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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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I totally agree with the above. Don't mind the critics, they don't know what they are talking about.
One of my mother's responsibilities at work was preparing her college students for job interviews. I've used what she's taught me with great success. Like you said, a good suit and a great attitude go a long way. After all, an interview is an opportunity to sell yourself to someone whose time is precious. Like it or not, khakis simply don't convey the message that you appreciate the opportunity and the time you've been given or that you're indispensable to the company as much as a suit does.
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This is the kind if advice you'd give a double glazing salesman. Is appearance really that important in an academic setting? To anyone under 50? I'm pretty
sure it isn't where I work. As long as they look like they've made a token effort |
At the last teaching job I had before coming to Korea, high school in the States, I interviewed wearing a suit. I got the job. Then immediately I went to nice casual with a tie for the classroom. Most of the teachers would wear jeans or casual and polos on Fridays. I believe it was proper for that environment. The principal of the high school emailed me with job offers the following 2 years I was in Korea. So, I have nothing against wearing a nice suit to an interview.
During my second job interview in Korea I was sporting a suit and tie for a better known reputable academy. I sort of felt like a fool. Whispers going on behind the secretarial desks and from other teachers. Later, some of the teachers told me that they thought I was some kind of high ranking official and the school might be in trouble. I was immediately taken on at the school. They were short on teachers that day so the let my go straight on into a 5th grade class of students. I walk up to the whiteboard to write my name and introduce myself and as I turn around some little kid by the name of Kevin has latched onto my tie and is in the process of doing a Tarzan swing. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't wear a suit to school. It wouldn't increase my pay, only my expenses, so I wear jeans and a button-up shirt and save more money. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I don't wear a suit to work. Everyone else does. I've been resigned and given a pay raise.  |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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I totally agree with the above. Don't mind the critics, they don't know what they are talking about.
One of my mother's responsibilities at work was preparing her college students for job interviews. I've used what she's taught me with great success. Like you said, a good suit and a great attitude go a long way. After all, an interview is an opportunity to sell yourself to someone whose time is precious. Like it or not, khakis simply don't convey the message that you appreciate the opportunity and the time you've been given or that you're indispensable to the company as much as a suit does.
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This is the kind if advice you'd give a double glazing salesman. Is appearance really that important in an academic setting? To anyone under 50? I'm pretty
sure it isn't where I work. As long as they look like they've made a token effort |
If you show up at an interview wearing khakis and a t-shirt, you most certainly didn't prep for the interview. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Guys have it easy. Suits require so little effort. When I interviewed for my uni job, I spent 15 minutes just deciding which necklace to wear with the dress I'd chosen. |
i wouldn't necessarily agree with this. maybe it's little effort for scrubs but for people who know how to wear suits well it takes some time. you have to select correct socks, belt, take the time to tie a good double windsor knot that goes to the exact correct length (i've also interviewed quite a few people and i notice things like single windsors and sloppy suit etiquette), select the right tie (slim tie or regular sized tie), choose the right tie clip (i use subtle but simple and classy tie clips and i get positive comments almost every single i wear one), select and shine correct shoes, etc. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| If you show up at an interview wearing khakis and a t-shirt, you most certainly didn't prep for the interview. |
Yeah I mean a dress shirt and smart trousers. I can't believe we still haven't moved on from this wearing a suit and tie to some jobs/interviews business. It's just so unnecessary and pretty impractical for summer in a lot of countries. The Southern Europeans have it right. You go into a bank in Italy or Spain and you'll see guys dressed right for the climate. Do we really still think that casual clothes will somehow rub off onto the attitude people have to their jobs? It just seems to be old fashioned, tuppenny ha'penny psychology to me. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
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| Guys have it easy. Suits require so little effort. When I interviewed for my uni job, I spent 15 minutes just deciding which necklace to wear with the dress I'd chosen. |
i wouldn't necessarily agree with this. maybe it's little effort for scrubs but for people who know how to wear suits well it takes some time. you have to select correct socks, belt, take the time to tie a good double windsor knot that goes to the exact correct length (i've also interviewed quite a few people and i notice things like single windsors and sloppy suit etiquette), select the right tie (slim tie or regular sized tie), choose the right tie clip (i use subtle but simple and classy tie clips and i get positive comments almost every single i wear one), select and shine correct shoes, etc. |
I hear that, but it's not the average guy who's got oxblood wingtips and gold tie pins. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| IPayInCash wrote: |
| I don't wear a suit to work. Everyone else does. I've been resigned and given a pay raise. |
You've been "resigned" and then given a pay raise? |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Yeah I mean a dress shirt and smart trousers. I can't believe we still haven't moved on from this wearing a suit and tie to some jobs/interviews business. It's just so unnecessary and pretty impractical for summer in a lot of countries. The Southern Europeans have it right. You go into a bank in Italy or Spain and you'll see guys dressed right for the climate. Do we really still think that casual clothes will somehow rub off onto the attitude people have to their jobs? It just seems to be old fashioned, tuppenny ha'penny psychology to me. |
Seriously. I'm actually from a laid back, liberal city that is hot as balls so a lot of this formal suit all the time stuff gets thrown out the window in a lot of places, as it should.
