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Seoul plans to raise basic taxi fares to W3,000 ASAP
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taxi drivers deserve a raise. Telling a guy who already probably works 12 hours a day to just work more if he wants to be able to support his family is ridiculous. So many people here care about absolutely nothing except their personal convenience and paying as little as possible for everything, it's more than a bit disheartening.
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Taxi drivers deserve a raise. Telling a guy who already probably works 12 hours a day to just work more if he wants to be able to support his family is ridiculous. So many people here care about absolutely nothing except their personal convenience and paying as little as possible for everything, it's more than a bit disheartening.


You've never had a taxi driver try to kick in your car door because you honked at him after he'd cut you off and then hit the brakes hard, bringing his car to a stop, eh? I remember the days when some of them acted like thugs. The only reason you rarely encounter such outbursts nowadays is because people have camera phones and dashboard cameras.

I'm only half joking when I tell my cousin, one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and a taxi driver, that he should come over here and give lessons.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More small buses, less taxies. Maybe Korea should adopt Russian style marshrutshkas. I enjoyed them back in the outer districts within Moscow.
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nora



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails - sure, many cab drivers are hard working individuals.

But I regularly travel between Gimpo Airport and Bucheon, and the taxi drivers regularly refuse to take me or demand DOUBLE what it costs. When I ask them to use the meter (which is the LAW), they refuse. A Seoul taxi tells me he won't go to Bucheon and I should take the Gyeonggi taxi. The Gyeonggi taxi says HE won't go to Bucheon and that I must take the Seoul taxi as I am only about 500 meters outside of the Seoul limits in Bucheon. Then they tell me if I pay them 25k, they'll take me. All of this while the police officer is standing around watching them BREAK THE LAW and F every tourist that comes out of the terminal.

The fact that the government refuses to lift a finger to enforce the laws (like running the meters and taking a passenger - you know, the BASICS OF BEING A GODDAMN CAB DRIVER) or to crack down on these shady SOBs, I have zero tolerance or acceptance of raising rates.

While most people have one or two bad experiences, 90% of my experiences with cab drivers are total crap, and that is solely because I use cabs at Gimpo airport and yeongjongdo - an island where cabs are hard to find, so they stick it in and break it off at every available opportunity.

The government created this mess - too many hack licenses - and they continue to compound it. Higher rates means less use means more complaining about low wages means higher rates means less use means...
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nora wrote:
Steelrails - sure, many cab drivers are hard working individuals.

But I regularly travel between Gimpo Airport and Bucheon, and the taxi drivers regularly refuse to take me or demand DOUBLE what it costs. When I ask them to use the meter (which is the LAW), they refuse. A Seoul taxi tells me he won't go to Bucheon and I should take the Gyeonggi taxi. The Gyeonggi taxi says HE won't go to Bucheon and that I must take the Seoul taxi as I am only about 500 meters outside of the Seoul limits in Bucheon. Then they tell me if I pay them 25k, they'll take me. All of this while the police officer is standing around watching them BREAK THE LAW and F every tourist that comes out of the terminal.

The fact that the government refuses to lift a finger to enforce the laws (like running the meters and taking a passenger - you know, the BASICS OF BEING A GODDAMN CAB DRIVER) or to crack down on these shady SOBs, I have zero tolerance or acceptance of raising rates.

While most people have one or two bad experiences, 90% of my experiences with cab drivers are total crap, and that is solely because I use cabs at Gimpo airport and yeongjongdo - an island where cabs are hard to find, so they stick it in and break it off at every available opportunity.

The government created this mess - too many hack licenses - and they continue to compound it. Higher rates means less use means more complaining about low wages means higher rates means less use means...


You're aware that you can report them to the Korea Tourism Organization, right?

(Admittedly, I am doubtful that they actually fine taxi drivers for the infractions that you name as they supposedly have the authority to do)
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nora wrote:

I regularly travel between Gimpo Airport and Bucheon, and the taxi drivers regularly refuse to take me or demand DOUBLE what it costs.


Are you sure they are breaking the law? I travel from Gimhae Airport (which is in the city of Busan) to Gimhae proper, which are different jurisdictions. A Gimhae city cab can take me to the airport, but can't pick up anyone there. Similarly a Busan cab drives me to Gimhae, but can't pick up anyone there. So each of them I have to agree on a rate, and I don't think the meter charges apply.

The airport cabs operate like a cartel though, or a gang.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
nora wrote:

I regularly travel between Gimpo Airport and Bucheon, and the taxi drivers regularly refuse to take me or demand DOUBLE what it costs.


Are you sure they are breaking the law? I travel from Gimhae Airport (which is in the city of Busan) to Gimhae proper, which are different jurisdictions. A Gimhae city cab can take me to the airport, but can't pick up anyone there. Similarly a Busan cab drives me to Gimhae, but can't pick up anyone there. So each of them I have to agree on a rate, and I don't think the meter charges apply.

The airport cabs operate like a cartel though, or a gang.


I don't know about now, but it certainly was the case a few years ago. Many newspapers covered the story. Cops at that time broke up a gang that was driving away (pardon the pun) the honest taxi drivers from the airport and ripping off unsuspecting passengers.
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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
tophatcat wrote:
I knew a taxi driver, here in Korea, back in 2004. He was a middle-age family man, always well dressed, and seemed to be a rather intelligent guy. He said he had lived in Atlanta, Georgia USA for several years. His English was rather good. Anyway, he told me that he would work six days straight @12 hours per day, then take two days off. This was giving him a minimum Net Pay of approximately 2.200.000 won per month, after he covered all of his expenses. Of course, working more was always optional if he wanted to make extra.


