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NYC_Gal 2.0
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| It's just an interview. Dress up. Of course you likely don't have to dress that formally for regular work, but first impressions are important. Yes, there has to be more substance than just clothing, but skipping that important step shows that you aren't serious. I made that mistake once when I was in university and had an interview at one of the big financial companies. I wore very work-appropriate clothes (tailored trousers and a nice blouse) but I should have worn a blazer. Live and learn. I was 20 and still an undergrad. You aren't. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| It's just an interview. Dress up. Of course you likely don't have to dress that formally for regular work, but first impressions are important. Yes, there has to be more substance than just clothing, but skipping that important step shows that you aren't serious. I made that mistake once when I was in university and had an interview at one of the big financial companies. I wore very work-appropriate clothes (tailored trousers and a nice blouse) but I should have worn a blazer. Live and learn. I was 20 and still an undergrad. You aren't. |
How do you know you should have worn a blazer? because all the other women were or because they told you that's why you didn't get the job. I went for an interview at a merchant bank when a student too and everyone was in suits and ties except one guy who was wearing cords and a scruffy tweed jacket. He was the only one who got a second interview. first impressions in a job interview are not as important as people make out. If they thought that guy was going to make more money than anyone else for the bank, they'd have invited him back if he'd been wearing a dress. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:36 am Post subject: |
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CORRECT!^
All the blazer dribble is rubbish to try to prove a point.
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| It's just an interview. Dress up. Of course you likely don't have to dress that formally for regular work, but first impressions are important. Yes, there has to be more substance than just clothing, but skipping that important step shows that you aren't serious. I made that mistake once when I was in university and had an interview at one of the big financial companies. I wore very work-appropriate clothes (tailored trousers and a nice blouse) but I should have worn a blazer. Live and learn. I was 20 and still an undergrad. You aren't. |
How do you know you should have worn a blazer? because all the other women were or because they told you that's why you didn't get the job. I went for an interview at a merchant bank when a student too and everyone was in suits and ties except one guy who was wearing cords and a scruffy tweed jacket. He was the only one who got a second interview. first impressions in a job interview are not as important as people make out. If they thought that guy was going to make more money than anyone else for the bank, they'd have invited him back if he'd been wearing a dress. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| It's just an interview. Dress up. Of course you likely don't have to dress that formally for regular work, but first impressions are important. Yes, there has to be more substance than just clothing, but skipping that important step shows that you aren't serious. I made that mistake once when I was in university and had an interview at one of the big financial companies. I wore very work-appropriate clothes (tailored trousers and a nice blouse) but I should have worn a blazer. Live and learn. I was 20 and still an undergrad. You aren't. |
If I walk into a job interview with resume in hand with established credentials and I fail to get the job because I wasn't wearing a suit, I'm quite sure I would never want to be a part of that team.
I believe there are many people who are very serious about a job interview and their work who don't wear suits.
Because I'm over 20 doesn't mean I need a suit to sale myself. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| It's just an interview. Dress up. Of course you likely don't have to dress that formally for regular work, but first impressions are important. Yes, there has to be more substance than just clothing, but skipping that important step shows that you aren't serious. I made that mistake once when I was in university and had an interview at one of the big financial companies. I wore very work-appropriate clothes (tailored trousers and a nice blouse) but I should have worn a blazer. Live and learn. I was 20 and still an undergrad. You aren't. |
How do you know you should have worn a blazer? because all the other women were or because they told you that's why you didn't get the job. I went for an interview at a merchant bank when a student too and everyone was in suits and ties except one guy who was wearing cords and a scruffy tweed jacket. He was the only one who got a second interview. first impressions in a job interview are not as important as people make out. If they thought that guy was going to make more money than anyone else for the bank, they'd have invited him back if he'd been wearing a dress. |
I know because the person interviewing me told me so. It may not always be important, but it is important often enough to not want to take chances. This was for an executive assistant job that paid 60k to start, and I was qualified. Everything worked out, though. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| It's just an interview. Dress up. Of course you likely don't have to dress that formally for regular work, but first impressions are important. Yes, there has to be more substance than just clothing, but skipping that important step shows that you aren't serious. I made that mistake once when I was in university and had an interview at one of the big financial companies. I wore very work-appropriate clothes (tailored trousers and a nice blouse) but I should have worn a blazer. Live and learn. I was 20 and still an undergrad. You aren't. |
If I walk into a job interview with resume in hand with established credentials and I fail to get the job because I wasn't wearing a suit, I'm quite sure I would never want to be a part of that team.
