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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Just don't let someone put the foolish notion into your head that a top univ. means a top-paying waygook teaching job. There may be the few unique Ph.D exceptions in specific departments, but for English teachers, these schools often suck. |
Swamp,
I've often observed a negative relationship between the prestige and brand of a university and the salary, benefits and working conditions for teachers.
Over the years, I"ve received terrible offers from Seoul National University, albeit from different sections. And any attempt to negotiate was met with a "Take it or leave it" attitude with the Korean prof. in charge of the particular section.
On the other hand, I've had what some might consider lucrative offers - in terms of TEFL'ing at Korean universities - e.g., light teaching schedules, full summer/winter vacations, above average salaries and genrous housing subsidies - from small/medium sized private universities.
Ironically, the top universities for students are not always going to be the top employers for teachers. As a side note, I have a friend teaching in Japan who works at Waseda University - arguably Japan's Yale University - and he is not impressed with the contract and management at all. Yet it's a top school. The bar is set very high for teachers at Waseda to put in extra hours on committee work and special projects and there's also a kind of "publish or perish" type attitude from the management. Yet salaries and benefits are at the same level as other friends and colleagues working at lesser knownn schools.
For me, I'd happily work for a low-ranked university that pays me well, doesn't cajole or force me to teach during the summer when all I really want to do is go back home, or try to deceive me on housing allowances, etc. Unfortunately, this may involved teaching brain dead students, but old-hands can normally manage that.
And it depends on the person, I guess. I know people that work for Yonsei or Korea University that get off on telling people that they work there. Yet they make less than other teachers working at lesser known schools and receive fewer benefits. ALmost like carrying around a PRADA or Louis Vuiton handbag, I guess. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| And it seems that SNU guards the perception with intimidation. If memory serves, they threatened to sue one of the top recruits in Korea recently for changing his mind about attending SNU for another top school. Can you imagine Harvard suing a student who chose a different school after being accepted? |
That's bizarre.
let me take a step further here, though. When I have talked to Canadian colleagues at work about Ivy League universities and rankings in the U.S., you get kind of blank look from them. They just don't care since it doesn't mean anything to them. Whether someone graduate from Unviersity of Victoria Law School or University of Manitoba doesn't seem to matter like it would in the U.S. - or Korea. They seem to assume that all universities are equal and all are heavily publicly funded. Sso when one mentions that Obama was at University of Chicago Law School or Bush got into Yale, or someone went to Harvard, it simply doesn't mean anything to them or have the same impact that it does to Koreans or Americans.
I find Koreans are more like people in the U.S. - and the Japanese as well, it seems. They care about the name value of a school, which can determine the kind of woman you marry, company you work for and the salary you earn, etc.
All because of the name of the school you attended - forget about even learning anything! |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
| When I have talked to Canadian colleagues at work about Ivy League universities and rankings in the U.S., you get kind of blank look from them. They just don't care since it doesn't mean anything to them. Whether someone graduate from Unviersity of Victoria Law School or University of Manitoba doesn't seem to matter like it would in the U.S. - or Korea. They seem to assume that all universities are equal and all are heavily publicly funded. Sso when one mentions that Obama was at University of Chicago Law School or Bush got into Yale, or someone went to Harvard, it simply doesn't mean anything to them or have the same impact that it does to Koreans or Americans. |
That's until you talk to some guy from Ontario who graduated McGill, Queens or UofT. Some of those guys are arrogant derrieres. But most of us from the west view universities as equals. |
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I-am-me
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought it was because cheating and plagiarism was an accepted practice for a major. And a minor included how to stuff white envelopes to get your way? |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| Because Papa Ajossi says it is and you always believe what your ajossi tells you. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
| When I have talked to Canadian colleagues at work about Ivy League universities and rankings in the U.S., you get kind of blank look from them. They just don't care since it doesn't mean anything to them. Whether someone graduate from Unviersity of Victoria Law School or University of Manitoba doesn't seem to matter like it would in the U.S. - or Korea. They seem to assume that all universities are equal and all are heavily publicly funded. Sso when one mentions that Obama was at University of Chicago Law School or Bush got into Yale, or someone went to Harvard, it simply doesn't mean anything to them or have the same impact that it does to Koreans or Americans. |
That's until you talk to some guy from Ontario who graduated McGill, Queens or UofT. Some of those guys are arrogant derrieres. But most of us from the west view universities as equals. |
A few good universities in the countries but more or less equal across the country. Out in the maritimes, Dalhousie is good for medical school, Mount Allison for Business, and others might be known for other things but still are more or less accepted equally I think. But, even the so called top universities in Ontario aren't anything like Harvard or Yale, etc.
