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Juregen
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Unlicensed agents, teachers arrested
Police say 33 recruited locally to teach English were not qualified
Aug 30,2013
Forty-two people have been arrested for illegally recruiting native English-speaking instructors at primary and secondary schools around the country, police said yesterday. Those arrested included 33 teachers who the authorities said were not qualified to teach here and had been recruited by online agencies for jobs outside the formal educational system.
The Gyeonggi Provincial Police Agency said that those arrested included six heads of unregistered recruitment agencies. Since 2011, police said, the six had recruited more than 1,400 English instructors in countries including the United States, Canada, South Africa and the United Kingdom.
The recruiters connected the prospective teachers with the National Institute for International Education, which is under the Ministry of Education, and city and provincial education offices for placement at schools. A typical recruitment fee for those services ranged from 800,000 won ($720) to 1 million won. In total, police said, the unregistered recruiters earned from 240 million to 350 million from their efforts.
They added that the recruited teachers were qualified to teach here and had not been charged.
But Gyeonggi police also said that the three Internet recruiters were indicted for recruiting foreigners already living in Korea who did not have the educational background to teach legally and placed them in jobs with private education institutes (hagwon), kindergartens and in-home tutors. These recruiters put profiles and video clips of their prospective instructors on their Web sites and introduced them to clients for a fee.
Those recruiters, the police said, collected 70 million won in total from their efforts, which began in January and were shut down in July. The instructors were often placed in part-time teaching jobs that paid about 60,000 won per hour, with the recruiters collecting a third of their paychecks.
The 33 English instructors who were hired through those online agencies, none of which had English-teaching qualifications, were the ones booked and released by police.
One 29-year-old American instructor earned about 7 million won per month tutoring English while staying here on a tourist visa since 2011, traveling in and out of Korea a dozen times during the period. A tourist visa allows only a 90-day stay here.
Foreign English instructors are required to have an E-2 teaching visa, but the process to acquire that visa, although not onerous, is more time-consuming than hiring someone already in Korea and dealing with the change of visa status.
The police said those teachers who were working without proper credentials faced deportation. But the authorities also admitted that ferreting out illegal workers here is difficult, especially when the teachers give lessons in homes or offices or work at institutes that are willing to look the other way. |
33 of 42 arrests were illegal (as in unqualified) teachers leaving only 9 recruiters busted.
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Can we make money turning in illegal tourist visa teachers? I know one lady made buckets turning-in illegal cram hagwons a few years ago. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Just as in the 25000-30000 an hr post. The Tourist Visa workers are killing the jobs and salaries. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Good riddance. Keep these scumbags away from our jobs because they screwed up in life and aren't qualified to work here.
Also, anyone on an E2 condemning these illegal teachers is also at fault. Teaching privates is illegal and a violation of your visa. It would be wise not to do so, as I know plenty of foreigners that have been fined heavily for doing so. I guess someone found out they were teaching illegally and reported them. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| A semi-solution to the problem would be to give 2.000.000 won in prize money as a bounty on a tourist teacher. Then have the tourist teacher come up with 2.500.000 won to cover it before deportation or sit in jail for 45 days. Half of them can't pass a criminal background check or don't meet the qualifications to teach. Yet, they are strolling in and out of the country without having to jump through the hoops and fees of the paperwork. I hope they catch more of these backpackers. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| IPayInCash wrote: |
Good riddance. Keep these scumbags away from our jobs because they screwed up in life and aren't qualified to work here.
Also, anyone on an E2 condemning these illegal teachers is also at fault. Teaching privates is illegal and a violation of your visa. It would be wise not to do so, as I know plenty of foreigners that have been fined heavily for doing so. I guess someone found out they were teaching illegally and reported them. |
I agree. Do away with the scuff, and jobs and pay will be fruitful again. Yep. When that illegal dude boasts about his salary being much more than yours even when you include all your benefits, well he is a big part of the reason you are working at a 2002 salary. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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They must stop granting 6 month tourist visas.
1 or 2 months is enough for any genuine tourist to see the "sights".
Any westerner renewing a second or third tourist visa should provide evidence including phone numbers of why, where and what they will be doing. Even proof of earnings or employment from their place of origin.
Its pretty obvious the vast majority of single 20-something north americans re-entering Korea over and over are not here to see Caribea bay. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
They must stop granting 6 month tourist visas.
