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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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One employer paid 1,000 RMB less for our salary but he added 1,000 to our salary. He said this was our food allowance. I have never experienced this other than with that job. 1,000 RMB is 182,394 won. He also paid for meals for lunch or dinner if we taught 3 or more classes near those times. Teach 6 classes, get 2 free meals.
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Apples and kumquats.
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If you are saying my post is like "apples and oranges" where there is supposedly a significant difference (although they are both fruits) then I disagree. A person can pay a monthly fee labeled "blah blah" to pay for dinners and deaths of co-workers' relatives. I don't care about it. The point is, will you get something out of it?
If you are saying this is all about donation and that we shouldn't worry about what the money is for and we shouldn't expect benefits after deductions have been made, then I would fight it.
And in that case it is apples and apple sauce. |
Nope... In YOUR example in China it was the employer who was doing it and it was tied to "work". Food allowances and overtime are not "independent social activities".
In the case of the "teacher's social fund" at a public school in Korea it is independent of the employer and more of a "club" of teachers at the school.
It is run by and for the teachers in the school.
It is voluntary (although not wise to not participate since you would be seen as not being part of the team").
The fund has full accountability (although most foreigners wouldn't understand when the local teachers have their meeting when the fund and events are discussed.
Apples and kumquats (not even as close as an orange).
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Nolos
Joined: 23 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| lol westerners are such betas when it comes to keeling down before the great Asian culture. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:12 am Post subject: |
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It used to be 10k and i had no problem.
Minute it went up to 20k+ i told them to go f*&k themselves. Sorry but its a tax ,thats how i see it anyway.
Their group food is worse than dogs%*t; their snacks are always rice cake; it goes on.
Someone here mentioned 40,000; you must be insane to pay that every month. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:30 am Post subject: |
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It used to be 10k and i had no problem.
Minute it went up to 20k+ i told them to go f*&k themselves. Sorry but its a tax ,thats how i see it anyway.
Their group food is worse than dogs%*t; their snacks are always rice cake; it goes on.
Someone here mentioned 40,000; you must be insane to pay that every month. |
I think I met you once - did you drive buses in the UK? |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| I didn't eat the snacks, or go to the public dinners, so I just paid 20K every few months (not the standard rate), basically for the coffee I drank. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:31 am Post subject: |
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My school used to go to all-you-can-eat barbeque for 30,000 a month.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:44 am Post subject: Re: School wants afterschool/trip fee? |
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| Ranman wrote: |
The coordinator who oversees NETs at our school just came in and told me that we were required to pay 15,000 Won a month for some after school fees, supposedly used for teachers' dinners, meetings, etc.
Have any of your heard of such a thing? Supposedly this has been taken out of my pay since the beginning of the year automatically, but I haven't had it taken out since June according to her.
Does this sound like a load of crap or is it just me? |
No idea how legit or official this is but it does happen in many workplaces and has various names: staff fund, activity budget.
We have such a thing at my job here and it is used for paying for staff birthday gifts, x-mas dinner, retirement parties, gifts for new parents, coffee for everyone and so on. Everybody chips in.
At my former University in Busan we had a similar system in place. It was not official (as in an obligation) but nearly everyone bought into the idea. The money was used for providing the staff with coffee / tea, snacks and for staff dinners. We received gifts when my son was born for example as did other members of the staff when they had kids, left the job to go elsewhere and so on.
I guess it varies from workplace to workplace! |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:33 am Post subject: |
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ttompatz needs to be schooled folks.
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| Nope... In YOUR example in China it was the employer who was doing it and it was tied to "work". |
No, ttompatz, in my example in Korea, it was the employer who would give a decent dinner. I had Gangnam style bitch dinner in 2008. Then I hade Pyeongtaek style galbi with naengmyeon bitch in 2009.
It was not China little boy ttompatz. I am in China now, but I WASN'T in China before.
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| Food allowances and overtime are not "independent social activities". |
They are NOT influential to my desire to stay with the company, yo wee yo little ttompatz.
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| In the case of the "teacher's social fund" at a public school in Korea it is independent of the employer and more of a "club" of teachers at the school. |
Yea yea yea, I get that. Join in and you won't be the first to be fired. Well ttompatz little boy, I pride myself in being the first to be fired from a crappy school in Japan, Korea, or China. I laugh at the 51 year old still at the school wanting him to wipe little kids' butts here in China (after 5 of us have already left).
Yea, I made it from Japan, to Korea, to China. It doesn't mean I don't understand the perils in between.
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| It is run by and for the teachers in the school. |
That is a vague sentence. Korean teachers in the school or English teachers? Please clarify.
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| It is voluntary (although not wise to not participate since you would be seen as not being part of the team"). |
Others said that. I replied to it. Remember?
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| Apples and kumquats (not even as close as an orange). |
In the end, if you don't get what you want, get out. I don't see the point in paying membership fees or dues in order to baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa like the fellow sheep. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Was that your attempt at being funny? If so I think you need more practice.
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It used to be 10k and i had no problem.
Minute it went up to 20k+ i told them to go f*&k themselves. Sorry but its a tax ,thats how i see it anyway.
Their group food is worse than dogs%*t; their snacks are always rice cake; it goes on.
Someone here mentioned 40,000; you must be insane to pay that every month. |
I think I met you once - did you drive buses in the UK? |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Was that your attempt at being funny? If so I think you need more practice. |
No it was an honnest question!
Your writing style reminded me of someone I met once....
He used to drive buses before coming to Korea. |
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Nolos
Joined: 23 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
ttompatz needs to be schooled folks.
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| Nope... In YOUR example in China it was the employer who was doing it and it was tied to "work". |
No, ttompatz, in my example in Korea, it was the employer who would give a decent dinner. I had Gangnam style bitch dinner in 2008. Then I hade Pyeongtaek style galbi with naengmyeon bitch in 2009.
It was not China little boy ttompatz. I am in China now, but I WASN'T in China before.
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| Food allowances and overtime are not "independent social activities". |
They are NOT influential to my desire to stay with the company, yo wee yo little ttompatz.
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| In the case of the "teacher's social fund" at a public school in Korea it is independent of the employer and more of a "club" of teachers at the school. |
Yea yea yea, I get that. Join in and you won't be the first to be fired. Well ttompatz little boy, I pride myself in being the first to be fired from a crappy school in Japan, Korea, or China. I laugh at the 51 year old still at the school wanting him to wipe little kids' butts here in China (after 5 of us have already left).
Yea, I made it from Japan, to Korea, to China. It doesn't mean I don't understand the perils in between.
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| It is run by and for the teachers in the school. |
That is a vague sentence. Korean teachers in the school or English teachers? Please clarify.
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| It is voluntary (although not wise to not participate since you would be seen as not being part of the team"). |
Others said that. I replied to it. Remember?
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| Apples and kumquats (not even as close as an orange). |
In the end, if you don't get what you want, get out. I don't see the point in paying membership fees or dues in order to baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa like the fellow sheep. |
YES. I AGREE!!!!!!!!!! |
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