I believe there are many people who are very serious about a job interview and their work who don't wear suits.
Because I'm over 20 doesn't mean I need a suit to sale myself. |
Great for you. I'd rather not take my chances, so I put in the effort to look as polished as possible when interviewing. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| It's just an interview. Dress up. Of course you likely don't have to dress that formally for regular work, but first impressions are important. Yes, there has to be more substance than just clothing, but skipping that important step shows that you aren't serious. I made that mistake once when I was in university and had an interview at one of the big financial companies. I wore very work-appropriate clothes (tailored trousers and a nice blouse) but I should have worn a blazer. Live and learn. I was 20 and still an undergrad. You aren't. |
How do you know you should have worn a blazer? because all the other women were or because they told you that's why you didn't get the job. I went for an interview at a merchant bank when a student too and everyone was in suits and ties except one guy who was wearing cords and a scruffy tweed jacket. He was the only one who got a second interview. first impressions in a job interview are not as important as people make out. If they thought that guy was going to make more money than anyone else for the bank, they'd have invited him back if he'd been wearing a dress. |
I know because the person interviewing me told me so. It may not always be important, but it is important often enough to not want to take chances. This was for an executive assistant job that paid 60k to start, and I was qualified. Everything worked out, though. |
Perhaps you misunderstood. They said razor, not blazer. You didn't get the job because of the hairy legs. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:38 am Post subject: |
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I know because the person interviewing me told me so. It may not always be important, but it is important often enough to not want to take chances. This was for an executive assistant job that paid 60k to start, and I was qualified. Everything worked out, though. |
If it was that important to them, why didn't they just include it in the invitation letter? Your interview is scheduled for 9am, blazers must be worn. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Phone call:
"Hi, NYC_Gal 2.0. This is Mr. Smith calling to inform you that you didn't get the job. You had all the right qualifications and an out of this world CV, we checked your background, and your references said you are top notch. Yes. Yes. That's right, we decided to go with Mrs. McGilicutty. We know, we knowwwwww, she is blind, illiterate, and walks like a pimp. But, gee! Did you see that rhinestone blazer she was sporting?" |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:37 am Post subject: |
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I haven't had hair on my legs in nearly a decade. Lasers are wonderful things.
As for the blazer, the b!tch told me at the very start that I should have worn a blazer or suit. She was wearing something even less formal than what I had on. The job would have been a good one for a university student, and I wouldn't have had to work in her department or ever see her again, but she was the gatekeeper and I didn't pass her test...
What does it hurt to dress up for an interview? I learned my lesson nice and early. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
I haven't had hair on my legs in nearly a decade. Lasers are wonderful things.
As for the blazer, the b!tch told me at the very start that I should have worn a blazer or suit. She was wearing something even less formal than what I had on. The job would have been a good one for a university student, and I wouldn't have had to work in her department or ever see her again, but she was the gatekeeper and I didn't pass her test...
What does it hurt to dress up for an interview? I learned my lesson nice and early. |
An executive assistant job for a 20 year old university student that pays 60k?
mmmmmmmm Something smells fishy about this story.  |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Why do you think you appreciate things like expensive suits and watches? What do you think makes you naturally inclined to desire and obtain such things. Forget about the other stuff, just give me the clearest and most honest answer you can. |
augustine, who said that i appreciate the expensive aspect of these things? i in fact, do not appreciate that aspect.
naturally inclined? that's a loaded question that works against your favor. if you want to treat us like basic animals then our only natural inclinations would be to breed, eat and sleep. however, we are much more advanced than that and to ignore that fact is ludicrous and not a real scenario.
to answer your question:
i like watches because i'm a nerd and watches are one of the most technologically advanced feats of engineering that you can have on you any time, anywhere.
i like suits because i think that they look nice and i enjoy looking nice sometimes.
it's not some grand conspiracy that some company has done to brainwash me into liking suits. i just happen to like the way they look and i enjoy wearing them. if i had tailoring skills, i'd probably make them for myself. they are an item of clothing. i like them along with other types of clothing. i dislike some clothing as well.
