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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| So the only places on earth not accepting distance MAs are Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, and one university in South Korea? (I think it's more than that. I heard many places in the Middle East do not accept distance degrees. All those places are inside KSA?) |
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meangradin
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Let me state from the onset that I have no vested interest in this conversation; I'm a lowly BA holder working in a hagwon.
Someone said that the degree mills are usually from the states, but what about schools like Macquarie? It may be a great school, but I've met a few Koreans who received Masters there, and they could barely speak English. Incredibly, they all swore they wrote dissertations. Suffice to say, it seemed to me that they paid their bucks and got their degrees; And this was a BnM school.
Do on line schools hire people with on line degrees? Moreover, can one land a teaching job at a "western university" with an on line degree?
As others have pointed out, the trend in korea is towards improving qualifications and standards, not easing them. For this reason alone, one should be concerned at the very least.
On the other side, the reputable schools should be relentless in their pursuit of defending the integrity, both actual and perceived, of the on line programs. IMO, they offer the flexibility that many working people require. If there is a growing movement against on line/distance Ed courses, then where would it go after that? Would degrees obtainef in weekend classes be the next target? |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| meangradin wrote: |
On the other side, the reputable schools should be relentless in their pursuit of defending the integrity, both actual and perceived, of the on line programs. IMO, they offer the flexibility that many working people require. If there is a growing movement against on line/distance Ed courses, then where would it go after that? Would degrees obtainef in weekend classes be the next target? |
100% agreed. It is the very least they can do. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| WT hate to break it to you but Universities in Korea have prefred to hire locally for a while now (read: years). My former University hired only locally and that was in 2005. |
My point is there has been a LONG slow gradual decline (going back way before 2005). 1990 (to use one example) was better in Korea. Universities had less leverage then and took what they could get. MAs were both rare and were able to boost a uni's ranking, so they were flown over at the uni's expense. But unis usually couldn't find MAs (even from abroad), so they hired BAs. (This was pre 2005. But also 2005-2008 in many places.) |
The 1990s were not necessarily better WT.
In fact they were comparatively worse in many ways, namely pay, hours, work week, access to western goods, support for westerners who landed in trouble at work. In the 1990 and early 2000s there were also far FEWER university jobs available and they were far less heavily advertised.
All I am saying is that it is not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. |
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Allthechildrenareinsane
Joined: 23 Jun 2011
Location: Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| So the only places on earth not accepting distance MAs are Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, and one university in South Korea? (I think it's more than that. I heard many places in the Middle East do not accept distance degrees. All those places are inside KSA?) |
Well, obviously, you can check the Middle East forums here on Dave's if you're dubious, but in general, aside from KSA, most unis in the Gulf don't discriminate against applicants w/ distance MAs, so long as those degrees were earned from accredited institutions. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| I did check those forums, but didn't get a concrete answer. It seems with some of those countries, some unis don't accept distance MAs (even though there is no official nationwide government law completely banning their acceptance). It seems like having a distance degree is a disadvantage. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| meangradin wrote: |
| Someone said that the degree mills are usually from the states, but what about schools like Macquarie? It may be a great school, but I've met a few Koreans who received Masters there, and they could barely speak English. |
I worked with several Korean Professors that did their Master's degrees at Monash University in Australia. Something like 6 courses for a master's degree!
Yes, they are English professors. But a few of them cannot communicate well in English, never mind write a graduate level dissertation.
They were let into the program, as others at Australian universities, because they were cash cows.
Money talks, bitches. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| So the only places on earth not accepting distance MAs are Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, and one university in South Korea? |
More than that.
Qatar and the UAE.
Taiwan shows no signs of relenting on not recognizing distance master's degrees, according to a friend working there now.
Everyone and their dog in Korea has an online M.A. degree. They were savvy enough to do them when it was needed to access the better university TEFL positions. But schools are getting wiser and stricter and those with distance degrees will gradually be pushed out.
I have a dog in this fight. I did my degree on campus. Anything that will eliminate the competition is a good thing in my eyes. I hope the Korean Government runs all distance degree and B.A. holders out of their jobs.
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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World Traveler
So the only places on earth not accepting distance MAs are Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, and one university in South Korea? (I think it's more than that. I heard many places in the Middle East do not accept distance degrees. All those places are inside KSA?)
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For the record, I never said that places in the ME won't accept distance degrees. Most in fact WILL. However just because they'll consider it doesn't mean you'll be a successful applicant. Like I said before Zayed and U of Qatar had a "distance/online pile." If the place gets applicants with brick and mortar degrees they get first consideration. With the way EFL is going ( lower pay, short term contracts, less benefits ) as more get into the game do you really want to be hamstrung from the get go when a decent uni job has 100 applicants for 1 job?
