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nora
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 Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:11 am Post subject: Almost a quarter of men admit to rape in Asia |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24021573
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Almost a quarter of men surveyed in a UN report looking at violence against women in parts of Asia have admitted to committing at least one rape.
Rape was particularly common within relationships. However, one in 10 men admitted raping a woman who was not their partner. |
More at link
Just going to tip-toe out of here... |
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Ginormousaurus
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:16 am Post subject: |
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You're title is somewhat misleading. It's not a quarter of men in Asia. It's a quarter of men from the six Asian countries surveyed.
Maybe that's splitting hairs, but I think the distinction should be made.
Actually, after rereading your title, it seems to suggest a quarter of ALL men admit to rape while in Asia.  |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it doesn't include the 2nd biggest country in the world (and Asia): India. Nor Japan, Thailand, South Korea, etc.
The % in Papua New Guinea is crazy: 62%! |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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It is the first multi-country study to examine how widespread violence against women is and the reasons behind it.
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Men were asked questions like:
-Have you ever had sex with your partner when you knew she didn't want to but you thought she should agree because she's your wife/ partner?
-Have you ever had sex with a woman or girl when she was too drunk or drugged to say whether she wanted it or not? |
I've had sex with women when I didn't really want to do so. I've had sex with women when I was too drunk to say whether I really wanted it or not. Was I rape in those circumstances? Of course not, so why should we automatically deem the reverse rape? The rational answer is that we should not. The feminist answer is, "Come on, men are bad."
This is not a study, it is a deliberate and deceptive attempt to craft a narrative. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
Yeah, it doesn't include the 2nd biggest country in the world (and Asia): India. Nor Japan, Thailand, South Korea, etc.
The % in Papua New Guinea is crazy: 62%! |
No, that number is not crazy as in it ought to be near 100%. Pack rape is a traditional tribal culture over there. It's what men do. It's just like american men are expected to play football, get a job, get married. And so is blood feud. If you run over a native with your car and kill him then one of his kinsmen will be forever out to settle the score. It's what papua men do.
Anyway, point they are making is, you might have economic success and have money but law and order is a requisite condition for continued success. Without it, they'll go back to being poor. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Asia is a big place. It's like surveying a few Eastern european baltic states and saying "Europe" thinks such and such. Really S. Korea has almost nothing in common with Sri Lanka.
Papua New Guinea Bougainville Island - 62%
Indonesia Papua Province - 48.6%
Indonesia urban - 26.2%
China urban/rural - 22.2%
Cambodia - 20.4%
Indonesia rural - 19.5%
Sri Lanka - 14.5%
Bangladesh rural - 14.1%
Bangladesh urban - 9.5%
Just looking at those numbers, you see huge differences. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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A female exchange student described India as "a woman's hell." She was diagnosed with PTSD after spending three months there.
"(CNN) -- Michaela Cross, an American student at the University of Chicago, has written a powerful account of her study abroad trip to India last year, during which she says she experienced relentless sexual harassment, groping and worse.
"Upon her return, she says she was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and is now on a mental leave of absence from the school after a public breakdown in the spring."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/20/world/american-student-india-sexual-harassment-irpt/index.html |
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IPayInCash
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Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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Women that CHOOSE to go to Inida despite all of the rapes and sexual assault that go on there get no sympathy from me. Like that idiot that got kidnapped in NK ignoring USs warnings then begging the USA to bail him out  |
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augustine
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, there are always crazy rape stories coming out of India. I think a Korean reporter was gang raped there last month. Gang rape, whew, what an insane concept. I read a story where some woman was gang raped on a bus by the bus driver and some passengers. What the fu... can you imagine being a situation where you were on a bus with a woman and some other dudes, and they just start eying each other like, "Let's hit this shit" AND the bus driver pulls over to get in on the action? What kind of mentality do you have to have to participate in something like that? Really disturbing stuff. I think they just threw her body out of the bus door and kept rolling after that too.
I don't know about this study but rape is a pretty serious thing to me, just because it's such a freaky thing to do, grab some random chick and force her to have sex with you, wtf. And it can really screw girls up mentally. I think it's natural, in the worst possible way, but the biology is too strong and if you can't get any... well, a lot of dudes gonna be raping out there. I've heard more than a fair share of attempted rape stories from Korean women and it's jarred me. My ex told me like five attempted rape stories, where dudes literally put a knife to her throat (twice!) or jacked her from behind and tried to drag her into the bushes. Five violent rape attacks? That's nuts. But, she had what can only be described as a relentless and vicious psychotic side to her personality, so no one was getting through that door uninvited, boy.  She still went jogging in the park at like midnight too, totally unfazed. Most violent human I've ever met. She also got one dude put in the can that eventually killed himself because of the shame over it. Anyway, said it before, saying it again, K dudes are big in the rape game. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| This is not a study, it is a deliberate and deceptive attempt to craft a narrative. |
The private subway car company will go into full production soon. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
You're title is somewhat misleading. It's not a quarter of men in Asia. It's a quarter of men from the six Asian countries surveyed.
