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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| I'm With You wrote: |
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| The uni I work at has offset the contract dates on some waygook contracts simply so they can continue to wait until the last possible moment to renew them, and so they can avoid the rush at immigration (my guess). So this school has professors getting their visa extended another year while they have already begun teaching the new school year (yet they still have a week left on their contracts). It seems odd to me, and not sure I would let them do that to my contract. |
Is that legal?
By offset, you mean they increase the length of the contracts by several weeks? |
No, they just signed them on a week later when originally hired, for various reasons.
I know, in at least one case, it was illegal for about a week. The teacher got fined but was reimbursed. Another teacher started a week late because they were stuck overseas. In the first case, our school had waited too long getting the proper visa paperwork for that teacher. So their ARC ends something like September 6, as an example. Yeah, it is a bit odd. Not sure of all the details. |
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Bollocks
Joined: 12 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:38 am Post subject: |
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As someone currently working on my MA, I'm curious about a thing:
As the university eligible hiring pool is smaller than that of all available English teachers in Korea in general, how much leeway do we have in terms of contract negotiations?
For example: I see a few uni job ads these days that require teaching during the off season. How reasonable is it for an applicant to say, "No. In fact, *beep* that." and still get hired? |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Bollocks wrote: |
As someone currently working on my MA, I'm curious about a thing:
As the university eligible hiring pool is smaller than that of all available English teachers in Korea in general, how much leeway do we have in terms of contract negotiations?
For example: I see a few uni job ads these days that require teaching during the off season. How reasonable is it for an applicant to say, "No. In fact, *beep* that." and still get hired? |
Each Institution hiring practices will be different. At our National University the contract states that employees may be requested to work during winter and summer vacation periods. This means that if there is a need, they will ask. I used to be on the hiring committee and it was my job as the native speaking committee person to make this clear to interviewees.
I know that different Universities will stress different things. I just spoke with a colleague the other day that said it would be nice to be back at our University where there was an option to work during break periods because it was not an option where they worked in a private University.
You will just have to research the particular job before applying if it is a concern. I am not trying to make excuses, but the hiring practices are going to vary a great deal depending on the Institution. Good luck and congrats on your MA whenever you will be done.  |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Bollocks wrote: |
As someone currently working on my MA, I'm curious about a thing:
As the university eligible hiring pool is smaller than that of all available English teachers in Korea in general, how much leeway do we have in terms of contract negotiations?
For example: I see a few uni job ads these days that require teaching during the off season. How reasonable is it for an applicant to say, "No. In fact, *beep* that." and still get hired? |
That depends on what you are saying "no" to.
For example... some schools may require you to teach in the off-season for base pay. I would say "no" to that, and also expect not to be hired.
At some schools (mine included), we are paid 30 to 40,000 per hour for extra work at camps (they aren't really camps, but they call them that), Summer/Winter school classes, and extra time doing small-group teaching/facilitating with students.
We have 15 foreigners in our department, approximately. We have enough people who want the hours, and enough of a balance of hires who want to return home opposite winter/summer from the others, that we don't have many problems. By that, I mean we have waygooks from the Northern hemisphere and the Southern hemisphere, so they value different seasons for returning home.
Getting paid a few million extra during a break isn't seen as a bad thing to most of us. In fact, some of us scramble to get all of the extra hours we can get. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| Bollocks wrote: |
As someone currently working on my MA, I'm curious about a thing:
As the university eligible hiring pool is smaller than that of all available English teachers in Korea in general, how much leeway do we have in terms of contract negotiations?
For example: I see a few uni job ads these days that require teaching during the off season. How reasonable is it for an applicant to say, "No. In fact, *beep* that." and still get hired? |
Sure!..,I'd give you 4 months off instead of the contracted 2 when all the other NETs are doing the required camps.. You should probably ask for fewer weekly hours while you're at it.. And a pay bump.. And demand tenure track too..single office with panoramic views next to the uni president..
I mean you have errr.. zero uni experience .. And no MA yet.. But I'm sure you've got a hellva nice smile!. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'd rather take all of the overtime/camps that I can :p
Unless of course overtime/camps = lower pay than regular teaching hours. I have seen a few of those go around, which just kind of puzzles me. |
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