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What do you think of "male-free" zones?
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Mix1

Joined: 08 May 2007

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:34 am Post subject:

Fox wrote:

Mix1 wrote:

If they ever do implement woman-only subway cars, I bet plenty will use them. If you talk to the women themselves, they'll tell you there is plenty of creepy behavior going on as far as they are concerned: sketchy and aggressive advances, following, aggressive non-stop stares, hand-grabbing, groping, odd conversations, etc.

I don't know how bad it actually is, but enough women likely perceive it to be bad enough many would flock to the woman only cars. Just listening to my girlfriend's near weekly weird subway stories of creepers following her had me tell her "If that happens again, call me and I'll meet you at the station."

Yes, if they offered women-only cars, plenty of women would use them. And if they offered elderly-only cars, elderly people would use them. And if they offered Christian-only cars, Christians would use them. What group would turn down an exclusive-use subway car? It's pure benefit: you can still sit in general seating if you want, but you've also got a bunch of seats reserved specifically for your group.

Well, yeah, of course... But the point I was trying to emphasize more was that of perceived safety. But I guess you'd get them all flocking into there regardless of whether it was safe or not. And I agree with the guy who said it would turn into the default ajumma car, forcing out the younger attractive ones who might actually need the service/protection a bit more ( unless of course there is the odd perv with a fetish for perms and hiking gear). Smile

Hmm... Christian only cars. Laughing

I'd almost prefer the ajumma car.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:43 am Post subject:

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f Korea had laws as tight as the US, most opf the country's men would be behind bars. Either for public drunkenness, sexual harrasmaent or urinating in public

How many things wrong with this sentence....Skip the Korea bashing, that's just Julius riling people up. But the sheer silliness....

Behind bars? What? 6 months in county? 2 years at J-State or Muskegeon?

For URINATING IN PUBLIC or PUBLIC INTOXICATION?

Offenses that are civil infractions?

Yeah the jails are overflowing with people doing hard time for UIP and Public Intox.....

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So typical behavior doesn't equate to majority behavior.

So, if Korean males are typically sexual harassers and perverts, then NETs are typically former drug users?

Unless I'm wrong and finding people who have smoked pot in college is a rare occurrence here.

If you want to tar the Koreans, you have to accept your own tar. By your own standard atwood. By your own standard.

Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:40 am Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

For URINATING IN PUBLIC or PUBLIC INTOXICATION?

Offenses that are civil infractions?

Those infractions can and do frequently result in a night in the cells in the UK and US.

They also are added to a persons criminal record and appear on their background check.

Korea bans foreign teachers for such minor infractions.

Yet on an average friday night in Seoul you will see korean males all over the country committing the above crimes without even raising eyebrows.

CaptainCorea wrote:

I already feel that Korea is pretty segregated in terms of genders.

Right, its hardly a new idea.

There are already female-only car parks.

Many of the department stores have them. Its a lonely dark walk back to your car for a single female.

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Almost a quarter of men in some Asian countries 'admit rape'
The Independent, Tuesday 10 September 2013

A survey has revealed the extent of sexual violence in some parts of Asia after almost a quarter of men admitted committing rape.

Rape was common within relationships but about one in 10 men in some parts admitted raping a woman who was not their partner, according to a UN report which is the first large study of rape and sexual violence.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/almost-a-quarter-of-men-in-some-asian-countries-admit-rape-8806114.html

Sigh.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:27 pm Post subject:

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Those infractions can and do frequently result in a night in the cells in the UK and US.

They also are added to a persons criminal record and appear on their background check.

First, they are civil infractions frequently punished by a ticket.

And sorry dude, walk around any college campus in the US on a football Saturday and you'll see plenty of public intoxication and no one cares. Go to any downtown with any kind of real nightlife and you'll see people drunk and someone taking a whizz in an alley.

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Korea bans foreign teachers for such minor infractions.

So throwing Korean men in jail for Public Intox or UIP would be a just punishment, but denying immigration to Foreign men would be heavy-handed?

And if they are minor infractions, isn't it good for Korea not to be filling its jails with normal folks who got drunk or someone who walking from bar to home found themselves in something of a bind.

And wouldn't that make it wrong for the US to be filling its holding cells with those folks, if indeed that actually does happen?

"But I took a piss in Reno, just had to open my fly. When I hear that whistle blowin..."

Seriously Julius, let the froth and foam settle a little before you type. [/quote]

optik404

Joined: 24 Jun 2008

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:17 pm Post subject:

I thought only felonies pop up on the criminal background check that teachers have to do. I would assume public urination isn't a felony

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:10 pm Post subject:

atwood wrote:

Is it typical at a stop light for two, three or four cars to run the red, especially at turn signals? I'd say yes (unless there's a camera at that particular stop light). Does that mean the majority of drivers run red lights? Not necessarily.

So typical behavior doesn't equate to majority behavior.

Here we differ. Your example about typical behaviour at red lights is one that's close to my heart (was swiped by a hogwon van a few days back when he ran a red). Now, is it "typical" though (to be clear, the original post I was questioning used the word "average")? Do most Korean drivers run red lights? Not sure. But it's frequent, that's for sure. So frequent that any one of us could see it multiple times per day. Heck, I see it multiple times per minute in my area.

Here's how I'd break it down. I wouldn't say the typical Korean driver runs red lights. But I'd say it's very frequent. To me, typical means the majority, or close enough to it to represent that group. And IMO, molesting girls on the train does not represent Korean males. Now, I know that ppl love to target KOrean males on this forum, but I think there needs to be balance to it.

Is the typical foreigner a criminal? There sure are a lot of crimes committed by foreigners. Should we now say it's typical?

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As stated by another poster, harsh punishment probably isn't going to happen anytime soon in Korea. Until then male-free zones are the way to go and I applaud those instituting them rather than pushing the responsibility off on the police or other governmental organizations.

A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.

That's how you feel. I differ. An unjust plan today, will lead to problems tomorrow. Justice would be taking the guilty off the streets.

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As for the study on porn you reference, I'd say the cultures of northern Europe and Korea differ enough so that such a study may well not apply here.

You can say whatever you like. A poster proposed that Korea's high consumption of porn was somehow linked to this issue, I countered. And you brought.... ?

Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject:

There should be safe-rooms for women to run into along avery main street and back alley. Its almost every week I hear the sound of some womans anguished screaming and clip-clopping of stilletoes running away as some caveman roars and grunts after her. Seoul is a primitive landscape after nightfall.

optik404

Joined: 24 Jun 2008

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:45 pm Post subject:

Julius wrote:

There should be safe-rooms for women to run into along avery main street and back alley.

Its almost every week I hear the sound of some womans anguished screaming and clip-clopping of stilletoes running away as some caveman roars and grunts after her. Seoul is a primitive landscape after nightfall.

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