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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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Because a fool can be amusing, but they are still a fool.


Are you saying a fool can write a successful sit-com? I'd like to see you try


Maybe a fool cannot write a successful sit-com, but a fool can definitely enjoy one. Remember, the overwhelming majority of the population are passive participants in the creative process; their likes and dislikes may influence the final product, but it requires precisely zero brainpower on the part of the common man to get those shows on the air.

It seems like the best you can really say is that, "What British people like is smarter than what Korean people like," but it's strange to equate liking something to intelligence. I don't like sports, and that makes it tempting to dismiss affection for sports as a low-intelligence hobby, but I realize that's not fair.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Making people laugh and being able to rationally analyze problems are two separate things.



Yes they are I agree but I don't see why one should be accepted as the gold standard of 'intelligence' and the other shouldn't. There's a massive bias towards mathematical type people in IQ tests, simply because that type of test results are easier to calculate. Doesn't mean it's a better way of measuring intelligence. As most people concede success at IQ tests proves you are very good at IQ tests, and not much else
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since comedy is so culturally based, I'd agree that it's not a valid measurement of intelligence.


So you're discounting all literature, well all arts, as a measurement as well?

No, but comedy, specifically that on TV and in movies, stands apart in the sense it's mostly just to entertain and is often aimed at the lowest common denominator.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe a fool cannot write a successful sit-com, but a fool can definitely enjoy one. Remember, the overwhelming majority of the population are passive participants in the creative process; their likes and dislikes may influence the final product, but it requires precisely zero brainpower on the part of the common man to get those shows on the air.


Well 80% of internet traffic is looking at porn but it doesn't make the people who invented it (the internet) any less smart


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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, but comedy, specifically that on TV and in movies, stands apart in the sense it's mostly just to entertain and is often aimed at the lowest common denominator.


So was Dickens and Shakespeare.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
geography dictated that Korea could not be an expansionist power - even if it dearly wanted to be one.


Both Korea and UK are geographically isolated nations of about the same size and population.

I don't think geography has anything to do with it. Its that they never had any fresh blood. No new ideas, no inflow of different peoples or cultures. Total stagnation.



That was pretty much the case for most countries only a few generations ago.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which do you think is a better indication of intelligence- taste in comedy or mathematical reasoning?

Anyone else tired of the denigration of mathematics and science that tends to crop up on these boards? I find it odd that in one paragraph people will trumpet scientific achievements and in the next, dismiss scores showing high science and mathematical abilities.

In my experience, the people who tend to belittle math and science are those who are rather poor at it and are trying to compensate for that fact. They also tend to be rather frustrated at the fact that those people tend to be making more money than them.

It's a symptom of the wider anti-intellectual movement.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which do you think is a better indication of intelligence- taste in comedy or mathematical reasoning?


Depends on your definition of intelligence doesn't it.

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In my experience, the people who tend to belittle math and science are those who are rather poor at it and are trying to compensate for that fact. They also tend to be rather frustrated at the fact that those people tend to be making more money than them.



Yes well people say the same kind of thing when posters slag off K pop. Personally I'm totally in awe of people who are good in these fields and don't begrudge them their financial rewards at all. I don't think they have a monopoly on the concept of intelligence, however.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Which do you think is a better indication of intelligence- taste in comedy or mathematical reasoning?


Well, it's not really mathematical reasoning in this context, though, is it? It's mathematical memorization. I remember seeing some stats that showed that Asians in the US did better than other races in the maths and sciences until the later stages of high school (when you have to start going further than simple memorization). After that it evened out, and in University Asians tended to be slightly behind. I'm not going to base anything on those stats right now because I don't have the time to look for them, but I would again point out that while Korea does well on these standardized tests, they don't seem to have any internationally recognized mathematicians. In fact, if Korea was this good at math wouldn't the flow of students go the opposite direction? Just an honest question.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. BlackCat wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Which do you think is a better indication of intelligence- taste in comedy or mathematical reasoning?


Well, it's not really mathematical reasoning in this context, though, is it? It's mathematical memorization. I remember seeing some stats that showed that Asians in the US did better than other races in the maths and sciences until the later stages of high school (when you have to start going further than simple memorization). After that it evened out, and in University Asians tended to be slightly behind. I'm not going to base anything on those stats right now because I don't have the time to look for them, but I would again point out that while Korea does well on these standardized tests, they don't seem to have any internationally recognized mathematicians. In fact, if Korea was this good at math wouldn't the flow of students go the opposite direction? Just an honest question.


