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Coming to Korea with small children
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

Depending on the Korean city or area that you guys will choose, you might be able to get assistance from local groups geared towards helping foreign families settle in Korea.
Busan had such a group, funded by the city, and while it was small, it offered a range of servives for families (including advice / info on daycare services).

Such groups might be able to point you guys in the right direction and answer some of your more precise questions!

I would also say that if you guys target Hakwons as potential employers that make sure to ask about the school policy on employee's kids attending. Some will offer this for free, others may not. Same deal if you target international schools. I know one IS in Busan offered free tuition to the dependants of their employees and had (not sure if they still do) and integrated pre-school / daycare so that might be an option too.

Each of these options could solve a lot of your issues.

I have asked my wife to contact some of her friends in Korea that have kids in daycare and will do the same on my side with those westerners who have kids I know who are still in Korea. If we come up with anything I will pm you guys for sure.

Good luck!
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

byrddogs,

I do not remember if you two have kids or not. If so, perhaps you could help the OP by sharing some information and facts that could be of use like cost of daycares, quality of daycares where you lived while in Korea, servives offered, schedule (hours of operation), availability. (either from your experiences or perhaps that of friends you had who had kids).

This could end up being of help for the OP.
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know is that sticking any child into Korean PS is just wrong. I taught at PS for five years ( yesterday was my last).
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

newb wrote:
All I know is that sticking any child into Korean PS is just wrong. I taught at PS for five years ( yesterday was my last).


Mind going into more detail about the wrong things you witnessed?
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
newb wrote:
All I know is that sticking any child into Korean PS is just wrong. I taught at PS for five years ( yesterday was my last).


Mind going into more detail about the wrong things you witnessed?


Bullying by other kid; constant slapping, pushing, punching, pinching, scratching, twisting, choking, etc. among students; bullying by teachers; lazy teachers; no teachers in the classroom due to frequent voluntary/forced business trips. There's more but ill stop here.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

newb wrote:
Bullying by other kid; constant slapping, pushing, punching, pinching, scratching, twisting, choking, etc. among students; bullying by teachers; lazy teachers; no teachers in the classroom due to frequent voluntary/forced business trips. There's more but ill stop here.


Sounds like most schools in the US, UK, Canada, NZ or Aus...

and the problem with Korean schools specifically is???

OP...

Bringing kids is not difficult. Lots of us have done it and lots have married abroad and had kids as well.

Like anything with kids, it takes some pre-planning and it wouldn't hurt if you had some savings as a plan-b.

It is also more expensive to be abroad with your kids/dependents. Your employer won't be paying for their visas, ARCs, flights, etc.

Schooling here isn't singularly poor or worse than home. At least Korea, unlike the US or UK, is in the top 10 for PISA scores. (No child left behind... the author of that certainly understood irony).

Daycare is available and 2nd/3rd language acquisition at a young age is significantly UN-traumatic.

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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
byrddogs,

I do not remember if you two have kids or not. If so, perhaps you could help the OP by sharing some information and facts that could be of use like cost of daycares, quality of daycares where you lived while in Korea, servives offered, schedule (hours of operation), availability. (either from your experiences or perhaps that of friends you had who had kids).

This could end up being of help for the OP.


You know what, I could do that, but I don't meet the criteria for the op and you are all over those things already. There would be no use in me reiterating.
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
newb wrote:
Bullying by other kid; constant slapping, pushing, punching, pinching, scratching, twisting, choking, etc. among students; bullying by teachers; lazy teachers; no teachers in the classroom due to frequent voluntary/forced business trips. There's more but ill stop here.


Sounds like most schools in the US, UK, Canada, NZ or Aus...

and the problem with Korean schools specifically is???

.


I knew someone will come back with that...

Multiply everything I said by 10.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

newb wrote:

I knew someone will come back with that...

Multiply everything I said by 10.


In a word.... Horseshit.

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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
newb wrote:

I knew someone will come back with that...

Multiply everything I said by 10.


In a word.... Horseshit.

.


In a word... If I had kids, I would not subject them to 'torture' in Korean PS. I'd put them in int'l school. I feel sorry for all students in Korean PS.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

byrddogs wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
byrddogs,

I do not remember if you two have kids or not. If so, perhaps you could help the OP by sharing some information and facts that could be of use like cost of daycares, quality of daycares where you lived while in Korea, servives offered, schedule (hours of operation), availability. (either from your experiences or perhaps that of friends you had who had kids).

This could end up being of help for the OP.


You know what, I could do that, but I don't meet the criteria for the op and you are all over those things already. There would be no use in me reiterating.


Not necessarily. I meant it, you lived in Korea for a while and you might have some valuable insight for the OP on certain issues that concern them. I agree repeating the same thing would not be of much use but I was thinking you may have known parents of western kids in Korea and perhaps could have contacted them or put them in contact with the OP.
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drunkenfud



Joined: 08 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

newb wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
newb wrote:

I knew someone will come back with that...

Multiply everything I said by 10.


In a word.... Horseshit.

.


In a word... If I had kids, I would not subject them to 'torture' in Korean PS. I'd put them in int'l school. I feel sorry for all students in Korean PS.


Bullshit.
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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drunkenfud wrote:
newb wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
newb wrote:

I knew someone will come back with that...

Multiply everything I said by 10.


In a word.... Horseshit.

.


In a word... If I had kids, I would not subject them to 'torture' in Korean PS. I'd put them in int'l school. I feel sorry for all students in Korean PS.


Bullshit.


here is a newsflash for newb. Not all public schools or any schools in Korea are the same just like in all countries. That being said, Korea is a xenophobic country for sure. I hope it changes in the future.
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dongjak



Joined: 30 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a kid and live in Korea. Neither me or my husband is Korean. i think 0-6 it is fine but it gets tricky when they enter public school. I wouldnt be totally against Korean elementary school but never middle and high school. i want her to have the opportunity to join competitive sports teams. Hopefully my husband relocates soon so schooling won't be a problem when the time comes. Now she goes to Korean daycare and its great, plus shes able to make some extra cash modelling.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to believe with all the education-related degrees floating around in Korea, that there aren't more charter type schools for the expats with kids, home schooling seems like a much more viable and inexpensive option than sending them to international schools to avoid the Korean public school system.
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