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young_clinton
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Fox
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| It's not the party in itself that's a problem; the party in itself has no essence, as is evinced by how it's changed over the years. The problem is the people: the political figures themselves, the business and private interests who support them, and the people who vote for them. Those parties are not going to vanish simply because the party in question did. |
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Fox
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Well, if this is going to be a Republican-bashing thread, may as well put the most representative Republican quote of the moment in it:
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| “We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., [told the Washington Examiner]. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.” |
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Kuros
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| Let Republicans discredit themselves. Once Obamacare begins to have problems, there may actually be support for a simple single-payer system. |
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Ranman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:14 am Post subject: |
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The Republican Party got hijacked by neo-conservatives. That's their main problem.
Hard to sympathize with their wanting to cut spending, when they want to keep one our biggest wastes of money (our overly expansive military). They wouldn't dare touch it. |
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geldedgoat
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Fox
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The full text of Reid's exchange:
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“Listen, Sen. Durbin explained that very well, and he did it here, did it on the floor earlier, as did Sen. Schumer,” Mr. Reid replied. “What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare thing. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. So they have no right to pick and choose.”
As Mr. Reid was speaking, Ms. Bash asked him the question about why he wouldn’t take action if he could help “one child who has cancer.”
“Listen, listen — why would we want to do that?” Mr. Reid said, continuing his answer. “I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force Base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless…”
“I’m just asking a question,” Ms. Bash interjected. |
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stilicho25
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| Still isn't a very impressive outing by Harry. I agree with Kuros that a single payer system would be the best option, but as the government doesn't seem very good at reform, I just see Obama care as another scam. Insurance companies will make even more money, and a few more people will get coverage. You won't have total coverage, and it will be a mediocre and expensive system. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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The Tea Party has caused this last, desperate assault against Obamacare. They cajoled and threatened House lawmakers, and Boehner has little control over his caucus any longer to prevent this.
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| The real reason the House GOP hasn’t backed down and passed a government-funding bill isn’t because of 30-some intractable Tea Party members in their ranks or because Cruz refused to play along. It’s because their loudest, most engaged constituents demanded it, amplified by the savvy, coordinated tactics of the right-wing pressure groups that have proved adept at leveraging grassroots pressure into Washington results. As Representative Greg Walden recently told a group of Republican donors, according to the Daily Beast: “We have to do this because of the Tea Party .... The Tea Party gets involved at the local level." |
Its clueless to blame this standstill on Reid or Obama. The real question: is this the end of the Republican majority in the House? |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| The full text of Reid's exchange: |
And? What context was I obscuring? This thread was being used as platform to bash Republicans for defunding NIH and letting the little ones with cancer go without their treatments. Considering the Republicans tried to specifically fund that and other related programs and the Democrats led by Harry Reid (and endorsed by Obama) specifically denied such funding, don't you think this thread is now more than a little absurd?
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| What this is all about is Obamacare. |
Well, duh. Obamacare is a disaster of legislation. As a direct result of the new regulations, my wife, who is now six months pregnant, has to find a new doctor. SIX F***ING MONTHS! If I had known the fallout was going to be this bad, I would have just sent her back to Korea to have the kid. Even with a round-trip ticket, it would have been cheaper, and she likely would have received better care.
I'm under no illusions here; I know that for the majority of Republicans this is just another game of politics to stop the evil "Socialism" boogeyman. It just so happens that for the current time, the broken clock is accurate. The only possible good that could come from Obamacare's full implementation is, as Kuros said, pushing the public harder towards single-payer. Ignoring the obvious moral pitfalls of inflicting suffering now for the hopes of a better tomorrow, just look at how self-destructively stupid the American public is and weigh your optimism against that. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Under Obama care I have insurance that I can afford. Without Obama care I have no possibility of insurance. Keep in mind that doctors won't treat patients unless there well paid from somewhere. Personally I would like to not have Obama care and have what the U.K. has. That would even be better. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| The full text of Reid's exchange: |
And? What context was I obscuring? |
That's an interesting response. Why do you feel like I am accusing you of obscuring context? Why do you feel like I am attacking you at all? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Personally I would like to not have Obama care and have what the U.K. has. That would even be better. |
The U.K. has nationalized health providers, which is a further step beyond single-payer. Although England enjoys its NHS, its unclear whether the U.S. gov't could afford to nationalize all hospitals, much less whether there are any reasons which should compel it to do so.
Single-payer just means the U.S. would pay for basic, privately provided healthcare. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Why do you feel like I am accusing you of obscuring context? Why do you feel like I am attacking you at all? |
If you weren't, then I apologize. I just assumed you were continuing in the tone of all previous posts here.
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| Its clueless to blame this standstill on Reid or Obama. |
Really now? Which side has repeatedly refused to negotiate? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
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| Its clueless to blame this standstill on Reid or Obama. |
Really now? Which side has repeatedly refused to negotiate? |
Who cares?
The Republicans shut down the government in a futile protest over Obamacare. Its disingenuous to ask the President or the Senate Majority Leader to negotiate away signature legislation passed years ago which the Supreme Court has largely upheld. |
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