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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deja wrote:

There is a DRUNK TRUCK driver who can kill PEOPLE, and you are worried about a DOG?
Holy crap Sad
I need to get a dog burger to calm down.


I'd be worried about the dog too.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
12ax7 wrote:

The fact there was a dog in the box was not the main source of our concern, but it certainly added to it (as it would to anyone who has a conscience).


So would you have called if there hadn't been a dog in the cab? Your post doesn't make it seem like it. Although a guy creating a ruckus is cause enough for a 9/11 call.

Anyways, next time call the fire dept or the meatwagon. Cops are notoriously late to respond both here, and at least in the U.S.

Just say "Guy looks hurt because he's swerving and driving erratically."

Or in the case of drunken apartment dweller, call for the meatwagon because of the blood.


What is this rubbish? Man swerving all over the road, Dog being thrown all over the back in a cage, Who cares about what he just happens to emphasize. You have the facts come up with a reasonable assessment. That's what the Korean police should have done too.
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IPayInCash



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People complaining about the cops here is funny.

Theyre much better here than the '"shoot first, ask questions later" ones than the US. Want to see how bad cops can really be? Go to Mexico. But yes I agree cops here suck but the grass isnt much greener elsewhere. There was also that cop that shot and killed a youg person in Toronto in a non threatening situation so Canada isntmch better also.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
12ax7 wrote:

The fact there was a dog in the box was not the main source of our concern, but it certainly added to it (as it would to anyone who has a conscience).


So would you have called if there hadn't been a dog in the cab? Your post doesn't make it seem like it. Although a guy creating a ruckus is cause enough for a 9/11 call.

Anyways, next time call the fire dept or the meatwagon. Cops are notoriously late to respond both here, and at least in the U.S.

Just say "Guy looks hurt because he's swerving and driving erratically."

Or in the case of drunken apartment dweller, call for the meatwagon because of the blood.


What is this rubbish? Man swerving all over the road, Dog being thrown all over the back in a cage, Who cares about what he just happens to emphasize. You have the facts come up with a reasonable assessment. That's what the Korean police should have done too.


The police care. Sorry, but if you get a report about smoke in an apartment and you get a call from someone complaining about their bird going nuts in their cage, are you going to treat it as seriously as "A Yo, our building up in flames. Ya'll need to get here." That might not be right. Canary and all. But from the standpoint of someone who walks the beat everyday, it makes a difference.

Yes, but if someone is swerving in a car on a thoroughfare and you are talking about the dog, the sad reality is that the average "Good Ol Boy" cop will just be like "Uh huh, okay". NOT THAT THAT IS RIGHT.

Let's have some cold hard truth, if someone is seeing an out of control car and they focus primarily on a dog, from a criminal complaints standpoint the police are not going to regard you as rational nor totally grasping the situation. Seriously, point out a gas main, point out a pedestrian, heck, point out the own irrepsonsible drunk idiot who deserves to go to prison in the car, but focusing on the dog puts you in the category of "unreliable".

It's like a guy rushing into a bank and holding women and children at gunpoint but focusing on the fact that he shot a dog. Police are just going to write you off.

Better off calling the fire or the meatwagon.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got news for you. Korea doesn't have 'cruelty to animal is bad' in their psyche. They do have children's stories about boy and his faithful dog, and Disney characters are liked, but not enough to treat animals as humans. Are pets in Korea friends or are they property? For the majority they are properties. Just as Mitt Romney didn't have a clue that transporting his dog on the roof of his station wagon was a felony, there wasn't a crime when that swerving driver dropped his dog. This isn't a first world/third world debate. This is about you being selfish, caring only about the things that YOU LIKE.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Got news for you. Korea doesn't have 'cruelty to animal is bad' in their psyche. They do have children's stories about boy and his faithful dog, and Disney characters are liked, but not enough to treat animals as humans. Are pets in Korea friends or are they property? For the majority they are properties. Just as Mitt Romney didn't have a clue that transporting his dog on the roof of his station wagon was a felony, there wasn't a crime when that swerving driver dropped his dog. This isn't a first world/third world debate. This is about you being selfish, caring only about the things that YOU LIKE.