PISA test scores in mathematics, which Korea scored 2nd in the world, says otherwise. The test questions don't measure remote memorization of mere equations but problem solving skills. You should also recheck those stats you mentioned. Asian Americans have been scoring higher than any other ethnic groups in SAT mathematics, and in fact the gap has been growing. And yes, Korea doesn't have any Gauss, but to state that Korea doesn't have 'any' internationally recognized mathematicians is just simply wrong.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
Whose territory were they going to seize?


The UK sailed to the other side of the earth in pursuit of new territory.
They never colonized their nearest neighbours France, Iceland Holland or Spain.

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And their size forced them into a permant defensive pose.

They always had a relatively large population if they had wanted a big army.

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As an island with a formidable navy it was very difficult to invade, allowing it the stability to develop its strength. It's unrivalled navy also let it expand overseas.

Korea could have done the same if they had wanted. A country bordered by ocean yet they weren't any good with boats?


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I don't think there is a historian on the planet who thinks Britain's geographical location in Europe was a handicap.

Neither was Koreas. It is ssurrounded by ocean on three sides and a formidable mountain range on the other. To all practical purposes it is an island.

In fact it was so difficult to invade because of its massive natural coastal mud defences and currents.


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There's good reason why England hasn't been successfully invaded in 800 years.


yes, its because of culture and ingenuity.

Korea, on the other hand....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Britain has been invaded at least once within those last 800 years and lost its monarch in the process. However, that was because of a claimant-in-exile and a dispute over the crown. Perhaps there are other times.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who said Korea invented kim-chi?

Kim-chi, like so many other presrved food was originally from China. The Chinese used salt or brine along with dried meats or fish to preserve vegetables. If you look back in history, this is why China had salt wars as there wasn't enough to go round. This process of preserving food expanded to Korea, and until about 1600 ad, Korean preserved vegetable did not resemble the modern day dish. It was made from a grass like vegetable not the bok choi used today. Bok choi was introduced by the Chinese as they had been preseving it for the longest time. Red chilli powder was introduced by the Japanese in 1592 to add flavor and to preseve the vegetable longer. At first Koreans refused to eat it because they thought the Japanese were trying to poison them.

So there you have it. Its origin is Chinese and was made better by the Japanese. I also think the word kim-chi or its original word dim-chi is Chinese as it has Chinese characters.

If you go to China you will see that China too has lots of preserved food/ They add it to food that they are cooking whereas Korean eat it as a side dish.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Actually Britain has been invaded at least once within those last 800 years and lost its monarch in the process. However, that was because of a claimant-in-exile and a dispute over the crown. Perhaps there are other times.


Nope. In fact it's longer than 800 years. The last successful conquest of England was in 1066. True, a Scottish army invaded the north of England in the 1640s but didn't take the country. I think the incident you are referring to is the 'Revolution' of 1688, which was basically a coup. James II had converted to Catholicism, was making overtures to France, and scaring the bejeeezus out of the Protestants. Parliament subsequently offered the throne to James' daughter Mary, who happened to be married to the Dutch prince, William of Orange. William became co-monarch alongside his wife, something never done before, but it was in no sense an invasion. Within a few decades the throne would be handed to the German Hanovarians, but again no invasion. Napolean tried and failed. Hitler tried and failed, then stupidly lost interest and decided to visit Russia.

England has not been conquered since 1066.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was referring to the Battle of Bosworth and the invasion by...I can't remember, let me wiki it...Henry VII. However, he landed with a small army and gathered up supporting forces, and as a claimant himself, this could be interpreted both ways. Yes, it was an internal civil war and an English invasion of England. On the other hand, the head of government was deposed in battle as a result of the invasion and a new government put in place. Certainly it is not the same as a full out invasion.

England has been conquered, but it was conquered by England. There was also the Stephen vs. Empress Matilda affair, that was another war over claims and might as well be French/English vs. French/English.

England can be invaded, but those invaders darn well better be English!

Regardless, it is clear that skillfulness in arms, combined with judicious use of the terrain and steady navigation of international intrigues allowed England to preserve its independence.
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