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iancarvalho87



Joined: 25 Aug 2013

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Native English Speaker but not from English Speaking Country Reply with quote

Hey everybody, I've been reading as much information as possible in this forum and others and I've really been enjoying the work put into this and the information that you all have been providing, but moving on...

I'm a 26 year old Brazilian currently residing in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, but I was raised in the US, Southern Florida to be exact, from 4 years of age until I finished High School. I then moved back to Brazil to go to college and I currently work for a multinational company here (the only reason why I'm still here). I have spent basically all of my life in the US, thus I'm a Native English speaker with fluent Portuguese and intermediate Spanish. I have already officially worked with teaching English in a well-known and well-respected private English franchise in Brazil for more than 5 years during some of my college years (having documents to prove this and letters of recommendation). I'm interested in moving to Seoul and I'm currently planning a trip to Seoul for December or maybe next year where I will stay in South Korea for about 25 days.

THE QUESTIONS:

1.) Is it possible to distribute my resume while I'm there and possibly get an interview and land a Job and apply for a working visa, all while I'm there, considering that I will have to do the whole Korea>Japan>Korea to get the working visa?

2.) I have a college degree in System Analysis from a well-known University in Brazil, but here in Brazil the I.T. college degrees, except for Computer Engineering (not my thing), are not a Bachelor's degree “per say”. They are 2.5 to 3 years in length, very intensive and are valid "University Degrees" to avoid the "by the time you finish, what you learned will be obsolete" dilemma. Will this stop me from being able to get a well-paying English Teaching Job even though I have a good resume with working for 5+ years as an English Teacher and also working for about 3 years for a Multinational company that also has a branch in South Korea and about 120 other countries?

3.) (Personal Opinion) I'm a very adaptable and easygoing person so I'm not concerned much about the culture shock, but how is the experience? It seems to be well worth it. Although I have a good job/career, I can’t help but want to live in either Japan or South Korea for a while for the experience. What fascinates me about countries such as South Korea and Japan isn't just the culture, but the respectfulness, the lack of violence compared to countries like mine in which we have an abundance of (Brazil). Summing it up, what do you have to say about it for someone who is new to this and plans to do this in 2014? I do not intend to reside in Brazil; I would like to move to Asia, but to a safe, modern country such as South Korea or Japan.

4.) If anybody who is currently working at a Hagwon (as I figure that Hagwons are my only chance) could help me out with asking the above questions, finding a company to sponsor or at least point me in the direction that would be great, I'm already looking into a couple of sites but there is so much useless and misleading information it's driving me mad and most of the "programs" require you to be graduated from an English speaking country. My English is native, American English, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.
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ghostrider



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't sound like you'd qualify for an e-2 visa.

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Nationality - All applicants must be citizens and hold a passport from a native English speaking country. The Korean government currently accepts 7 nations in this category.

Canada | U.S.A | U.K. | Ireland | Australia | New Zealand | South Africa

* To qualify, you must have had your education taught, in English, from at least high school level and on through university/college.

University Degree (1 notarised/apostilled copy) - All applicants must have completed a 3 or 4 year degree from a recognised, accredited university/college in one of the countries listed above. The original degree certificate is not accepted by Korean Immigration anymore. A copy that has been notarized and apostille authenticated is required.

http://www.goeastrecruiting.com/requirements
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iancarvalho87



Joined: 25 Aug 2013

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick and informative feedback ghostrider.

I've searched for the difference between an E1 and E2 visa (see below *), but what about the E3? Can't seem to find anything on that. Wouldn't this visa be only for those who are going to work for the government (public schools) for the private Hagwons, wouldn't it be a seperate hiring, not having to be exactly a "teacher" but just a regular empolyee, altough I would be teaching. Would it be possible to apply for a regular working visa?

Taking advantage of this post, do you happen to know if Japan has the same restriction. Meanwhile I'm going to search. Thanks!




*English professors working at educational institutes higher than a junior college, need an E-1 Visa while those working as conversation instructors, require an E-2 Visa.
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wings



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The short and long answers are both that you can't work legally as an English teacher in Korea because of the restrictions on nationality and also on where you got your degree. An E-1 visa is for professors.
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faeriehazel



Joined: 04 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, hakwons only give E2 visas to teachers. E3 visas are for researchers.

It sucks, because I kind of know how you feel - I have a Korean passport yet was raised in the US. English is my first language, and I can prove that in an interview, but sometimes people won't look past my passport. Fortunately I don't need to screw around with visas. In your case, it won't matter how fluent your English is because the schools can't give you an E2 visa. If you had an F visa you could probably get work here regardless of your passport, but getting an F visa isn't as simple as getting an E2 visa.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Native English Speaker but not from English Speaking Cou Reply with quote

iancarvalho87 wrote:
Hey everybody, I've been reading as much information as possible in this forum and others and I've really been enjoying the work put into this and the information that you all have been providing, but moving on...