it's really as simple as that. welcome to humanity. |
That was not very clear. But, yes, humanity is that simple. Of course, we're more highly advanced but that has little affect on the reasons why we want certain things or on the fact that most of our behavior is still enormously similar to basic animals. You can claim, "It's not the expensiveness of the object that matters to me, it's the technical ingenuity and craftsmanship". But that's still just a justification for the basic animal instinct inside of you, which tells you that that object will increase your chances at 1) finding the best mate possible and 2) increasing your status. Even if you did learn to tailor suits, that would be a marketable skill you could use to impress a mate. You see, the personalization you're ascribing as a form of "taste" at its basic level are skills that we've used to same ends since the beginning of time. And if you threw that watch or suit into one of those lost Amazonian tribes, the men would probably fight over it and the one who ended up with it would be at the top of the totem pole, even if they didn't know what it was, or turned the suit into something else. Like some garment to impress some tribal hottie. Who knows.
This is what people do. I like nice stuff too. I plan on buying a nice suit in the next month or so, and frankly I'm excited about it, but I'm conscious of why. To sit there and tell me, "Oh, I just like the way it looks, it looks nice to me"... yeah of course, and it looks nice to women too. It looks like you have your shit together and are somewhat affluent and successful. Everything is a ladder going up and down, all men want to have a lot of money, nice stuff and be regarded in a high light. You can try to side step and create artificial reasons (which may be somewhat legitimate) for why you like the stuff you do but I tend to think you're ignoring the largest factors at play. Do I like my big ass LED TV that I'm sitting in front of right now? Does it make me feel good and improve my viewing pleasure? Without a doubt, but if I invite a woman back here, will she be more impressed than if I had some dinky old, heavy clunker? Does it make me look settled and willing to purchase expensive luxury items and is that a quality women often look for in a man? I think so. Because it feels good to move up and acquire nice things, inside we feel like we are moving up a social ladder and that's the race, or the game, or life, or whatever you want to call it. But, we are insurmountably more mentally advanced than we ever have been, to the point where we can take a step back and consciously assess the reasons behind our actions and societal behaviors. And it's important to do that because we still do strange shit and comply with social norms that don't always make a whole lot of sense. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Upon further reflection, I think that I was 22, because the person who got me the interview in the first place was someone I met through a friend I met after uni. The salary is actually on the low end for an executive assistant, hence why I was up for the job at that age. You need years of experience to make 6 figures. My friend has been an executive assistant for 15 years now, and she gets over 100k. She works really long hours though, and, from what she tells me, it's not a job that I think I could do without being angry a lot of the time. This was a job at Bear Stearns, and the job was working for a woman, but, unfortunately, I never got to meet her because of the HR interviewer. Funnily enough, this woman who called me out for my not wearing a blazer was 30 minutes late to work that day, so I ended up having to wait. Stupid hypocritical bint.
Eh. What can you do? If I'd worn the blazer, passed the other tests and gotten the job I wouldn't have gone into publishing, found out that I didn't like publishing, moved here, or met my husband. Things work out. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Lol @ the people saying a suit and tie guarantees you the best shot to get the job.
Ive a) been hired wearing jeans. Actually I got a job wearing jeans in Korea once, because Im a boss. Guy interviewing me basically hired me on the spot.
B) hired people who didnt wear a suit. Ive interviewed others and justbcause theyre in a suit doesnt mean they can teach. The suit looks good until the demo lesson where they completely fall apart.
People who say they didnt get the job because they didnt wear a suit are just making excuses for themselves. Maybe it is YOU who is the problem.  |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Upon further reflection, I think that I was 22, because the person who got me the interview in the first place was someone I met through a friend I met after uni. The salary is actually on the low end for an executive assistant, hence why I was up for the job at that age. You need years of experience to make 6 figures. My friend has been an executive assistant for 15 years now, and she gets over 100k. She works really long hours though, and, from what she tells me, it's not a job that I think I could do without being angry a lot of the time. This was a job at Bear Stearns, and the job was working for a woman, but, unfortunately, I never got to meet her because of the HR interviewer. Funnily enough, this woman who called me out for my not wearing a blazer was 30 minutes late to work that day, so I ended up having to wait. Stupid hypocritical bint.
Eh. What can you do? If I'd worn the blazer, passed the other tests and gotten the job I wouldn't have gone into publishing, found out that I didn't like publishing, moved here, or met my husband. Things work out. |
"Upon further reflection"
Oh, you mis-spoke!
Basically, your story didn't hash so now you've decided to change it. |
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