Well, I got news for you: there are laws against wreckless driving and driving under the influence of alcohol. The driver was clearly doing at least one of the two. The fact there was a dog in the box, which ultimately died, added urgency to the situation. Argue all you want, it remains that the police officer who answered the phone was negligent and abusive.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm amazed the driver managed to spin and swerve fast and violently enough to eject a dog, without hitting anything on a Korean-sized street, all while staying within the OP's view, long enough for him to recognize what was going on, decide to call the police, make a call, and then see the situation further deteriorate, somehow managing to eject the dog via what? Smashing through the glass?

And how did the dog manage not to hit the driver inside the truck cab during this whole process? A dog traveling that fast inside a cab should have been enough to deliver a violent forceful blow to the driver and surely should have struck the driver before it managed to get ejected during this phone call to the police.

This would have had to have been on a major road- 4+ lanes.

Also, in order to eject the dog through a side window, there should have been significnat centripital acceleration and g forces running laterally. However, to generate those kinds of tight turns and not hit anything, your car has to be going fairly slowly and a truck doesn't really seem capable of the lateral grip necessary to do that.
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augustine



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I kind of agree with Mr. Garrison here, even though I don't think he completely knows what he's talking about. Why would the violent death of the dog be left out of the initial post?
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
I'm amazed the driver managed to spin and swerve fast and violently enough to eject a dog, without hitting anything on a Korean-sized street, all while staying within the OP's view, long enough for him to recognize what was going on, decide to call the police, make a call, and then see the situation further deteriorate, somehow managing to eject the dog via what? Smashing through the glass?

And how did the dog manage not to hit the driver inside the truck cab during this whole process? A dog traveling that fast inside a cab should have been enough to deliver a violent forceful blow to the driver and surely should have struck the driver before it managed to get ejected during this phone call to the police.

This would have had to have been on a major road- 4+ lanes.

Also, in order to eject the dog through a side window, there should have been significnat centripital acceleration and g forces running laterally. However, to generate those kinds of tight turns and not hit anything, your car has to be going fairly slowly and a truck doesn't really seem capable of the lateral grip necessary to do that.


blah blah blah damn dude

Guy said the dog was in the box. I don't know how that has come to develop in your head into the dog being in the cabin of the truck? Is there some specialized definition of "box" that means "truck cabin"?

Amateur detective hour is over, not sure why you keep beating your point over the head.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean the bed of the truck? Given that it was probably some Bongo truck I figured by box it was probably some commonwealth way of saying the cabin. But saying box for bed makes more sense as to how the dog was thrown.

It still doesn't explain how this guy was able to keep it up long enough to stay in view and not hit anything. A car swerving back and forth is like a wave, amplitude and frequency and all that. A truck swerving back and forth at a velocity sufficient to eject a dog while maintaining control and not flipping over, all the while managing not to hit anything on a narrow Korean street (unless it was a major thoroughfare, about the only place where you could get the velocity and space necessary to pull off such a maneuver and the vehicle should be causing a massive disruption to traffic, as major thoroughfares are at least busy enough, even late at night, for this to cause some serious accidents). But how does this vehicle stay in the person's sight during the time it takes them to decide to call the police and actually make the call?

I have a sneaking suspicion the story is more likely "Driving on the highway in our bus, we saw this truck passing cars and such, with a dog in the back, when we tried to call the police." That's the only way I can really see this truck being able to swerve violently enough to eject a dog with the necessary space and the OP being able to maintain visual contact given the vehicles velocity. Either that or the guy is doing doughnuts in the local county office parking lot, but his truck should probably flip at that point.

I mean seriously, in order to get that kind of force necessary to eject a dog, the car has to be doing at least 45kph, probably more like 60. The max visibility someone would have in a city situation is 1 kilometer, and that's assuming an elevated view, perpendicular to the road, at the proper distance to get a wide view of it, yet still being able to see the dog. That gives someone maybe a minute to a minute and a half until they leave view. Now, the OP would have us believe that within a minutes he was able to witness this, decide to call the police, talk to the police, and maintain sight of the truck to the point where he could see the dog being ejected and dying "right before our eyes"?