Maybe that's splitting hairs, but I think the distinction should be made.
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Thats true but do you really think Korea is so different?
The fact that six asian countries are like this indicates that other asian countries are likely to be similar.
Live in Korea for a year and whaddya know: it becomes obvious that attitudes to women here have a long way to catch up to the west. |
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Ginormousaurus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
You're title is somewhat misleading. It's not a quarter of men in Asia. It's a quarter of men from the six Asian countries surveyed.
Maybe that's splitting hairs, but I think the distinction should be made.
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Thats true but do you really think Korea is so different?
The fact that six asian countries are like this indicates that other asian countries are likely to be similar.
Live in Korea for a year and whaddya know: it becomes obvious that attitudes to women here have a long way to catch up to the west. |
I agree with you, Julius. After reading the headlines that accompanied this study on a few different news sites, I just thought title of this thread was not worded as clearly as it could have been. No big deal though. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
You're title is somewhat misleading. It's not a quarter of men in Asia. It's a quarter of men from the six Asian countries surveyed.
Maybe that's splitting hairs, but I think the distinction should be made.
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Thats true but do you really think Korea is so different?
The fact that six asian countries are like this indicates that other asian countries are likely to be similar.
Live in Korea for a year and whaddya know: it becomes obvious that attitudes to women here have a long way to catch up to the west. |
You mean like THESE attitudes?
http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/college_campuses_and_rape.htm
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60% of male college students “indicated some likelihood of raping or using force in certain circumstances.”
Every 21 hours there is another rape on an American college campus....
43% of college men admit using coercive behavior to have sex, including ignoring a woman’s protest; using physical aggression; and forcing intercourse; 15% acknowledged they had committed acquaintance rape; 11% acknowledged using physical restraint to force a woman to have sex.
College rape victims receive external physical injuries in over 47% of all rapes. |
And these are college-educated people...hardly some Neanderthal knuckle-dragging types.
I'd say attitudes towards women have a long way to catch up all over the world. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| I'd say attitudes towards women have a long way to catch up all over the world. |
Yes, if one looks at intentionally deceptive statistics, it really seems like men all over the world are monstrous rapists. The word "including" is a strong indicator of propaganda in circumstances like these; what really happens is that a questionnaire will ask you an innocuous question like, "Did you ever have intercourse with your girlfriend when she didn't feel like it?" or, "Did you ever have intercourse with your girlfriend while she was drunken?" and those who answer yes will be counted as rapists to inflate the figures.
In reality, the overwhelming majority of men have never raped a woman by any reasonable standard (no saying, "Come on, honey," after your girlfriend says she has a headache and then having sex with her after she says okay isn't rape, regardless of what some "woman's studies" professor might think of it), and the overwhelming majority of women have never been raped by similar reasonable standards. There is no rape epidemic in the west. There's also no rape epidemic in Korea. It's a crime which occasionally occurs, like many others. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| I'd say attitudes towards women have a long way to catch up all over the world. |
Yes, if one looks at intentionally deceptive statistics, it really seems like men all over the world are monstrous rapists. The word "including" is a strong indicator of propaganda in circumstances like these; what really happens is that a questionnaire will ask you an innocuous question like, "Did you ever have intercourse with your girlfriend when she didn't feel like it?" or, "Did you ever have intercourse with your girlfriend while she was drunken?" and those who answer yes will be counted as rapists to inflate the figures.
In reality, the overwhelming majority of men have never raped a woman by any reasonable standard (no saying, "Come on, honey," after your girlfriend says she has a headache and then having sex with her after she says okay isn't rape, regardless of what some "woman's studies" professor might think of it), and the overwhelming majority of women have never been raped by similar reasonable standards. There is no rape epidemic in the west. There's also no rape epidemic in Korea. It's a crime which occasionally occurs, like many others. |
And on top of that, in large parts of Asia, women are culturally expected to feign resistance before sex. I wonder how they worded these questionnaires... |
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