Another thing that keeps coming up is the whole "most people these days have families and must keep working and can't put their life on hold or go into debt" so distance is becoming more the norm.
I say tough *beep*.
Many people have all of the above and do brick and mortar. I've seen it a lot and if they can do it anyone who has organized their lives enough can do it. If not then you have to live with the life choices you made. If you put a few buns in the oven too early or chained yourself to marriage/mortgage then people without those commitments are going to have an advantage in employment. They can dedicate more time to their studies and they are more flexible. That's the way the world works and trying to level the playing field through distance isn't gonna work. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Many people have all of the above and do brick and mortar. I've seen it a lot and if they can do it anyone who has organized their lives enough can do it. If not then you have to live with the life choices you made.
If you put a few buns in the oven too early or chained yourself to marriage/mortgage then people without those commitments are going to have an advantage in employment. They can dedicate more time to their studies and they are more flexible. That's the way the world works and trying to level the playing field through distance isn't gonna work. |
Interesting.
People here say that online or distance master's degrees are harder, but I disagree.
Not only is it harder to study on campus but it's more expensive! I had to drop out of TELF'ing in Asia all together to go study on campus. And it was NOT cheap.
Also, the online pundits seem to forgo that kind of sacrifice, which really does not endear them to me.
I've paid heavily for my on campus master's degree, so screw those who are whining now about their online degrees not being recognized. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
| misher wrote: |
Many people have all of the above and do brick and mortar. I've seen it a lot and if they can do it anyone who has organized their lives enough can do it. If not then you have to live with the life choices you made.
If you put a few buns in the oven too early or chained yourself to marriage/mortgage then people without those commitments are going to have an advantage in employment. They can dedicate more time to their studies and they are more flexible. That's the way the world works and trying to level the playing field through distance isn't gonna work. |
Interesting.
People here say that online or distance master's degrees are harder, but I disagree.
Not only is it harder to study on campus but it's more expensive! I had to drop out of TELF'ing in Asia all together to go study on campus. And it was NOT cheap.
Also, the online pundits seem to forgo that kind of sacrifice, which really does not endear them to me.
I've paid heavily for my on campus master's degree, so screw those who are whining now about their online degrees not being recognized. |
Who says people whod did their degrees distance or online did not work as hard or pay heavily? You (studied on campus, how would you know). I did mine onsite in Korea, it was neither online or distance. It was cheaper, but by no way was it easier or less rigourous than doing it on campus in the States.
I applaude those who professionally develop while working. It doesn't mean it is any easier or cheaper. Sure the oppurtunity costs of lost wages is significant, but I know a lot of people doing on site degrees that are working part time. I really haven't seen a job advert that says online/distance degrees will not be considered a candidate. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| I did mine onsite in Korea, it was neither online or distance. |
Yes, your degree is considered a distance education degree.
Any satellite campus, like Framingham University, is considered distance education. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| I did mine onsite in Korea, it was neither online or distance. |
Yes, your degree is considered a distance education degree.
Any satellite campus, like Framingham University, is considered distance education. |
I don't see how? We attended the same amount of class hours. Had just as much homework as a brick and mortar university.
There are plenty of sattelite campuses in the US? Are those distant too?
What about Koreans who atttend there first 2 years in a sattelite campus and then complet the next two years in the Seoul campus?
Not arguing, just discussing. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry for the typos. I'm currently doing three things at once. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| I'm With You wrote: |
| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| I did mine onsite in Korea, it was neither online or distance. |
Yes, your degree is considered a distance education degree.
Any satellite campus, like Framingham University, is considered distance education. |
I don't see how? We attended the same amount of class hours. Had just as much homework as a brick and mortar university.
There are plenty of sattelite campuses in the US? Are those distant too?
What about Koreans who atttend there first 2 years in a sattelite campus and then complet the next two years in the Seoul campus?
Not arguing, just discussing. |
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A satellite campus or branch campus is a campus of a college or university that is physically detached from the main university or college area, located in a different city, state, or country, and is often smaller than the main campus of an institution.............
Well, I read the entire entry and it says nothing about what they are made of. However, I do not think a university has to be made of brick and mortar to qualify as a real university. Many newer buildings do not use those anyway. I am in my office now. After I post this I will go outside and see what our buildings are made of. I have never really paid attention to that. We, however, are a real university, and it will be interesting to see what we are made of. Will update this later. |
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