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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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More articles anti-war.
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Busy at the moment but you got it.
Hey Kuros, since the government is governed by the laws, is Obama going to go to Congress? Or do whatever he pleases? What does this tell us about the law, and your perception of how things work, generally? Is the law the law or is power the law? Take your time to find the right Atlantic article to inform your position. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
More articles anti-war.
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Busy at the moment but you got it.
Hey Kuros, since the government is governed by the laws, is Obama going to go to Congress? Or do whatever he pleases? What does this tell us about the law, and your perception of how things work, generally? Is the law the law or is power the law? Take your time to find the right Atlantic article to inform your position. |
Could we be smelling a second Nobel? Stay tuned! Expect Obama to attempt to respond to the series of humiliations he has recently been subjected to (along with the American people) by Vlad the Crusher and to finally get that pipeline laid for Team Bankster, so hang on to your seats as things are about to get wild, folks! We present to you:
Rambozo! (thanks to WilliamBanzai7):
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-08-27/rambozo-blowback |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
Hey Kuros, since the government is governed by the laws, is Obama going to go to Congress? Or do whatever he pleases? What does this tell us about the law, and your perception of how things work, generally? Is the law the law or is power the law? Take your time to find the right Atlantic article to inform your position. |
What?
*checks the Atlantic*
The Atlantic tells me Obama will likely install Cory Booker as President in 2016, then come back and return to run for President in 2020. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Obama doesn't have the balls for such a ploy.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/9602790161/
Awesome. Though Obama would fall asleep while even playing checkers. I'm glad he's president, given the optoins. Imagine how many dead Syrians there would be if motivated John McCain were president. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:57 am Post subject: |
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http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/08/in-rush-to-strike-syria-u-s-tried-to-derail-u-n-probe/
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In Rush to Strike Syria, U.S. Tried to Derail U.N. Probe
WASHINGTON, Aug 27 2013 (IPS) - After initially insisting that Syria give United Nations investigators unimpeded access to the site of an alleged nerve gas attack, the administration of President Barack Obama reversed its position on Sunday and tried unsuccessfully to get the U.N. to call off its investigation.
The administration’s reversal, which came within hours of the deal reached between Syria and the U.N., was reported by the Wall Street Journal Monday and effectively confirmed by a State Department spokesperson later that day.
In his press appearance Monday, Secretary of State John Kerry, who intervened with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon to call off the investigation, dismissed the U.N. investigation as coming too late to obtain valid evidence on the attack that Syrian opposition sources claimed killed as many 1,300 people.
The sudden reversal and overt hostility toward the U.N. investigation, which coincides with indications that the administration is planning a major military strike against Syria in the coming days, suggests that the administration sees the U.N. as hindering its plans for an attack. |
http://rt.com/news/putin-cameron-syria-attack-020/
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| Russia has no evidence of whether a chemical weapons attack has taken place in Syria or who is responsible, Russian President Vladimir Putin told British Prime Minister David Cameron in a telephone call, according to Cameron’s official website. |
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/russia-rejects-us-arguments-on-syria-lavrov-tells-kerry/articleshow/22114953.cms
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told US Secretary of State John Kerry that Moscow rejects Washington's claim the Syrian regime was behind a chemical weapons attack outside Damascus, the foreign ministry said.
In a phone call Tuesday, Lavrov also told Kerry of Moscow's alarm that the situation was undermining diplomatic efforts to end the crisis, as expectations grow of Western military action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime. |
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/26/syria-us-un-inspection-kerry
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| Kerry said that regardless of the outcome of the UN weapons inspections, the US had already concluded that Syria had used chemical weapons. "Anyone who could claim that an attack of this staggering scale could be contrived or fabricated needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass," he said "What is before us today is real. And it is compelling." |
Proof by assertion + appeals to morality on the one hand and a demand of evidence on the other.
Eventually, sometime long, long in the future, the USA will not be a power and some other group will write a history of our time. I wish I would remain alive long enough to read it. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:11 am Post subject: |
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A video showing some guys in tennis shoes firing a rocket that some guy on the internet says is the chem weapons. I have no idea what those weapons are supposed to look like but I consider *some guy on the internet* and a sketchy video in Arabic to be more reliable than John Kerry:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/actual-video-footage-of-syrian-rebels-launching-chemical-weapons.html
Pepe Escobar, of Asia Times, says that the Russians have evidence the "rebels" did it.