I heard an urban legend about a Korean cabbie who had a Ph.D but couldn't find work in his field. I'm not sure I can believe that but hey, fact is often stranger than fiction.


I've heard a couple of the same stories about Ph.Ds driving taxis in Mexico and in other South American countries. I knew a lady from Panama who was attending some class with me at my university. She told me that her uncle had a Ph.D and was driving a taxi. I was a little surprised at the time.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point seems to be that smearing cabbies as a bunch of ;azy, uneducated near-convicts is about as courteous and nonsensical as smearing NETs as lazy, barely-qualified delinquents.

Everyone in the world believes they deserved to be paid more for what they do. Many don't deserve it. But if you do believe yourself deserving of a raise, it would seem reasonable to believe that others deserve a raise as well.
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ATM SPIDERTAO



Joined: 05 Jul 2009
Location: seoul, south korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude korea is relatively GOOD in terms of taxi service

ever been to malaysia? they rip off tourists ALL THE TIME

and the thing is, they aren't just ripping off foreigners and refusing to turn on the meter.

they're ripping off locals too!

just do what the koreans do, say a REALLY FAR PLACE where your house will be on the way, and then tell them to let you off cuz you have to throw up lol

EASY AS PIE BABY

some of the people i've met also really hate the taxi service. so instead of pretending to throw up, they say stuff like "GOTCHA! STUPID TAXI DRIVER LOLOL"

stuff like that.

anyway, it is very frustrating I can totally relate. but you're in asia lol.

i've always wanted to call in and see what happens. just take a pic of the guy's ID next time!

my ex also had a friend who called in and she got a full refund of her cab fare and said the guy will get a pretty big fine as well as investigated. basically, he demanded she pay an extra 2000 won cuz he crossed city limits. she paid but was so mad she called in lol

Korea is trying and doing a pretty good job of losing the ghetto asian reputation
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IPayInCash



Joined: 27 Jul 2013
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would be a good thread to ask: Is there a phone number we can call to report these scum bag taxis? I've going to ignore SR's apologist drivel as I've lived here for years and don't need an apologist to tell me the cab drivers here are innocent angels. Would love to jot down a number so I can report these crooks.
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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ATM SPIDERTAO wrote:
dude korea is relatively GOOD in terms of taxi service

ever been to malaysia? they rip off tourists ALL THE TIME

and the thing is, they aren't just ripping off foreigners and refusing to turn on the meter.

they're ripping off locals too!

just do what the koreans do, say a REALLY FAR PLACE where your house will be on the way, and then tell them to let you off cuz you have to throw up lol

EASY AS PIE BABY

some of the people i've met also really hate the taxi service. so instead of pretending to throw up, they say stuff like "GOTCHA! STUPID TAXI DRIVER LOLOL"

stuff like that.

anyway, it is very frustrating I can totally relate. but you're in asia lol.

i've always wanted to call in and see what happens. just take a pic of the guy's ID next time!

my ex also had a friend who called in and she got a full refund of her cab fare and said the guy will get a pretty big fine as well as investigated. basically, he demanded she pay an extra 2000 won cuz he crossed city limits. she paid but was so mad she called in lol

Korea is trying and doing a pretty good job of losing the ghetto asian reputation


hear hear. malaysia is easily one of the worst countries i've ever been to for taxis or public transportation of any kind.

korean taxis are cheap by any standards anywhere in the world, most of the drivers aren't dicks unless you hang out where the ones that are hang out (see: hongdae and itaewon) and they usually get the job done with little fanfare. i take taxis daily and almost never have issues.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IPayInCash wrote:
This would be a good thread to ask: Is there a phone number we can call to report these scum bag taxis? I've going to ignore SR's apologist drivel as I've lived here for years and don't need an apologist to tell me the cab drivers here are innocent angels. Would love to jot down a number so I can report these crooks.


Probably the same number to report illegal NETs.

They aren't innocent angels any more than you or I are. Out of every 10 taxi cabs I've taken, 1 is a shady guy.

Why is it okay to smear taxi drivers, but wrong to smear NETs? Why is it okay for NETs to feel they deserve a raise, but wrong for taxi drivers?

Why can you only see things from your perspective?

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I also love how people here seem to want a trustworthy, widely-available, will drive anywhere, safe, professional, full-time, clean vehicle, educated taxi driver all while paying them only a dollar a ride+a fraction of mileage and time and expecting them to never ask for a raise.

Rolling Eyes
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prices are going up on everything and taxi drivers need to earn more to keep up with inflation, etc. I've got no beef with that.

As for the poor service that cab drivers provide, that's an issue that cuts a large swath through Korean business/work culture. Quality of service or work is often an afterthought.

But I understand why NETs, whose salaries have been held down for years by what is basically collusion, would be against a raise for cabbies. Fortunately, as was posted above, they have a better education and more opportunity than many of the taxi drivers.
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RangerMcGreggor



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:


most of the drivers aren't dicks unless you hang out where the ones that are hang out (see: hongdae and itaewon)


Yep. It amazes me how many foreigners really don't understand some basic tourist rules when it comes to dealing with taxi cab drivers. I learned pretty quickly that picking up taxi cab drivers near major subway stations is not always the best idea, and probably the dumbest thing you can do if you do it at night. I never had a single problem picking up taxi's in Hongdae, because I take an extra a minute or two towards Hapjeong to avoid that mess.
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