Not to mention the police probably realized that by the time they got over there, the truck would be long gone. And if the truck really was doing doughnuts, other people would have called. Something about this story doesn't add up. Amateur detective? Maybe, but also there is something about this that doesn't add up.
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cabeza



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
You mean the bed of the truck? Given that it was probably some Bongo truck I figured by box it was probably some commonwealth way of saying the cabin. But saying box for bed makes more sense as to how the dog was thrown.

It still doesn't explain how this guy was able to keep it up long enough to stay in view and not hit anything. A car swerving back and forth is like a wave, amplitude and frequency and all that. A truck swerving back and forth at a velocity sufficient to eject a dog while maintaining control and not flipping over, all the while managing not to hit anything on a narrow Korean street (unless it was a major thoroughfare, about the only place where you could get the velocity and space necessary to pull off such a maneuver and the vehicle should be causing a massive disruption to traffic, as major thoroughfares are at least busy enough, even late at night, for this to cause some serious accidents). But how does this vehicle stay in the person's sight during the time it takes them to decide to call the police and actually make the call?

I have a sneaking suspicion the story is more likely "Driving on the highway in our bus, we saw this truck passing cars and such, with a dog in the back, when we tried to call the police." That's the only way I can really see this truck being able to swerve violently enough to eject a dog with the necessary space and the OP being able to maintain visual contact given the vehicles velocity. Either that or the guy is doing doughnuts in the local county office parking lot, but his truck should probably flip at that point.

I mean seriously, in order to get that kind of force necessary to eject a dog, the car has to be doing at least 45kph, probably more like 60. The max visibility someone would have in a city situation is 1 kilometer, and that's assuming an elevated view, perpendicular to the road, at the proper distance to get a wide view of it, yet still being able to see the dog. That gives someone maybe a minute to a minute and a half until they leave view. Now, the OP would have us believe that within a minutes he was able to witness this, decide to call the police, talk to the police, and maintain sight of the truck to the point where he could see the dog being ejected and dying "right before our eyes"?

Not to mention the police probably realized that by the time they got over there, the truck would be long gone. And if the truck really was doing doughnuts, other people would have called. Something about this story doesn't add up. Amateur detective? Maybe, but also there is something about this that doesn't add up.


Thanks Columbo. Now we can all continue with our day knowing that you have solved "the case of the swerving truck and dog in a box".

Don't you just sit back sometimes and think to yourself: "who gives a s**t"? It would seem you don't do that often enough.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
You mean the bed of the truck? Given that it was probably some Bongo truck I figured by box it was probably some commonwealth way of saying the cabin. But saying box for bed makes more sense as to how the dog was thrown.

It still doesn't explain how this guy was able to keep it up long enough to stay in view and not hit anything. A car swerving back and forth is like a wave, amplitude and frequency and all that. A truck swerving back and forth at a velocity sufficient to eject a dog while maintaining control and not flipping over, all the while managing not to hit anything on a narrow Korean street (unless it was a major thoroughfare, about the only place where you could get the velocity and space necessary to pull off such a maneuver and the vehicle should be causing a massive disruption to traffic, as major thoroughfares are at least busy enough, even late at night, for this to cause some serious accidents). But how does this vehicle stay in the person's sight during the time it takes them to decide to call the police and actually make the call?

I have a sneaking suspicion the story is more likely "Driving on the highway in our bus, we saw this truck passing cars and such, with a dog in the back, when we tried to call the police." That's the only way I can really see this truck being able to swerve violently enough to eject a dog with the necessary space and the OP being able to maintain visual contact given the vehicles velocity. Either that or the guy is doing doughnuts in the local county office parking lot, but his truck should probably flip at that point.

I mean seriously, in order to get that kind of force necessary to eject a dog, the car has to be doing at least 45kph, probably more like 60. The max visibility someone would have in a city situation is 1 kilometer, and that's assuming an elevated view, perpendicular to the road, at the proper distance to get a wide view of it, yet still being able to see the dog. That gives someone maybe a minute to a minute and a half until they leave view. Now, the OP would have us believe that within a minutes he was able to witness this, decide to call the police, talk to the police, and maintain sight of the truck to the point where he could see the dog being ejected and dying "right before our eyes"?