1 or 2 months is enough for any genuine tourist to see the "sights".
Any westerner renewing a second or third tourist visa should provide evidence including phone numbers of why, where and what they will be doing. Even proof of earnings or employment from their place of origin.
Its pretty obvious the vast majority of single 20-something north americans re-entering Korea over and over are not here to see Caribea bay. |
I always assumed Kimmi DID this. They do in Japan. They do NOT F around in that country. Kimmi needs to crack down on these losers and I also second the idea of a bounty to catch these criminals breaking the law. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
They must stop granting 6 month tourist visas.
1 or 2 months is enough for any genuine tourist to see the "sights".
Any westerner renewing a second or third tourist visa should provide evidence including phone numbers of why, where and what they will be doing. Even proof of earnings or employment from their place of origin.
Its pretty obvious the vast majority of single 20-something north americans re-entering Korea over and over are not here to see Caribea bay. |
And if Korean immigration takes away the six months tourist visa, you can then expect to hear a big whine from Koreans who want to go to or live in Canada. The six month visa is a reciprocal agreement. Canada gets it fair share of illegal workers, too. Actually Canada gets it worse off. One, Korea gets illegal English Teachers and Canada we get whores. Two, Canada gets more long term illegals, who just stay and do not go back. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
They must stop granting 6 month tourist visas.
1 or 2 months is enough for any genuine tourist to see the "sights".
Any westerner renewing a second or third tourist visa should provide evidence including phone numbers of why, where and what they will be doing. Even proof of earnings or employment from their place of origin.
Its pretty obvious the vast majority of single 20-something north americans re-entering Korea over and over are not here to see Caribea bay. |
And if Korean immigration takes away the six months tourist visa, you can then expect to hear a big whine from Koreans who want to go to or live in Canada. The six month visa is a reciprocal agreement. Canada gets it fair share of illegal workers, too. Actually Canada gets it worse off. One, Korea gets illegal English Teachers and Canada we get whores. Two, Canada gets more long term illegals, who just stay and do not go back. |
Then it only makes sense for both countries to abolish the 6-month visa.
Anyone wanting to stay beyond e.g. 2 months is necesarily not a tourist, and they should either transfer to a work visa or student visa or leave.
Handing out unlimited 6 month stays is basically granting residency status to illegal workers. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
They must stop granting 6 month tourist visas.
1 or 2 months is enough for any genuine tourist to see the "sights".
Any westerner renewing a second or third tourist visa should provide evidence including phone numbers of why, where and what they will be doing. Even proof of earnings or employment from their place of origin.
Its pretty obvious the vast majority of single 20-something north americans re-entering Korea over and over are not here to see Caribea bay. |
And if Korean immigration takes away the six months tourist visa, you can then expect to hear a big whine from Koreans who want to go to or live in Canada. The six month visa is a reciprocal agreement. Canada gets it fair share of illegal workers, too. Actually Canada gets it worse off. One, Korea gets illegal English Teachers and Canada we get whores. Two, Canada gets more long term illegals, who just stay and do not go back. |
Along with food, shelter, and clothing, whores are one of the basic human necessities. English teachers are not~~~~ |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| Julius wrote: |
They must stop granting 6 month tourist visas.
1 or 2 months is enough for any genuine tourist to see the "sights".
Any westerner renewing a second or third tourist visa should provide evidence including phone numbers of why, where and what they will be doing. Even proof of earnings or employment from their place of origin.
Its pretty obvious the vast majority of single 20-something north americans re-entering Korea over and over are not here to see Caribea bay. |
And if Korean immigration takes away the six months tourist visa, you can then expect to hear a big whine from Koreans who want to go to or live in Canada. The six month visa is a reciprocal agreement. Canada gets it fair share of illegal workers, too. Actually Canada gets it worse off. One, Korea gets illegal English Teachers and Canada we get whores. Two, Canada gets more long term illegals, who just stay and do not go back. |
Then it only makes sense for both countries to abolish the 6-month visa.
Anyone wanting to stay beyond e.g. 2 months is necesarily not a tourist, and they should either transfer to a work visa or student visa or leave.
