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When is it okay to give up on your dreams?
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never! You can't ever quit! SimCity is just that addictive! Laughing

Seriuosly, a man has a profession and a business. Profession is the job you have (ESL in this case) and business is your dream (urban planning). You never stop living your dream. Rearranging your furniture is urban planning. Improving garbage pickup in your neighbourhood is urban planning. And yes, playing SimCity is urban planning, too. Smile
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Threequalseven



Joined: 08 May 2012

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Never! You can't ever quit! SimCity is just that addictive! Laughing

Seriuosly, a man has a profession and a business. Profession is the job you have (ESL in this case) and business is your dream (urban planning). You never stop living your dream. Rearranging your furniture is urban planning. Improving garbage pickup in your neighbourhood is urban planning. And yes, playing SimCity is urban planning, too. Smile

Haha, I wish SimCity was urban planning. Planning is more like being one of those advisers in the game and having most of your good ideas shut down.

But honestly, whatever happens will require sacrifice. I did a quick job search in my state after I wrote this, and found a job I would actually qualify for (without a masters degree). Unfortunately, it's in a city of less than 2,000 people and it would be a 2 1/2 hour drive to the nearest city over 100,000 people. I can't imagine moving from the skyscrapers of Asia to some no-mans-land like that. The difficult thing about moving to a different part of the country is that you have to drive all the way there just for the interview.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll eventually tire of teaching ESL.

Maybe you get the job in the 2000 people town, then move to bigger and better things after that.
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
I think you'll eventually tire of teaching ESL.

Maybe you get the job in the 2000 people town, then move to bigger and better things after that.


Yes, very wise advice. I know plenty of people who've done it and I kick myself for not trying to do the same.
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robbie_davies



Joined: 16 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't 'give up' on your dreams as such, you evolve as a person. Between 14-25, I wanted to be world heavyweight boxing champion, because I didn't doesn't mean my life has been ruined as a result. I have mentally evolved and realised that being a world heavyweight boxing champion brings with it its own bucket of shit to carry around. Being world heavyweight boxing champion is no better or worse than being an ESL teacher (shock horror!) it just has a different set of problems.

Like a West Brom player I used to know who spent all his savings on the gee gees - he is still something of a local hero as he played for the Baggies but I wouldn't swap his grim existence now for what I have now.

There is nothing wrong with teaching ESL, do you know how many people back home would saw their right bollock off to live the life of an exapt rather than exist in some grey town with grey skies living with people with grey faces? Living abroad was a dream of mine as a kid because I wanted to escape the grey and now I am doing it.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone eventually goes home. In one form or another.




In any case, for most of us (I include myself in this group) who let the years abroad get away, we simply forget how difficult it is going back. A gap year seems like a great idea fresh out of a college, and it is. But three? Five? Would you still want to be teaching English at the same eikaiwa when you’re 33? 45? What if you think that’s what you want, only to get tired and try to go back?






And this talk about Japan sure sounds a lot like us!

http://forum.gaijinpot.com/showthread.php?125160-Does-everyone-become-a-disgruntled-expat-over-time
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robbie_davies



Joined: 16 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Died By Bear wrote:
Everyone eventually goes home. In one form or another.




In any case, for most of us (I include myself in this group) who let the years abroad get away, we simply forget how difficult it is going back. A gap year seems like a great idea fresh out of a college, and it is. But three? Five? Would you still want to be teaching English at the same eikaiwa when you’re 33? 45? What if you think that’s what you want, only to get tired and try to go back?






And this talk about Japan sure sounds a lot like us!

http://forum.gaijinpot.com/showthread.php?125160-Does-everyone-become-a-disgruntled-expat-over-time


Yeah, but why limit yourself to staying at the eikaiwa or the hagwon? Why not go and take some more qualifications and get a better paid job, EFL is still a growth industry. Is sitting on a poli-sci degree teaching English into your 50's a daft idea? And I would agree that it is. A 50 year old who has took related postgraduate degrees and partook in personal development isn't going to be short of options - in my opinion.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RD I support that thought entirely. It's never too late:


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-diana-nyad-cuba-florida-swim-20130902,0,6719079.story
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yodanole



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you wake up...
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Died By Bear wrote:
RD I support that thought entirely. It's never too late:


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-diana-nyad-cuba-florida-swim-20130902,0,6719079.story


I remember studying her story in TIME for my English lessons in 70's. Well done. Very Happy

Now the next challenge: swim the Republican-Democratic divide. Laughing
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would you be willing to risk if there was no chance of failure?

That's how you must think.

Remember, It's never too late to be what you could've been.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
What would you be willing to risk if there was no chance of failure?

That's how you must think.

Remember, It's never too late to be what you could've been.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QsNXd57Ppw
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, philosophy is now just a "throw-away" degree. Thousands of years of extremely talented people, some of the best to have ever lived, giving their best thoughts on almost everything, not least what makes a dignified and meaningful life for the short and (presumably) only time we'll ever live, but now it's to be thrown away because it doesn't get some precious dear a job in an office. What *beep* has this species become? hahaha
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I'm With You



Joined: 01 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds of what Bukowski said about this sort of thing in his poem titled, Roll the Dice!

Quote:
If you’re going to try, go all the way.
otherwise, don’t even start.

if you’re going to try, go all the way.
this could mean losing girlfriends,
wives, relatives, jobs and
maybe your mind.

go all the way.
it could mean not eating for 3 or 4 days.
it could mean freezing on a
park bench.
it could mean jail,
it could mean derision,
mockery,
isolation.

isolation is the gift,
all others are a test of your
endurance, of
how much you really want to
do it.
and you’ll do it
despite rejection and the worst odds
and it will be better than
anything else
you can imagine.

if you’re going to try,
go all the way.
there is no other feeling like
that.
you will be alone with the gods
and the nights will flame with
fire.

do it, do it, do it.
do it.

all the way.
all the way.

you will ride life straight to
perfect laughter, its
the only good fight
there is
.
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isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: When is it okay to give up on your dreams? Reply with quote

Threequalseven wrote:
When is it okay to give up on your dreams?


There's no time like the present.
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