I'm a 26 year old Brazilian currently residing in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, but I was raised in the US, Southern Florida to be exact, from 4 years of age until I finished High School. I then moved back to Brazil to go to college and I currently work for a multinational company here (the only reason why I'm still here). I have spent basically all of my life in the US, thus I'm a Native English speaker with fluent Portuguese and intermediate Spanish. I have already officially worked with teaching English in a well-known and well-respected private English franchise in Brazil for more than 5 years during some of my college years (having documents to prove this and letters of recommendation). I'm interested in moving to Seoul and I'm currently planning a trip to Seoul for December or maybe next year where I will stay in South Korea for about 25 days.

THE QUESTIONS:

1.) Is it possible to distribute my resume while I'm there and possibly get an interview and land a Job and apply for a working visa, all while I'm there, considering that I will have to do the whole Korea>Japan>Korea to get the working visa?

2.) I have a college degree in System Analysis from a well-known University in Brazil, but here in Brazil the I.T. college degrees, except for Computer Engineering (not my thing), are not a Bachelor's degree “per say”. They are 2.5 to 3 years in length, very intensive and are valid "University Degrees" to avoid the "by the time you finish, what you learned will be obsolete" dilemma. Will this stop me from being able to get a well-paying English Teaching Job even though I have a good resume with working for 5+ years as an English Teacher and also working for about 3 years for a Multinational company that also has a branch in South Korea and about 120 other countries?

3.) (Personal Opinion) I'm a very adaptable and easygoing person so I'm not concerned much about the culture shock, but how is the experience? It seems to be well worth it. Although I have a good job/career, I can’t help but want to live in either Japan or South Korea for a while for the experience. What fascinates me about countries such as South Korea and Japan isn't just the culture, but the respectfulness, the lack of violence compared to countries like mine in which we have an abundance of (Brazil). Summing it up, what do you have to say about it for someone who is new to this and plans to do this in 2014? I do not intend to reside in Brazil; I would like to move to Asia, but to a safe, modern country such as South Korea or Japan.

4.) If anybody who is currently working at a Hagwon (as I figure that Hagwons are my only chance) could help me out with asking the above questions, finding a company to sponsor or at least point me in the direction that would be great, I'm already looking into a couple of sites but there is so much useless and misleading information it's driving me mad and most of the "programs" require you to be graduated from an English speaking country. My English is native, American English, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.


To qualify for a visa (E2 - teacher of a foreign language) you MUST BE a passport holder of one of the "approved" 7 countries and have a degree from one of those same "7" countries.

Bottom line... you cannot get a visa to be a teacher of English and work in Korea as a teacher:
- You have the wrong passport and
- Your degree (the one that isn't if it doesn't say "Bachelor of _______" - problematic in and of itself) was from the wrong country.

Full-stop.

EVERYTHING else is meaningless unless working illegally on a tourist stamp is part of your game plan.

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Brooks



Joined: 08 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet you could work in Japan.
I knew a Brazilian who had MA from an American college and he didn`t have a problem getting work in Tokyo or Kanagawa.
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waynehead



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like you're highly qualified, but, yeah that's not always what matters in Korea, sadly. Japan or China might work for you.
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iancarvalho87



Joined: 25 Aug 2013

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a shame there is this kind of restriction, but I do understand why the Government does this, otherwise the market can get saturated and that's not good for anyone.

I guess following Arnold Schwarzenegger's "You've got to break the rules" isn't gonna work this time lol. Laughing

Thanks for all the advice though. Just for the record, I don't plan on living/working/doing anything illegal in any country. I guess I'll just have to decide in another country.

Japan sounds like a good option. The problem isn't just that I'm a Brazilian passport holder but also that my college degree (which is between an associate's and a bachelor's) is from Brazil as well... I'm going to search this in another forum. Thanks to all by the way and if anybody knows all of this information for Japan, once again, let me know. Thanks!
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iancarvalho87 wrote:
I've searched for the difference between an E1 and E2 visa (see below *), but what about the E3? Can't seem to find anything on that. Wouldn't this visa be only for those who are going to work for the government (public schools) for the private Hagwons, wouldn't it be a seperate hiring, not having to be exactly a "teacher" but just a regular empolyee, altough I would be teaching. Would it be possible to apply for a regular working visa?


If you're hired on as anything other than a teacher--and only certain types of businesses and schools can hire teachers, you cannot legally teach language as part of your job duties.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iancarvalho87 wrote:
Japan sounds like a good option. The problem isn't just that I'm a Brazilian passport holder but also that my college degree (which is between an associate's and a bachelor's) is from Brazil as well... I'm going to search this in another forum. Thanks to all by the way and if anybody knows all of this information for Japan, once again, let me know. Thanks!


^^

This will be a MAJOR hurdle throughout East Asia since a BACHELORs DEGREE (parchment says "Bachelor of _____" on the face of it)
is a legal REQUIREMENT for (legal) work as a teacher in ALL of East Asia and the ASEAN block (with the exception of Taiwan (an associate and a TEFL still works) and Cambodia (until 2015)).