Handing out unlimited 6 month stays is basically granting residency status to illegal workers. |
Yes, it like handing residency status to illegal workers. I still think you are over stating the problem. Not all Canadian residents who come here stay the whole time. Some are genuine tourists. A few are temp for a time illegal workers but will be legal. Then you get a good chunk of the illegal workers. Still the numbers are not a massive worry for Korea. They like to concentrate more on larger groups of illegal workers from China. Plus all of those Canadians would go back home or do a Japan visit. Very few if any would stay past the time and live illegally. Very few if any Canadians will become economic refugees.
Spent some time looking yesterday at statistics and per month Canada get more tourists from Korea, then Korea gets from Canada. Could not find anything on how long people stayed. So who would suffer more by reducing the visa waiver time?
Koreans go to Canada for tourism of course, education, and of course working illegally. I would also think that Canada would get more overstay illegals. Canada is easier to hide in, then Korea. Canada is more accepting of different races and cultures, plus not as much ID paranoia like here in Korea.
So changing the waiver will effect thousands of ESL students in Canada. Take that away you might close some schools and other side industries. Plus you might also be hampering some rich Koreans who send their children to Canada to go to private schools. Often with mom tagging along. They spend money, sometimes lots of money. Plus they like the life there. They do not want to lose that advantage. So as I said they will complain. Yet the waiver would help lower Canada's crime rate.
I would disagree on 2 months. 3 months is a bit long but appropriate time. Maybe an alternative is give the 3 or 6 months but do what the Australians and some countries do and give a time limit of repeats. So a Canadian can be waived the visa for first visit. Then for a second or further visits a long period of time is needed between like three or six months. Or person can apply for an actual tourist visa and provide a good reason to allow extending. This would reduce the amount of Japan visits and that some of the illegal would do. The six month waiver will still be abused but more by the backpacker crowd. A place to stop off, get some cash for the next leg of the their trip.
It is so bewildering to see this change of attitude towards illegal workers. Years ago when the CRC record checks and health checks came in every one was talking how unfair it was. Yet those changes actually helped reduce the flow of labor to Korea. Maybe the Korean government might enact some new changes and restrictions. Yet it might be those that have me or you having to leave. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
They must stop granting 6 month tourist visas.
1 or 2 months is enough for any genuine tourist to see the "sights".
Any westerner renewing a second or third tourist visa should provide evidence including phone numbers of why, where and what they will be doing. Even proof of earnings or employment from their place of origin.
Its pretty obvious the vast majority of single 20-something north americans re-entering Korea over and over are not here to see Caribea bay. |
And if Korean immigration takes away the six months tourist visa, you can then expect to hear a big whine from Koreans who want to go to or live in Canada. The six month visa is a reciprocal agreement. Canada gets it fair share of illegal workers, too. Actually Canada gets it worse off. One, Korea gets illegal English Teachers and Canada we get whores. Two, Canada gets more long term illegals, who just stay and do not go back. |
Then it only makes sense for both countries to abolish the 6-month visa.
Anyone wanting to stay beyond e.g. 2 months is necesarily not a tourist, and they should either transfer to a work visa or student visa or leave.
Handing out unlimited 6 month stays is basically granting residency status to illegal workers. |
You think? My mother came over for nearly 4 months when my kid was born. She was definitely not here to earn a salary. She actually lost a considerable amount of money as she was unable to accept contracts during her stay. Same with my wife. We stayed in Canada for 9 weeks one summer (the perks of having a lot of vacation). She was there for legitimate reasons (we were visiting my family). |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:57 am Post subject: |
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The 6 month tourist visa (for Canadians) does not need to be eliminated or made shorter Julius. That is killing a bug with a sledgehammer.
The proper and reasonable response would be for kimmi to make it harder to renew the tourist visa a second or third time by checking up on the "tourist".
I also have to say the 6-month visa was great when my mother visited after our son was born. she stayed 4 months as well.
A tourist already needs outbound travel to enter in most cases, that should be checked automatically.
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| I would also think that Canada would get more overstay illegals. Canada is easier to hide in, then Korea. Canada is more accepting of different races and cultures, plus not as much ID paranoia like here in Korea. |
It is true it may be easier to hide in Canada as a tourist wishing to over stay or stay illegally but what that tourist can do remains very limited. they will have a hard time finding good work (legal) because that requires a SIN number...tourist do not get this. Banking and Credit will be a pain in the butt too as will housing (rental agreements typically require a credit check and an employment reference). At the end of the day a tourist in Canada wishing to stay and work will end up working less than good illegal jobs with very little protection from employer abuse. |
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