Spoke to an academic dean from my former university when home visiting this summer and he had mentioned there's more emphasis on accredition in the US due to a high number of degree mills in the US. (Maybe Korea is like this too?) Anyhow, he told me Canada doesn't have degree mills. All universities are accredited by the Provincial Governments and have to meet certain minimum standards to be legal recognized as a degree granting institution. Plus many folks in a region working at different univerisites will meet together in conferences and academic forums and understand one another. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Because it produces peeps like Hwang Woo Suk, the disgraced cloning expert who was indicted on fraud and embezzlement charges? |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Currenly ranked 37th globally overall and ranked 15th globally in terms of SSI/SSCI publications. Not soo shabby. They must be doing something right. I think part of their ranking climb was connected to the number of publications, but even more importantly, the increasing number of international faculty. They have more foreign professors than any other university in Korea by leaps and bounds. If I were doing it all over again, I'd give them a shot if offered a slot there. Might not be a bad place to work lol! |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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I was a professor at catholic university of Korea and now I'm at Hanyang. My salary is almost double at Hanyang, but I'm not an English teacher. There are difference between universities. Anyone who says good uni is only a "brand" have never been to a good univ. the USA is much more balance and spread out but inequality exists. Go to any ivy or flagship state uni and its clear they have more money and get better students.
Sun has a lot more foreign students and you'll likely meet more variety. Both banyan and cuk it's mostly Chinese. At top univ in Korea more international.
As I tell all my students and friends. Send your kids to an ivy if you can. Your classmates can be Emma Watson or mark zuckerberg. When I was at uni I had the son of Boston Red Sox coach in my Japanese class and a Rockefeller in my writing class, both of course very interesting. Emma Watson cam after I graduated. |
No one would doubt that you are not an English teacher.
The reasons you suggest for going to an ivy league university seem vacuous at best. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Why is SNU the best university?
Because of the top notch writing from the English department faculty.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130917000515
Compared to Korean mothers, for example, American mothers seem to be reluctant to forgo their personal lives for their children.
I have an American friend who, like other American parents, sends her children to their bedroom at 8 o’clock in the evening. I asked, “Why do you send your children upstairs so early?” She answered without hesitation, “I need my own time too.” Of course, she had a point. Nevertheless, it occurred to me that if she were a Korean mother, she would not do that. In the eyes of a Korean mother, it would look too selfish.
“The Big Bang Theory,” too, well illustrates the difference between Korean and American mothers. Granted that it is a comedy designed to make us laugh, the sitcom still exhibits some characteristics, albeit exaggerated, of American mothers through Sheldon and Leonard’s mothers. Compared to Korean mothers, the two American mothers are often too generous, indifferent and even negligent under the slogan of “Let our children be independent.”
Throughout modern history, Korean mothers have been not only sacrificial but also exceptionally strong. They survived the harsh days of Japanese colonialism, the devastating Korean War, and the many subsequent political upheavals that tore through the country.
Indeed, it was Korean mothers who cleaned up the debris of the war and raised their children in destitute situations. Korean mothers rebuilt homes, educated their children and endured poverty and catastrophe. And that is not all. Each time the college entrance exam policy was altered, creating chaos and confusion, Korean mothers managed to navigate the new system and help their children enter college successfully. We say, “Behind every great man, there is a great woman.” In Korea, the great woman is primarily your mother, and then perhaps your wife.
Korean mothers are exceptionally dedicated and devoted to their children. When it comes to their children, they are ready to sacrifice their lives at any time. Shin Kyung-sook’s award-winning novel, “Please Look after Mom,” insightfully explores the meaning of “mother” in Korean society.
The novel’s status as a New York Times Book Review bestseller shows that the story of a Korean mother appealed to the American mind as well. Indeed, it may be a good idea to promote the image of the “Korean mother” as an icon of Korean culture in the international community. Korean mothers are so unique and exceptional, after all. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Why is SNU the best university?
Because of the top notch writing from the English department faculty.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130917000515
Compared to Korean mothers, for example, American mothers seem to be reluctant to forgo their personal lives for their children.
I have an American friend who, like other American parents, sends her children to their bedroom at 8 o’clock in the evening. I asked, “Why do you send your children upstairs so early?” She answered without hesitation, “I need my own time too.” Of course, she had a point. Nevertheless, it occurred to me that if she were a Korean mother, she would not do that. In the eyes of a Korean mother, it would look too selfish.
