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| Should the police write tickets for traffic violations? |
| Of course! Traffic laws exist for a good reason. |
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| Maybe sometimes, but many traffic laws are a nuisance. |
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| Absolutely not. Drivers should be allowed to drive as they see fit. |
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fustiancorduroy
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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 Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:21 am Post subject: Police Pulling Over and Ticketing Traffic Law Violators |
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Over the past few weeks, I've noticed a significant increase in the number of cars being pulled over by the police for traffic violations. On the street in front of my academy, the police have been out about twice a week ticketing people for driving in the bus lane. They've also been writing tickets for people driving the wrong way on the nearby one-way street. And today, an officer had pulled over a young man in a Hyundai for driving along the shoulder to cut ahead in traffic rather than following the painted off-ramp exit.
I'm ambivalent about this. On the one hand, I enjoy seeing people getting busted for selfishly breaking laws that are meant to improve safety and the overall traffic flow. On the other hand, it means that it will be more difficult for me to break these laws myself.
What do you think? Should the police write tickets for traffic violations or should they let the drivers fend for themselves? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Write the tickets. What is the worst that comes out of that; you getting stopped and being held accountable? |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Could be a spot where someone bought the farm. Give it a month and everything will be back to normal.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| I voted for some laws being a nuisance. For example, when a car pulls up to a red light and there is no traffic in any direction, the driver should be able to treat it like a 4-way stop sign and proceed through after coming to a complete stop and checking for traffic. Technically this is against regulations, but its something one should be able to do. If you don't have confidence in drivers being able to do this in a safe fashion, you shouldn't give them a license to drive in the first place. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| The traffic law I'm glad they don't enforce is that when parking on the street cars must park facing the direction of traffic flow. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| I voted for some laws being a nuisance. For example, when a car pulls up to a red light and there is no traffic in any direction, the driver should be able to treat it like a 4-way stop sign and proceed through after coming to a complete stop and checking for traffic. Technically this is against regulations, but its something one should be able to do. If you don't have confidence in drivers being able to do this in a safe fashion, you shouldn't give them a license to drive in the first place. |
There are a lot of intersections where visibility is such that even after stopping and looking you would be unable to see a car coming which would nail you as you crossed against the red.
BTW, do you think Korean drivers are going to stop and look? They don;t now, so if the law in this case was relaxed it would make things worse.
Your last statement is your typical balderdash. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| I voted for some laws being a nuisance. For example, when a car pulls up to a red light and there is no traffic in any direction, the driver should be able to treat it like a 4-way stop sign and proceed through after coming to a complete stop and checking for traffic. Technically this is against regulations, but its something one should be able to do. If you don't have confidence in drivers being able to do this in a safe fashion, you shouldn't give them a license to drive in the first place. |
There are a lot of intersections where visibility is such that even after stopping and looking you would be unable to see a car coming which would nail you as you crossed against the red.
BTW, do you think Korean drivers are going to stop and look? They don;t now, so if the law in this case was relaxed it would make things worse.
Your last statement is your typical balderdash. |
Exactly. I'd much rather the laws that are on the books be enforced here. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
There are a lot of intersections where visibility is such that even after stopping and looking you would be unable to see a car coming which would nail you as you crossed against the red.
BTW, do you think Korean drivers are going to stop and look? They don;t now, so if the law in this case was relaxed it would make things worse.
Your last statement is your typical balderdash. |
And there are lots of intersections where sight lines are fine. Those that are tricky can have signs prohibiting stop and go.
Yes, there are many bad Korean drivers out there, there are also many that drive perfectly reasonably and would be able to handle such a system. Also, the nature of the question seemed to be talking about traffic tickets in general, not just in Korea.
As far as my last statement being balderdash, I disagree. I think its perfectly reasonable to accept the idea that someone who has a license should be trusted to have the judgment necessary to be able to come to a complete stop at a red light, look all ways, and proceed if there is no oncoming traffic. That's not rocket science. The light doesn't know better than the driver whether or not its safe to go.
