teachers there told me they were leaving and I shouldn't sign the contract and do the same. So, I am at a third waiting for September.
However, moneywise, you and I are in a worse situation than the former teacher. We can't collect on the money. It's true it is his money, but for me I chose to say goodbye to that money.
If you are willing to say goodbye to severance (1 month at ~2,100,000) months 9-12 (8,400,000), pension money (is that about 2,150,000?), and in your case housing allowance (stay low at 300,000/month = about 1,200,000 for months 9-12). I won't even calculate airfare cause there is no guarantee you will get cash. The other factors are easier to collect on.
The total is 13,850,000 won
If you can do without, that's your prerogative. You might want to look for a job soon following your departure, then you can cut that loss down to 5,450,000.
In that case you would be in a better situation than this former teacher, but right now if you leave you will be in a worse situation without a new job. In addition to that, you will be paying rent each month out of your own pocket (or saving no housing allowance).
I am spelling all this out, not necessarily for you, but myself and anyone else who doesn't think about the money side of things. Like I said, I left a school too, but I didn't plan on moving my stuff 3 times and paying my friend rent. It took some money out of my savings which I wish I could have avoided to get here. I still need to pick up some of my belongings. |
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