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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:15 am Post subject:

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I did not however throw my arms around, squeal like a pig, and have food shooting out of my mouth to show my gratitude.

That's not an exaggeration? Really? I'm going to watch people jumping up and down at a Korean restaurant or at a family dinner? Sure, there weren't other issues there that put an exaggerated negative spin on your memories and write up of the event?

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Do you even have a Korean wife?

What does that have to do with Korean people saying "Delicious"?

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Do you have any first hand experience other than what you've seen on TV?

Are you asking me if I, a person who has associated with Koreans for over a dozen years, and lives in Korea, has any firsthand experience in dining with other Koreans or eating meals in their homes? Seriously?

One thing, have you ever tried to put yourself in a Korean persons shoes and visualized foreigners and our mannerisms and imagined how they might perceive us? Have you tried to see yourself and perceive how you or other foreigners react to food you enjoy? What do you think they see? What behaviors do foreigners exhibit or engage in when they eat?

And if you think "eating calmly, while behaving in completely dignified fashion, and with simple, straightforward comments about the cuisine" is the right answer, you're not very good at this.

Being able to empathize and perceive how others perceive you or your own flaws or quirks or habits is one of the hardest things for people to do.

You do realize that we too make funny sounds when we eat, right? The hot cheese suction sound when eating pizza. The "hu hu hu hu" when eating something hot. The "Mmmmhhh" we say.

How many out there perceived the cheese scent we have or that our food is disproportionately fried and cheesed? That drinking from the bottle makes one look like an infant or person with a serious problem? Or its strange that there aren't towels for cleaning ones hands offered at restaurants and people do not regularly wash them before eating (not saying all westerners)? How about turning banchan into full dishes and overindulging on them? Making burrito sized wraps and stuffing your mouth full? Blowing your nose at the table?

Gee, when you put things like that it makes us seem like uncouth apes.

But we aren't and neither are they. Understand how things mirror and compare to each other.

J Rock

Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Location: The center of the Earth, Suji

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:55 am Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

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I did not however throw my arms around, squeal like a pig, and have food shooting out of my mouth to show my gratitude.

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Do you even have a Korean wife?

What does that have to do with Korean people saying "Delicious"?

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Do you have any first hand experience other than what you've seen on TV?

I'm not going to argue with you anymore you're obviously a supremely intelligent person who has Korea all figured out. Not me nor anyone else can change your mind.

All joking aside, you need a girlfriend.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:21 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

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But I did say that I've experienced times that your theory cannot hold true. As well, it runs counter to what friends and family members have said on the subject.

So you're saying Koreans don't say "delicious" as another way of expressing thanks to the cook for the time and effort they took to prepare someone or to express their thanks for someone buying a bunch of food for everyone?

Sometimes its inane babel, sometimes its delicious food. Sometimes its being polite and saying thank you.

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Yeah, they might to me. especially if there's volume and hand motions involved.

Saying "Those were some damn good ribs" is weird?

Here's what you may be missing... it's the exageration that's key! The over-acting.

"These are good ribs." is common.
"WOW!!!! SSSOOOOO GOOOOODDD!!!! nom nom nom, THESE ARE SO GOOOOOD!!!" is not so common. See the difference?

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No. I don't go on about stuff like that, THUS I find it odd when others do. Do you not get that?

Really? It's strange when people enjoy food?

Quit trolling and read. I said "go on about"... not enjoy. Stop your arguing for arguing sake.

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Funny. Traditionally in my family we were told to eat in silence.

Note - different cultures.

No, that's just one family. Are Canadian restaurants temples of silence? If so, then its cultural. If not, then that's your own family.

I thought you had experience in lots of cultures? You've seriously never heard of this before??? Here were some rules and my granpa's house
-Chew with your mouth closed
-no speaking unless spoken to
-no one left the table without permission
-no phone interruptions

and it went on. This is not so strange for that generation and culture. If you really have so much cultural experience as you claim, you would have recognized that. MANY European families were like this in my area (Hungarian, Ukrainian, German, etc...)

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Ah, here's the key. You're taking sides. Koreans are "normal", Westerners are "not normal".

No, you're not getting what I'm saying. There is a tendency for us from Western countries, and North America (and other people around the world do it too) in particular, to regard the rest of the world as "different" or "strange", when in fact we are the greatest cultural outliers.

It's not a western tendency - everyone does it. ppl go to other countries and note the differences. It happens, and it's common. Quit trying to make it an anti-Asian thing.

Steelrails wrote:

You do realize that we too make funny sounds when we eat, right? The hot cheese suction sound when eating pizza. The "hu hu hu hu" when eating something hot. The "Mmmmhhh" we say.

How many out there perceived the cheese scent we have or that our food is disproportionately fried and cheesed? That drinking from the bottle makes one look like an infant or person with a serious problem? Or its strange that there aren't towels for cleaning ones hands offered at restaurants and people do not regularly wash them before eating (not saying all westerners)? How about turning banchan into full dishes and overindulging on them? Making burrito sized wraps and stuffing your mouth full? Blowing your nose at the table?

Gee, when you put things like that it makes us seem like uncouth apes.

You certainly o love to turn things into one side vs another.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:57 pm Post subject:

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"These are good ribs." is common.
"WOW!!!! SSSOOOOO GOOOOODDD!!!! nom nom nom, THESE ARE SO GOOOOOD!!!" is not so common. See the difference?

Really? Ever go out to dinner with foodies to a restaurant they are crazy about and listen to them prattle on for 15 minutes about the free-range chicken this, balsamic vinegar sustainable salmon that, etc. etc.

It just doesn't stick out because it is in our native language and the other diners look like us.

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I said "go on about"...

What do you think the Food Network is? There's a reason they call it food porn. Want to see foreigners drool over food? Take a couple people who have been here for 6 months eating small-town local whatehaveyou and drop em off at Sharkey's in Busan and listen to them ooh ahh and nom nom nom for 10 minutes.

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-Chew with your mouth closed
-no speaking unless spoken to
-no one left the table without permission
-no phone interruptions

Right, but where's the rule that says "Don't compliment the host on their cooking and praise aspects of each dish"?

I can't seem to recall that one. THAT's what we're talking about. Not talking on cell phones, not leaving the table. We're talking about calling the food delicious and praising it.

Please, show me the culture where that is rude to do to someone's family who invited you over to their house for dinner.

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Quit trying to make it an anti-Asian thing.

No, I'm saying that in general, and that's the point of the article, that North Americans tend to be highly unusual culturally and psychologically relative to the rest of the world.

Case in point to us its "weird" to live with mom and dad. In a lot countries, not just Asia, that is normal.

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You certainly o love to turn things into one side vs another.

Then you missed the point. The point was to show how from their side, certain things we do might seem to be "going on and on" or rude and crude. But they aren't. We just have a difficulty in seeing how our "normal" dining behaviors may be "strange" to others.

Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:35 pm Post subject:

On a forum full of stupid arguments, this one takes the delicious, delicious cake.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:01 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

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"These are good ribs." is common.
"WOW!!!! SSSOOOOO GOOOOODDD!!!! nom nom nom, THESE ARE SO GOOOOOD!!!" is not so common. See the difference?

No. I don't hang around with "foodies", and quite frankly, don't think I've ever said the word.

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I said "go on about"...

What do you think the Food Network is? There's a reason they call it food porn. Want to see foreigners drool over foo