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Do people in Shanghai also have no personal space?
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itiswhatitis



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:09 am    Post subject: Do people in Shanghai also have no personal space? Reply with quote

For the longest time I thought that Koreans have no personal space simply because they have no choice.

Eventually I realized that they are always shoving their noses into other people's business.

The Japanese are not the same way.

I wanted to ask if the mainland Chinese are also like this BUT China is such a huge country so it is hard to generalize.

How do people in Shanghai compare to Koreans with regards to respecting personal space?

Thanks in advance.
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Janny



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: all over the place

PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like night and day.

I've been here for about a month now, in the middle of Shanghai, in a fairly dense neighborhood. Small streets and sidewalks, lots of apartment buildings, lots of people and bicycles, and many small businesses along the avenue.

I have been bumped while walking NEVER. I have had ZERO people veer into my path while walking. Despite many bicycles, I've never seen one ridden on the sidewalks. Scooters? On the road, yes. On the sidewalk, no.

It's amazing how different it is. I feel exactly as comfortable as I do in Canada.

Same goes for noise. The only annoying noise that happens alot is the honking of horns from cars. That's it. No stupid music from shops, no yelling, no banging footsteps above me in my mid-grade apartment building. When I had jet lag my first few nights, I walked around at 4 am. It was quiet enough to hear a pin drop.

I have not seen one drunk staggering around and no piles of puke on the sidewalk. Instead, they have nightly dancing in the neighborhood park. Couples of all ages dance while children play with their grandparents. It's absolutely wonderful to see; I got tears in my eyes first time I saw it, I swear.

Someone said I'm in the honeymoon phase, and I'm sure that's true. I will tire of being a leiwei soon enough. But will I cry once a week and gain 30 lbs from bad comfort fast food delivery like I did in Seoul? I don't think so.

There are too many big differences here that mean alot to me. Thank God.
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my first day in Seoul many years ago, I went to a small grocery store. I was looking at some chips and this lady full on put her arm across my body and SHOVED me out of the way in order to get something on the other side of me (she could have just walked around me, or asked me to move). Needless to say, I was taken aback but considered it to be a rare incident and maybe I was being too sensitive. As I waited in line people shoved me, tried to cut in line and one actually removed my things from the belt to place her's down.

I went to Shanghai for about 10 days last year. Nothing like this happened. Not even close. A big portion of my trip was over a national holiday and the city was packed. We were in busy touristy areas, too.

Yes, it was a vacation and short, but see above for my first day in Seoul. Actually, that was within my first 4 hours and just at a store across from where I was staying.

Take what you will from this information.
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yodanole



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds to me more like you're channeling the last 10 minutes of "Return of the Jedi".

Janny wrote:
It's like night and day.

I've been here for about a month now, in the middle of Shanghai, in a fairly dense neighborhood. Small streets and sidewalks, lots of apartment buildings, lots of people and bicycles, and many small businesses along the avenue.

I have been bumped while walking NEVER. I have had ZERO people veer into my path while walking. Despite many bicycles, I've never seen one ridden on the sidewalks. Scooters? On the road, yes. On the sidewalk, no.

It's amazing how different it is. I feel exactly as comfortable as I do in Canada.

Same goes for noise. The only annoying noise that happens alot is the honking of horns from cars. That's it. No stupid music from shops, no yelling, no banging footsteps above me in my mid-grade apartment building. When I had jet lag my first few nights, I walked around at 4 am. It was quiet enough to hear a pin drop.

I have not seen one drunk staggering around and no piles of puke on the sidewalk. Instead, they have nightly dancing in the neighborhood park. Couples of all ages dance while children play with their grandparents. It's absolutely wonderful to see; I got tears in my eyes first time I saw it, I swear. Someone said I'm in the honeymoon phase, and I'm sure that's true. I will tire of being a leiwei soon enough. But will I cry once a week and gain 30 lbs from bad comfort fast food delivery like I did in Seoul? I don't think so.

There are too many big differences here that mean alot to me. Thank God.
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to say that it doesn't ever happen here, but it is way far from being a normal occurance. The only time I get bumped into is at school when the high schoolers are walking 4-5 wide down the hallway and can't work it out amongst the group to give some space (disclaimer...I work at a K school), but this doesn't happen often either.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Do people in Shanghai also have no personal space? Reply with quote

itiswhatitis wrote:
How do people in Shanghai compare to Koreans with regards to respecting personal space?


I don't know, it's really freakin' crowded there too. Was waiting for an elevator in Shanghai, standing like 10mm from the doors, and some Chineeser jammed his way between myself and the doors. There's no "personal space" on the roads either; people will jam their car, motorcycle, bicycle into any opening.

It's just a different kind of rudeness I guess.
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Do people in Shanghai also have no personal space? Reply with quote

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I don't know, it's really freakin' crowded there too. There's no "personal space" on the roads either; people will jam their car, motorcycle, bicycle into any opening.


At least there are bike/scooter/motorcycle lanes all over the city here that people use and stay off of sidewalks for the most part.

With that being said, my wife got her license recently. I've told her that if she wants to get a car and drive then that is all on her. I drove for years in Seoul and that was enough of that stress for me.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Authoritarian regimes have their perks.
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optik404



Joined: 24 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What my Chinese friends always tell me is that, if I find little things like bumping in to people, talking during movies, littering, spitting, etc annoying in Korea, that I will absolutely HATE China.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

optik404 wrote:
What my Chinese friends always tell me is that, if I find little things like bumping in to people, talking during movies, littering, spitting, etc annoying in Korea, that I will absolutely HATE China.


Yeah, I was in Shanghai and this wanker took a cell call and yapped away. Didn't think anyone actually did that?
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wishfullthinkng



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