“The Big Bang Theory,” too, well illustrates the difference between Korean and American mothers. Granted that it is a comedy designed to make us laugh, the sitcom still exhibits some characteristics, albeit exaggerated, of American mothers through Sheldon and Leonard’s mothers. Compared to Korean mothers, the two American mothers are often too generous, indifferent and even negligent under the slogan of “Let our children be independent.”
Throughout modern history, Korean mothers have been not only sacrificial but also exceptionally strong. They survived the harsh days of Japanese colonialism, the devastating Korean War, and the many subsequent political upheavals that tore through the country.
Indeed, it was Korean mothers who cleaned up the debris of the war and raised their children in destitute situations. Korean mothers rebuilt homes, educated their children and endured poverty and catastrophe. And that is not all. Each time the college entrance exam policy was altered, creating chaos and confusion, Korean mothers managed to navigate the new system and help their children enter college successfully. We say, “Behind every great man, there is a great woman.” In Korea, the great woman is primarily your mother, and then perhaps your wife.
Korean mothers are exceptionally dedicated and devoted to their children. When it comes to their children, they are ready to sacrifice their lives at any time. Shin Kyung-sook’s award-winning novel, “Please Look after Mom,” insightfully explores the meaning of “mother” in Korean society.
The novel’s status as a New York Times Book Review bestseller shows that the story of a Korean mother appealed to the American mind as well. Indeed, it may be a good idea to promote the image of the “Korean mother” as an icon of Korean culture in the international community. Korean mothers are so unique and exceptional, after all. |
Damn!
If that's not propaganda! |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:47 am Post subject: |
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I wonder if that book mentions that Korean parents have a far bigger personal interest in their kids' education because their country doesn't look after its elderly, and they're relying on their kids making enough money that they don't have to spend their old age roaming the streets collecting cardboard.
Korea sparkling. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Why is SNU the best university?
Because of the top notch writing from the English department faculty.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130917000515
Compared to Korean mothers, for example, American mothers seem to be reluctant to forgo their personal lives for their children.
I have an American friend who, like other American parents, sends her children to their bedroom at 8 o’clock in the evening. I asked, “Why do you send your children upstairs so early?” She answered without hesitation, “I need my own time too.” Of course, she had a point. Nevertheless, it occurred to me that if she were a Korean mother, she would not do that. In the eyes of a Korean mother, it would look too selfish.
“The Big Bang Theory,” too, well illustrates the difference between Korean and American mothers. Granted that it is a comedy designed to make us laugh, the sitcom still exhibits some characteristics, albeit exaggerated, of American mothers through Sheldon and Leonard’s mothers. Compared to Korean mothers, the two American mothers are often too generous, indifferent and even negligent under the slogan of “Let our children be independent.”
Throughout modern history, Korean mothers have been not only sacrificial but also exceptionally strong. They survived the harsh days of Japanese colonialism, the devastating Korean War, and the many subsequent political upheavals that tore through the country.
Indeed, it was Korean mothers who cleaned up the debris of the war and raised their children in destitute situations. Korean mothers rebuilt homes, educated their children and endured poverty and catastrophe. And that is not all. Each time the college entrance exam policy was altered, creating chaos and confusion, Korean mothers managed to navigate the new system and help their children enter college successfully. We say, “Behind every great man, there is a great woman.” In Korea, the great woman is primarily your mother, and then perhaps your wife.
Korean mothers are exceptionally dedicated and devoted to their children. When it comes to their children, they are ready to sacrifice their lives at any time. Shin Kyung-sook’s award-winning novel, “Please Look after Mom,” insightfully explores the meaning of “mother” in Korean society.
The novel’s status as a New York Times Book Review bestseller shows that the story of a Korean mother appealed to the American mind as well. Indeed, it may be a good idea to promote the image of the “Korean mother” as an icon of Korean culture in the international community. Korean mothers are so unique and exceptional, after all. |
Eeewww!! Marrying your mom is gross!! |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Indeed, it may be a good idea to promote the image of the “Korean mother” as an icon of Korean culture in the international community. |
Why? To what end?
Besides, they're too late. China already has the market cornered on oppressive parenting with their infamous Tiger Moms. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The article also forgot to mention that Korean moms drive their children to suicide in far greater numbers than other countries. Korean parents do what they do not because they think if their children are successful that this will bring their children happiness later in life. They do it for their own bragging rights. Korean moms are actually very selfish |
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