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| According to the source, Russia's ambassador in the UN Security Council, Vitaly Churkin, presented conclusive evidence - based on documents and Russian satellite images - of two rockets carrying toxic chemicals, fired from Douma, controlled by the Syrian "rebels", and landing on East Ghouta. Hundreds of "rebels", as well as civilians - including those children on the cover of Western corporate media papers - were killed. The evidence, says the Russian source, is conclusive. This is what Lavrov himself was hinting at yesterday. And that's the reason there's no UN Security Council resolution against Syria, and why Washington does not want the inspectors to find anything. |
If true, this could be very interesting! Will the USA now attack the rebels? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
More articles anti-war.
Please. |
Busy at the moment but you got it.
Hey Kuros, since the government is governed by the laws, is Obama going to go to Congress? Or do whatever he pleases? What does this tell us about the law, and your perception of how things work, generally? Is the law the law or is power the law? Take your time to find the right Atlantic article to inform your position. |
Not the Atlantic, but one poly sci professor says Bomb Syria Even if It is Illegal
If you don't subscribe to the NYT, I don't recommend using up one of your 10 articles on that crap.
Basically he goes on and on about how it is llegal, but so was Kosovo, and that was legitimate- right?
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| America and its allies went ahead with what the Independent International Commission on Kosovo later called an “illegal but legitimate” use of force. In that case, NATO accepted implicitly that its act was illegal. It defended it in moral and political language rather than legal terms. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| It defended it in moral and political language rather than legal terms. |
Everything is sold to English speaking Westerners in moral terms. Moral universalism is our greatest weakness and as such the great misfortune of much of humanity. There is seemingly no end to the hell we'll bring others for moral reasons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4
We should have kept on marrying cousins and being clannish. |
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Titus
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Where we are:
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-obama-dilemma-20130828,4290748,7039944.story
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| One U.S. official who has been briefed on the options on Syria said he believed the White House would seek a level of intensity “just muscular enough not to get mocked” but not so devastating that it would prompt a response from Syrian allies Iran and Russia. |
Are they concerned with goals or not receiving Russian snark?
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Obama clearly does not want to do this. There is no organized force in America backing him up. The media and the Lobby(s) are all in. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Obama finds the Syria distraction useful, as it takes thoughts away from revelations that his administration has been spying on everyone everywhere via the internet.
I hope everyone has not forgotten. If the NSA desires, it will activate your cell phone, regardless of whether it is powered off, and press record. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| They should at the very least demand a ceasefire first before any bombing campaign. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Guess who?
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-intelligence-seen-as-central-to-us-case-against-syria/
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| While Israel will almost certainly take no direct part in a military strike, Israeli intelligence information is widely believed to have played a central role in enabling the US’s adamant conviction that Assad’s regime fired chemical weapons at civilians outside Damascus last Wednesday, killing hundreds of people and wounding over a thousand, according to Syrian rebel groups. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:45 am Post subject: |
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What should the West do??? this is an unholy mess!
Really have to look back at Woodrow Wilson's drive to demolish the Ottoman empire for the root cause. Syria and in fact most of the region was part of one empire or another going back to Rome. No real history as an independent nation. Imperial force kept down tribal and ethnic violence.
I assume the U.S./Nato will go in in a limited form. Try to figure out who the good guys are and provide air support and some arms. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
What should the West do??? this is an unholy mess!
Really have to look back at Woodrow Wilson's drive to demolish the Ottoman empire for the root cause. Syria and in fact most of the region was part of one empire or another going back to Rome. No real history as an independent nation. Imperial force kept down tribal and ethnic violence.
I assume the U.S./Nato will go in in a limited form. Try to figure out who the good guys are and provide air support and some arms. |
No, it wasn't Wilson. The UK and France divided up the region with the Sykes-Picot agreement.
And if the US does anything, I think it will be some cruise missles and maybe bombs, nothing more. Following the Clinton playbook. |
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bucheon bum
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