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Janny
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Dedicate time for their children for what?
Not sayimg the western way is perfect. The hands off, everyone is a winner, you can be a flower if you want to be a flower is actually pretty bad for many reasons but I actually think the Korean way is worse and incredibly selfish because it's entirely about image.
It's not education for education's sake. Child' health and organic growth be damned. Just ace your damn KSAT, go to SNU and become a diplomat in MOFA. we don't care what you actually learn along the way. It's bragging rights and money/prestige so the parents can look better than other parents. Western parents can certainly be guilty of this too but Korea is just on a whole other level with this |
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Threequalseven
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Misher said:
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Dedicate time for their children for what?
Not sayimg the western way is perfect. The hands off, everyone is a winner, you can be a flower if you want to be a flower is actually pretty bad for many reasons but I actually think the Korean way is worse and incredibly selfish because it's entirely about image.
It's not education for education's sake. Child' health and organic growth be damned. Just ace your damn KSAT, go to SNU and become a diplomat in MOFA. we don't care what you actually learn along the way. It's bragging rights and money/prestige so the parents can look better than other parents. Western parents can certainly be guilty of this too but Korea is just on a whole other level with this |
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I'm not defending American parents by any means, but when it comes to Korea I almost have to ask "what parenting?" Most of my students go to school and academy from dawn until dusk, go home to eat supper, do their homework, and go to bed. And in the few moments of freedom they do get, they're glued to their smart phones they've had since age 6. From what I can tell, Korean parents are paying others to do the parenting for them. |
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crescent
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a reason why the US leads the world in mental illness (nearly tripling the average rate) with poor parenting/family dynamic being the primary cause. I would suggest reading Alfie Kohn for more insight, starting with the "Case Against Competition".... |
Maybe the US is better at diagnosing it, not that there is less in say South Korea. |
DING! Or over-diagnosing it. In the west, the slightest thing becomes a syndrome. Here, mental health professionals are hard to come by and rarely used. |
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Smithington
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| [back to the op] Gimmickry aside, anyone who's half awake will notice a huge difference in parenting (and the lack of), when looking at the two cultures. There is a reason why the US leads the world in mental illness (nearly tripling the average rate) with poor parenting/family dynamic being the primary cause. I would suggest reading Alfie Kohn for more insight, starting with the "Case Against Competition".... |
Maybe the US is better at diagnosing it, not that there is less in say South Korea.
The US probably has more prostate cancer diagnosed than say Somalia, because most Somali men don't live to an old age. |
Exactly. Any statistics from South Korea on this issue are highly questionable. A country that stigmatizes mental illness, and a culture that discourages one from seeking professional help, is not going to hold credible records on rates of mental illness. The high number of suicides in this country also speaks to this. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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[. But I would actually argue that South Korea has the highest rate of mental illness in the world, since it has the world's highest suicide rate, and by a wide margin.
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Neither claim is correct
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Greenland does and by a very large margin
Korea is a distant second place and practically tied with Lithuania.
And anyway as Wiki points out.
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The WHO statistics are based on the official reports from each respective country, and therefore, no more accurate than the record-keeping in the specific country.
Incidence of suicide tends to be under-reported due to both religious and social pressures, and possibly completely unreported in some areas. Since the data might be skewed, comparing suicide rates between nations is statistically unsound. |
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cabeza
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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And anyway as Wiki points out.
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The WHO statistics are based on the official reports from each respective country, and therefore, no more accurate than the record-keeping in the specific country.
Incidence of suicide tends to be under-reported due to both religious and social pressures, and possibly completely unreported in some areas. Since the data might be skewed, comparing suicide rates between nations is statistically unsound. |
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That is very true. Suicide has always been one of the most unreliable data sets when making national comparisons as outlined above.
However you can't ignore the fact that South Korea's suicide rate has increased pretty significantly in the last 10-15 years. The female rate in particular is really worrying. And sad.
From what Koreans have told me, there is a lack of mental health facilities. I don't know about the stigma here, but I imagine it's similar in at least a small part to Japan, where I do know there is a terrible stigma attached to mental illness. |
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meangradin
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| The novel’s status as a New York Times Book Review bestseller shows that the story of a Korean mother appealed to the American mind as well. |
Or, brace yourself, there are a boat load of Koreans living in America who bought the book. |
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Threequalseven
Joined: 08 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| [But I would actually argue that South Korea has the highest rate of mental illness in the world, since it has the world's highest suicide rate, and by a wide margin. |
Neither claim is correct
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Greenland does and by a very large margin
Korea is a distant second place and practically tied with Lithuania. |
Apples, meet oranges. I don't know why you'd use that argument to try proving a point. Greenland only has around 56,000 people, making it about 1/1,000th the size of Korea. Perhaps EZE should have known enough to cover his bases by adding "...the highest suicide rate, of countries that are large enough to reasonably be compared to other countries." But of course, that would be ridiculous. These online smarty pants arguments are so trivial. "Well actually, Greenland..." C'mon, seriously? |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Greenland's not even a country. It's part of Denmark. |
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Threequalseven
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Double post, oops
Last edited by Threequalseven on Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| The novel’s status as a New York Times Book Review bestseller shows that the story of a Korean mother appealed to the American mind as well. |
Or, brace yourself, there are a boat load of Koreans living in America who bought the book. |
Seriously? The Korean NYTimes book buying conspiracy? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| When Koreans are homesick, therefore, they intensely miss their mother. In Korea, a home without a mother is not a home. |
Wow. what an ass.
So much for respecting single dads. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Lot's of stereotyping going on in this thread. But it wouldn't be Dave's ESL Cafe otherwise, now would it? |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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There's just so much wrong with that article, I don't know where to start.
Let's just leave it with: this guy should quit his gig at SNU and start writing for Arirang.
Complete, and utter BS. |
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gforce645
Joined: 02 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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The first thing that mothers do when the baby is born is spend 2 weeks in a spa hotel, separated from their baby. Yes, ultimate sacrifice indeed.
Western mothers are savages for not using the same facilities. Most western mothers have outrageous demands such as seeing and holding their babies just after giving birth. |
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