If the light is green and a truck is barreling through with no sign of stopping, do you still go ahead? No, you wait until the truck passes through and then make sure its safe before proceeding under the green light. Just because the light is green, doesn't mean its safe to go. Just because the light is red, doesn't mean its unsafe to go. It's not the light that makes the decision, its the driver. The light is there to assist and regulate the driver during normal driving conditions and traffic flows. An empty street at 3AM is not normal conditions. A guy speeding through a red light is not normal conditions. In both cases, the judgment of the driver should supplant that of the traffic light.
Now is what I wrote above unreasonable balderdash? |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| I voted for some laws being a nuisance. For example, when a car pulls up to a red light and there is no traffic in any direction, the driver should be able to treat it like a 4-way stop sign and proceed through after coming to a complete stop and checking for traffic. Technically this is against regulations, but its something one should be able to do. If you don't have confidence in drivers being able to do this in a safe fashion, you shouldn't give them a license to drive in the first place. |
Like the guy says above, many, many intersections have restricted visibility.
Also considering that many drivers already do this (running red lights) and Korea has the highest traffic death rate in the OECD the last thing that is needed here is less traffic regulation. I have no confidence in Korean drivers (and many drivers in my own country too) and I have no idea how many of them ever got a drivers license.
The more common sense approach would be to have a proper traffic system that most first countries do. Sensor pads under the roads so that lights change depending on traffics flows. Putting buttons on pedestrian crossings so that it only needs to go through that cycle if their is actually a pedestrian waiting etc. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| I voted for some laws being a nuisance. For example, when a car pulls up to a red light and there is no traffic in any direction, the driver should be able to treat it like a 4-way stop sign and proceed through after coming to a complete stop and checking for traffic. |
In the average town I'd completely agree, but it bears remembering that in any large city with a lot of traffic, if the city has been well designed the traffic light patterns will be intended to regulate overall traffic flow, a function which could be impeded if people regularly skipped through red lights every time they had the opportunity.
To be honest, I sometimes do exactly what Steelrails suggests here and just drive through a red light after stopping if there's no traffic, but my village isn't big enough to have traffic flow problems either. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Korea has the highest traffic death rate in the OECD . |
Link?
Because the only one I was able to find says different.
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/health_glance-2011-en/01/05/index.html?contentType=/ns/StatisticalPublication,/ns/Chapter&itemId=/content/chapter/health_glance-2011-8-en&containerItemId=/content/serial/19991312&mimeType=text/html
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| Worldwide, an estimated 1.2 million people are killed in transport accidents each year, most of which are road traffic accidents, and as many as 50 million people are injured or disabled (WHO, 2009a). In OECD countries alone transport accidents were responsible for more than 120 000 deaths in 2009, occurring most often in the United States (45 000), Mexico (17 000), Korea and Japan (7 000 each). In addition, there were 38 000 deaths in the Russian Federation. |
Korea is tied for 3rd with Japan and the U.S with six times the population has more than six times the deaths from transport accidents.
Yes this is from 2009...so if you have anything more recent I'd like to see it. |
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okok
Joined: 24 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| those cops must be working overtime pulling people over because i saw a police car this morning pulled over on the side of the road with two cops SLEEPING inside! |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| Korea has the highest traffic death rate in the OECD . |
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"South Korea had the dubious distinction of ranking first among OECD countries in traffic fatalities in 2010, with a death toll of 114 per million of population."
http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2978120 |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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These two sentences are just a wee bit different, don't you think laddie?
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Yet this article was clearly written after 2011 (as it included some stats from that year as well) yet did not say the highest deaths occurred in that year or any year prior to that. Therefore it seems to be that one particular year (which is a far cry from claiming that this is the current situation as well.) |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Unless they switched to smart traffic lights, I would rather be able to drive through a red light. It's so annoying when you are driving down the road and the light changes even if there aren't any cars waiting in the other direction. Going back to the states during Chuseok, I noticed how much faster getting through traffic lights was compared to Korea. |
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