We're just a bunch of dumb ape clones whose heads get muddled up with a bunch of BS that we think directly leads to us attaining nookie or a higher status. What did Chris Rock say? "If a man could *beep* a woman in a box, he'd never buy a house." Yeah, nice stuff is cool, we can't deprogram ourselves from it but it's just funny how some of the more borgish ape types in our species defend it like they're our man club leaders. "A man must wear a suit! Are you mad?!"
People are so strange if you can take a step back. If we got our heads out of this little sham game for two seconds we'd realize how stupid we are and just wear snuggies and slippers around all the time. But, you gotta play, right? Women like nice shit. There's no choice, the force is too strong.  |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously. I'm actually from a laid back, liberal city that is hot as balls so a lot of this formal suit all the time stuff gets thrown out the window in a lot of places, as it should.
We're just a bunch of dumb ape clones whose heads get muddled up with a bunch of BS that we think directly leads to us attaining nookie or a higher status. What did Chris Rock say? "If a man could *beep* a woman in a box, he'd never buy a house." Yeah, nice stuff is cool, we can't deprogram ourselves from it but it's just funny how some of the more borgish ape types in our species defend it like they're our man club leaders. "A man must wear a suit! Are you mad?!"
People are so strange if you can take a step back. If we got our heads out of this little sham game for two seconds we'd realize how stupid we are and just wear snuggies and slippers around all the time. But, you gotta play, right? Women like nice shit. There's no choice, the force is too strong. |
maybe you think you're a dumb ape clone and maybe you would wear snuggies and slippers all the time but i enjoy being human and using my sense of vision and getting joy from it. i like colors, patterns, shapes, and i like to apply them to the things that i wear and i enjoy seeing others wear them too. why is it strange to enjoy the clothing that you wear or be visually stimulated by it? it's that kind of thinking that is strange in my opinion. wearing a suit does not equate to having "nice shit", it's possible to wear a suit because you enjoy the way it looks and the fact that it was designed with a man's body in mind and can flatter it better than say, snuggies can. i agree rocking a full suit is overkill in hot weather (as would wearing snuggies) but to be completely dismissive of human nature and the fact that we are incredibly visual creatures and pawn it off as playing some game then i think you might have your head in the denialist sham game. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
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Seriously. I'm actually from a laid back, liberal city that is hot as balls so a lot of this formal suit all the time stuff gets thrown out the window in a lot of places, as it should.
We're just a bunch of dumb ape clones whose heads get muddled up with a bunch of BS that we think directly leads to us attaining nookie or a higher status. What did Chris Rock say? "If a man could *beep* a woman in a box, he'd never buy a house." Yeah, nice stuff is cool, we can't deprogram ourselves from it but it's just funny how some of the more borgish ape types in our species defend it like they're our man club leaders. "A man must wear a suit! Are you mad?!"
