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Blatantly racist rural hagwon students
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see a lot of people criticising the OP and proclaiming what perfect teachers they are.


In reality what he's going through is entirely normal given the circumstances.


You can't throw a totally inexperienced 20-something into a class where the odds are heavily stacked against him...and expect him to perform like a world class expert.

The problem is with the system. Korea needs to start hiring people based on experience and qualifications. They also need to fix their whole approach to esl.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
I see a lot of people criticising the OP and proclaiming what perfect teachers they are.


In reality what he's going through is entirely normal given the circumstances.


You can't throw a totally inexperienced 20-something into a class where the odds are heavily stacked against him...and expect him to perform like a world class expert.

The problem is with the system. Korea needs to start hiring people based on experience and qualifications. They also need to fix their whole approach to esl.


They get what they pay for.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
The problem is with the system. Korea needs to start hiring people based on experience and qualifications. They also need to fix their whole approach to esl.


This goes without saying; but it doesn't help those now encountering difficulties. So I don't get why you would snidely drop in the "perfect teacher" criticism.
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rollo



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Been in these situations in hagwons. It is tough. But it not racism. first learn some Korean. Build relationships witath Korean teachers. Try a system of rewards. educational games. DO NOT LOSE YOUR TEMPER!!!

It gets better. The kids are not the enemy they do not hate you. Just really burned out children reacting to the relentless pressure of the Korean system of education.

Building relationships with the Korean teachers is so important. the children notice these things. . ASK THEM FOR HELP!!!

Dress well!! Look professional. This is very important. Youl be treated with more respect!!
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one claimed they were a perfect teacher. Most people pointed to the likely source of the issue: problems with class management skills and setting clear boundaries for the students.

This is something all teachers face initially and some have more trouble than others getting this under control.

Also, while the system in Korea needs improvements, that does nothing to help the OP at all or anyone in his situation....


Bascially OP: read up on classroom management and lesson planning. Set some clear ground rules in your class and stick to them. This may be tough at first but will pay off soon.
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Blatantly racist rural hagwon students Reply with quote

Threequalseven wrote:
First, let me be clear. You public schoolers who are ready bust out the "you suck at teaching" diatribe can save it. You all get a Korean co-teacher to translate, your students actually have to try to some degree because their grade depends on it, and you get them early in the day when they're not totally wound up and burnt out.


This is as far as I got.

I also teach THIRTY-FIVE of them at a time at every imaginable level of English ability, none of my co-teachers come to class anymore and trust me, they're just as wound up and burnt out in the mornings as they are at night.

I taught in a hagwon for two years before going to public school, I WISH my classes are as small and easy to teach as my hagwon classes were. If it weren't for the crappy hours and lower pay, I'd be back in a hagwon in a moment.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Blatantly racist rural hagwon students Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:

I also teach THIRTY-FIVE of them at a time at every imaginable level of English ability, none of my co-teachers come to class anymore


Do you carry a loudspeaker and a bullwhip?

How do you do it?

Controlling 15 of them is do-able if you're as fit as an olympic athlete and fluent in Korean, but 35? 40? No chance.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Blatantly racist rural hagwon students Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
Underwaterbob wrote:

I also teach THIRTY-FIVE of them at a time at every imaginable level of English ability, none of my co-teachers come to class anymore


Do you carry a loudspeaker and a bullwhip?

How do you do it?

Controlling 15 of them is do-able if you're as fit as an olympic athlete and fluent in Korean, but 35? 40? No chance.


I actually find larger classes easier to teach and plan for. A lot more pair and group activities. "Bigger" activities and such.

Classes under 10, I do alright at, but they don't have the same energy and focus as the classes I teach with 30+ students. Something about controlling and focusing 20-40 kids comes a lot easier to me than doing that with 5-10.

Adult students are the opposite. I enjoy smaller classes with them and find teaching large groups of adult students English an exercise in tedium. Other subjects are okay though, such as history.
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has happened to most of (if not all of us here.) I don't think it's so much racism as a lack of accountability from the kids. These kids know that for the most part we can't really punish them and that most of us can't speak Korean so there is no chance of us calling their parents to get them in trouble.

I worked at a hagwon and my first day of class I had a very large 5th grade boy stand up on his desk and tell me, "You can't tell us to speak English, we're in Korea! You should have to speak Korean!" The other kids thought it was the funniest thing in the world which in turn would encourage him to see how far he could push it. Eventually (with the backing of my head teacher) I took the Army boot camp routine, every time this kid caused trouble, 3 other students would get a demerit. Within 3 days the entire class had turned on him.

The kid still caused trouble even after I had the Korean teachers speak with his parents but one day he threatened violence against me and had to be restrained and with that he was thrown out of the academy. I was told later he was the first student they had ever done that too.

Basically what I'm getting at is that it's not racism, it's just exploiting the lack of power we have as foreign teachers.
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TheUrbanMyth



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Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Threequalseven wrote:
I'd be intersted to see if you'd say the same things if you didn't have these tools to rely on: (1) keeping kids late, (2)having a CT to translate complicated lists and rules, (3)having students whose grades are on the line, etc.



(I took the liberty of introducing numbers for clarity's sake.)

Public high school teacher here.

1. Can't keep the kids late as they have classes after mine as well. I can however take away the break time in between classes...but that's only 10 minutes anyway.

2. Most of my CTs never show up. The odd time that they do they sit at the back of the room playing with their smartphone and ignoring the kids.

3. Most of my students don't care about their grades. Even during exams about a third of them don't bother working on it and just put their head down and go to sleep. But since the Korean teachers don't seem to care I let it go as well.

However in classrooms that I have the sole responsibility for, I establish and maintain firm classroom control. If you have to be a drill sergeant then so be it...you can always loosen up later.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This discussion is pointless. The OP effectively ruled out any fault of his own as a potential explanation for the situation, and is thus incapable of dealing with the problem. Until he solves the fact that he is constitutionally incapable of accepting blame and responsibility, nothing will change.
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