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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP: Is your degree a licenciatura or tecnologia? If so, you simply don't qualify as a degree-holder as far as Korea is concerned.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
iancarvalho87 wrote:
Japan sounds like a good option. The problem isn't just that I'm a Brazilian passport holder but also that my college degree (which is between an associate's and a bachelor's) is from Brazil as well... I'm going to search this in another forum. Thanks to all by the way and if anybody knows all of this information for Japan, once again, let me know. Thanks!


^^

This will be a MAJOR hurdle throughout East Asia since a BACHELORs DEGREE (parchment says "Bachelor of _____" on the face of it)
is a legal REQUIREMENT for (legal) work as a teacher in ALL of East Asia and the ASEAN block (with the exception of Taiwan (an associate and a TEFL still works) and Cambodia (until 2015)).

.


What's going on in Cambodia in 2015?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
iancarvalho87 wrote:
Japan sounds like a good option. The problem isn't just that I'm a Brazilian passport holder but also that my college degree (which is between an associate's and a bachelor's) is from Brazil as well... I'm going to search this in another forum. Thanks to all by the way and if anybody knows all of this information for Japan, once again, let me know. Thanks!


^^

This will be a MAJOR hurdle throughout East Asia since a BACHELORs DEGREE (parchment says "Bachelor of _____" on the face of it)
is a legal REQUIREMENT for (legal) work as a teacher in ALL of East Asia and the ASEAN block (with the exception of Taiwan (an associate and a TEFL still works) and Cambodia (until 2015)).

.


What's going on in Cambodia in 2015?


Currently there are NO standards for "teachers".
Buy your "business visa" from immigration and go teach.

In 2015 the ASEAN integration happens ... then everyone (in all of the ASEAN block) is supposed to have a degree to be a teacher.

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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Native English Speaker but not from English Speaking Cou Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
iancarvalho87 wrote:
Hey everybody, I've been reading as much information as possible in this forum and others and I've really been enjoying the work put into this and the information that you all have been providing, but moving on...

I'm a 26 year old Brazilian currently residing in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, but I was raised in the US, Southern Florida to be exact, from 4 years of age until I finished High School. I then moved back to Brazil to go to college and I currently work for a multinational company here (the only reason why I'm still here). I have spent basically all of my life in the US, thus I'm a Native English speaker with fluent Portuguese and intermediate Spanish. I have already officially worked with teaching English in a well-known and well-respected private English franchise in Brazil for more than 5 years during some of my college years (having documents to prove this and letters of recommendation). I'm interested in moving to Seoul and I'm currently planning a trip to Seoul for December or maybe next year where I will stay in South Korea for about 25 days.

THE QUESTIONS:

1.) Is it possible to distribute my resume while I'm there and possibly get an interview and land a Job and apply for a working visa, all while I'm there, considering that I will have to do the whole Korea>Japan>Korea to get the working visa?

2.) I have a college degree in System Analysis from a well-known University in Brazil, but here in Brazil the I.T. college degrees, except for Computer Engineering (not my thing), are not a Bachelor's degree “per say”. They are 2.5 to 3 years in length, very intensive and are valid "University Degrees" to avoid the "by the time you finish, what you learned will be obsolete" dilemma. Will this stop me from being able to get a well-paying English Teaching Job even though I have a good resume with working for 5+ years as an English Teacher and also working for about 3 years for a Multinational company that also has a branch in South Korea and about 120 other countries?

3.) (Personal Opinion) I'm a very adaptable and easygoing person so I'm not concerned much about the culture shock, but how is the experience? It seems to be well worth it. Although I have a good job/career, I can’t help but want to live in either Japan or South Korea for a while for the experience. What fascinates me about countries such as South Korea and Japan isn't just the culture, but the respectfulness, the lack of violence compared to countries like mine in which we have an abundance of (Brazil). Summing it up, what do you have to say about it for someone who is new to this and plans to do this in 2014? I do not intend to reside in Brazil; I would like to move to Asia, but to a safe, modern country such as South Korea or Japan.

4.) If anybody who is currently working at a Hagwon (as I figure that Hagwons are my only chance) could help me out with asking the above questions, finding a company to sponsor or at least point me in the direction that would be great, I'm already looking into a couple of sites but there is so much useless and misleading information it's driving me mad and most of the "programs" require you to be graduated from an English speaking country. My English is native, American English, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.


To qualify for a visa (E2 - teacher of a foreign language) you MUST BE a passport holder of one of the "approved" 7 countries and have a degree from one of those same "7" countries.

Bottom line... you cannot get a visa to be a teacher of English and work in Korea as a teacher:
- You have the wrong passport and
- Your degree (the one that isn't if it doesn't say "Bachelor of _______" - problematic in and of itself) was from the wrong country.

Full-stop.

EVERYTHING else is meaningless unless working illegally on a tourist stamp is part of your game plan.

.


He can however obtain an E-2 visa to teach Spanish/Portugees ?

E-2's are not limited to English, they are limited to teaching. What you teach will depend on contract and the school you are at.
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