People are so strange if you can take a step back. If we got our heads out of this little sham game for two seconds we'd realize how stupid we are and just wear snuggies and slippers around all the time. But, you gotta play, right? Women like nice shit. There's no choice, the force is too strong. |
maybe you think you're a dumb ape clone and maybe you would wear snuggies and slippers all the time but i enjoy being human and using my sense of vision and getting joy from it. i like colors, patterns, shapes, and i like to apply them to the things that i wear and i enjoy seeing others wear them too. why is it strange to enjoy the clothing that you wear or be visually stimulated by it? it's that kind of thinking that is strange in my opinion. wearing a suit does not equate to having "nice shit", it's possible to wear a suit because you enjoy the way it looks and the fact that it was designed with a man's body in mind and can flatter it better than say, snuggies can. i agree rocking a full suit is overkill in hot weather (as would wearing snuggies) but to be completely dismissive of human nature and the fact that we are incredibly visual creatures and pawn it off as playing some game then i think you might have your head in the denialist sham game. |
No, dude. I get it and I play the game too. You just don't seem very conscious of the world or the elements of evolution that make us who we are. I can tell you've definitely never taken mushrooms. But, sorry, it is a game. All animals act like this. What? You thought this was real? You must have been taking yourself much too serious this whole time. If it's not a game then what is it? |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| No, dude. I get it and I play the game too. You just don't seem very conscious of the world or the elements of evolution that make us who we are. I can tell you've definitely never taken mushrooms. But, sorry, it is a game. All animals act like this. What? You thought this was real? You must have been taking yourself much too serious this whole time. If it's not a game then what is it? |
i don't seem very conscious of the world? hmm. apparently you are confused. i don't view the world with idealistic glasses as you apparently do. i'm quite the realist and very conscious of my existence and the state of the world. however, you think because the elements of evolution came to make us appreciate things visually it's some kind of "game"? that's not very conscious thinking augustine...
and how is the state of the world not real? and what's this talk of mushrooms? i have actually tried mushrooms on more than one occasion so yet again you are wrong, but mushrooms have nothing to do with this conversation. if you actually think that whatever state of existence you experienced in mushrooms is more real that real life itself, then i think we'll have to just put this conversation to bed and i will just sit here befuddled.
if it's not a "game", it's life and we need to deal with it instead of daydreaming about snuggies and denying our existence. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do you think you appreciate things like expensive suits and watches? What do you think makes you naturally inclined to desire and obtain such things. Forget about the other stuff, just give me the clearest and most honest answer you can. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Not a suit but:
We had a female teacher come to our school some years back. We interviewed her and had her do some teaching demonstrations on topics she couldn't have really been pre-preparred for. She seemed like the perfect candidate but she was wearing jeans and a printed t-shirt. Other than that all seemed perfect. My wife asked her why she was presently unemployed. She said she had been helping a sick family member for the past months but she was now ready to return back to work. But, no one wanted to hire her because of her age.
My wife felt some sympathy for the female teacher because she was past the mid 20 prime hiring age. So we hired the too old to work, jean and t-shirt female teacher. She worked for us for 6 years before she married and decided to be a stay-at-home wife. She was the best teacher we have ever had. Her classes were almost always packed and often had some students waiting for an opening to be in her class.
The teacher that we replaced her with showed up at the job interview dressed like a saleslady in a ROLEX shop in a high rolling casino. Miss Korea would have been impressed. The first day of work she walked in with her hiking clothes on. Often she would show up to work with holes in her pants. She liked to play on her cell phone every time she thought someone wasn't looking. The student numbers in her class continued to dwindle down. After a year, she was down to half the students of the previous teacher. She was probably the worst teacher we ever had. My wife and I were discussing if we should tell her that we no longer needed her, 30 days notice. Fortunately, she decided to leave to take a job in a bar. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| augustine wrote: |
| Why do you think you appreciate things like expensive suits and watches? What do you think makes you naturally inclined to desire and obtain such things. Forget about the other stuff, just give me the clearest and most honest answer you can. |
augustine, who said that i appreciate the expensive aspect of these things? i in fact, do not appreciate that aspect.
naturally inclined? that's a loaded question that works against your favor. if you want to treat us like basic animals then our only natural inclinations would be to breed, eat and sleep. however, we are much more advanced than that and to ignore that fact is ludicrous and not a real scenario.
to answer your question:
i like watches because i'm a nerd and watches are one of the most technologically advanced feats of engineering that you can have on you any time, anywhere.
i like suits because i think that they look nice and i enjoy looking nice sometimes.
it's not some grand conspiracy that some company has done to brainwash me into liking suits. i just happen to like the way they look and i enjoy wearing them. if i had tailoring skills, i'd probably make them for myself. they are an item of clothing. i like them along with other types of clothing. i dislike some clothing as well.
it's really as simple as that. welcome to humanity. |
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