Not to mention the police probably realized that by the time they got over there, the truck would be long gone. And if the truck really was doing doughnuts, other people would have called. Something about this story doesn't add up. Amateur detective? Maybe, but also there is something about this that doesn't add up.


What doesn't add up? I kept close enough to truck to be able to read its license plate while my wife was dialing the police (you did get that my wife was the one on the phone, right?).

And, no, it doesn't always take a lot of force to throw someone out of a truck. I know someone who was at the wheel of a pickup truck when one of his passengers, who was standing in the back holding onto the roll bar, fell out and died. He wasn't driving fast when it happened. As a matter of fact, the truck was stopped. She fell when it took off.
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
You mean the bed of the truck?


I didn't know what the hell 12ax7 meant, but I can guarantee you I wouldn't be writing lengthy rants about how a dog in a truck cabin puts a hole in the story unless I am positive that I know what "dog in the box" was supposed to mean.

Expand the nouns section, definition 12

If I were in your position, I would clarify what "in the box" meant by asking 12ax7 about it. Actually scratch that, I would just stick to my overall point of reporting a sensational event to get the desired level of attention/calling a different emergency service provider, and stop trying to poke holes in a random story. Maybe chime in with "Damn 12ax7 why did you call about THE DOG?!?!?!?!?!?!?! SWERVING TRUCK DURRRRHHH" like several other posters.

You know I mean you no ill will, but damn dude, between this and that thread where you turned complaints about women wanting their men to hold their purses into some counter about holding the bag so the woman can retrieve a comforter from the car, as well as the other bizarre tangents you take up where I don't even bother responding (i.e. taxi thread in General), I almost think you go for these nonsensical approaches to arguments on purpose.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the next move going to be Mr. Garrison? The magic bump theory, possibly...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I kept close enough to truck to be able to read its license plate while my wife was dialing the police (you did get that my wife was the one on the phone, right?).


You were able to keep up with a truck doing at least 45 kph? Who are you, Usain Bolt?

You and you wife were able to analyze this situation, mutually arrive at the decision to call the police all with you taking off after a truck to read its license plates going fast enough to through a dog out of it and were able to keep this truck in your field of vision long enough to conclude a phone call with the police? A truck doing 45kph+, with you on level ground, you were able to keep up with it and maintain it in your field of vision?

And magically the street is big enough to allow a vehicle to do this, yet is totally devoid of cars and the Bongo truck manages not to veer out of control? I mean seriously, most Korean streets have 60 kph speed limits, those that don't, side streets, are too small to allow the vehicle to swerve without it striking something.

And a deserted Korean 60kph street? Really? That's a major road. Maybe only at like 4AM in the morning, but then again, calls about crazy drivers and chasing trucks with dogs at 4AM generally get written off as drunkenness.

You must have telescopic eyes and the legs of a cheetah.

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He wasn't driving fast when it happened. As a matter of fact, the truck was stopped. She fell when it took off.


But that's being thrown due to acceleration, not swerving laterally. You said the truck was swerving, but in order to swerve and throw someone you need space and velocity to do this. Again, its like a wave- The faster the truck goes, the less its ability to maintain control and swerve with the force necessary to eject someone. If it goes slower, it needs greater space (amplitude?) to eject that person.

Anyone here who has actually driven a car should know this.

And in the end, what they heck were the cops supposed to do? They couldn't get their in time to do anything about it.

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Thanks Columbo. Now we can all continue with our day knowing that you have solved "the case of the swerving truck and dog in a box".
Don't you just sit back sometimes and think to yourself: "who gives a s**t"? It would seem you don't do that often enough.


I dunno, do you ever sit back and think that about all the frustrations you have with Korean lies, myths, and exaggerations?

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What's the next move going to be Mr. Garrison? The magic bump theory, possibly...


You said it yourself man, something about this guy's story doesn't hold water.

You may hate my guts, but look at the story and do the math and add in the other stuff. It just doesn't work out.
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