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Smithington
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cabeza
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Yes. They have been saying that since 2010. It runs at a pretty massive loss. The drivers don't like it. There is no atmosphere. It's in the middle of nowhere. Honestly, 4 hours from Seoul. What were they thinking?
Mark Webber came out last week and basically said it was shite and should be cut from the calendar.
I went yesterday and I enjoyed it, as it was the first time I'd ever been to an F1 event before. But the crowd atmosphere was non-existent. Most stands were only about 50-60% full and there were a few completely empty. Getting to the track from Mokpo was easy enough. Getting back was another story. Poorly planned in that respect. |
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Ranman
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| Don't think it matters anyway. It's become nothing but an assured Vettel victory. |
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andrewchon
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Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| There's no atmosphere because there's no Korean involvement. No Korean driver, or Korean car in the race. There's nothing to cheer about. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Chinese GP
Singapore GP
Malaysian GP
USA GP
Canadian GP
Hungarian GP
Dubai GP
Bahrain GP
Probably more that I'm forgetting right now.
All countries that have neither a driver or team currently.
If they had put it near Seoul it would have done a lot better. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
| There's no atmosphere because there's no Korean involvement. No Korean driver, or Korean car in the race. There's nothing to cheer about. |
Its just not something koreans can identify with.
There are no boy racers in Korea, the roads are too crowded for that. Driving is a tiresome chore, not something they take a pride in.
Most vehicles creep around Seoul at snail pace. I don't even know why koreans drive so slowly everywhere, they'd be quicker walking. |
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andrewchon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that it would be a bigger spectacle if was staged near Seoul. However, govt policy is to de-centralize away from Seoul and that is that. As for speeding, there are plenty who do out in the sticks. Problem of Korea and Korean GP is the concept of Heroism in Korea. Sporting heroes are few and far between. If there are winners they tend to be staid gentlemanly pursuits:
Korean successes lately:
Kim Yuna Figure Skating
Park JiSung Soccer
Lady Golfers
Target shooting and archery in Olympics;
Not many are athletic, few are contact sports and non are death-defying, devil-may-care pursuits.
Confucious does teach that dying before your parents' is bad. So, there's one reason. The other is Korea teaches their children to out-smart and out-last rather than go faster and over-power. Not exactly Heroic according to European tradition, is it? |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
Chinese GP
Singapore GP
Malaysian GP
USA GP
Canadian GP
Hungarian GP
Dubai GP
Bahrain GP
Probably more that I'm forgetting right now.
All countries that have neither a driver or team currently.
If they had put it near Seoul it would have done a lot better. |
China and Turkish GP.
You are assuming that they are atmosphere filled and financially viable spectacles, which they are not. As for Mark Webber, sad to say as a fellow anti-podean, he has a reputation for putting his foot in the mouth. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
Chinese GP
Singapore GP
Malaysian GP
USA GP
Canadian GP
Hungarian GP
Dubai GP
Bahrain GP
Probably more that I'm forgetting right now.
All countries that have neither a driver or team currently.
If they had put it near Seoul it would have done a lot better. |
China and Turkish GP.
You are assuming that they are atmosphere filled and financially viable spectacles, which they are not. As for Mark Webber, sad to say as a fellow anti-podean, he has a reputation for putting his foot in the mouth. |
Like I said I've never been to any others, but from what some Finns who were sitting next to us said, the Singapore one was amazing (could be the large concentration of expats there) and the Chinese one was like a rock concert. My brother has been to the Dubai one and he said it has an electric atmosphere, again there are a lot of expats from all over the place there too.
Car culture doesn't really exist here. Well not in the way that would feed into F1 attendance. I've done a "dream car" speaking exercise with classes before and the majority just was a Hyundai or Kia. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
| andrewchon wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
Chinese GP
Singapore GP
Malaysian GP
USA GP
Canadian GP
Hungarian GP
Dubai GP
Bahrain GP
Probably more that I'm forgetting right now.
All countries that have neither a driver or team currently.
If they had put it near Seoul it would have done a lot better. |
China and Turkish GP.
You are assuming that they are atmosphere filled and financially viable spectacles, which they are not. As for Mark Webber, sad to say as a fellow anti-podean, he has a reputation for putting his foot in the mouth. |
Like I said I've never been to any others, but from what some Finns who were sitting next to us said, the Singapore one was amazing (could be the large concentration of expats there) and the Chinese one was like a rock concert. My brother has been to the Dubai one and he said it has an electric atmosphere, again there are a lot of expats from all over the place there too.
Car culture doesn't really exist here. Well not in the way that would feed into F1 attendance. I've done a "dream car" speaking exercise with classes before and the majority just was a Hyundai or Kia. |
If the track was made in a less remote areas. It didn't have to be in Seoul, but Daejeon, or even Gwangju, would have made more sense. And the lack of expats is a major factor too.
Need another generation, or two, of Koreans to start earning money to really attract them. Look at baseball, or soccer. Supposedly 'popular' in Korea, but for most games they barely top 10,000 people in the stands. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| cabeza wrote: |
Chinese GP
Singapore GP
Malaysian GP
USA GP
Canadian GP
Hungarian GP
Dubai GP
Bahrain GP
Probably more that I'm forgetting right now.
All countries that have neither a driver or team currently.
If they had put it near Seoul it would have done a lot better. |
Yup and lots of those races have empty stands and low media exposure.
Then again F1 does not care about that...they care about how much $$$ the host country is willing to fork over into Bernies pockets for the privilege of hosting a race. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| cabeza wrote: |
Chinese GP
Singapore GP
Malaysian GP
USA GP
Canadian GP
Hungarian GP
Dubai GP
Bahrain GP
Probably more that I'm forgetting right now.
All countries that have neither a driver or team currently.
If they had put it near Seoul it would have done a lot better. |
Yup and lots of those races have empty stands and low media exposure.
Then again F1 does not care about that...they care about how much $$$ the host country is willing to fork over into Bernies pockets for the privilege of hosting a race. |
Can't really fault F1 for asking Korea to fork out the big bucks for an event that was clearly doomed to fail and was too costly from the offset. Sadly, long-term planning is not in a Korean developers vocabulary. The development came out of some developers wishful thinking of "If you build it; they will come."
The run-up to its maiden launch was an embarrassment and they had to give away free tickets just to make the stands look full. Also, for the last 2 years offering huge discounts on tickets purchased months before the race.
F1 racing should be a spectacle and I saw one F1 forum poster put it: "Korea's track has all the charm of an airport runway." |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Not faulting F1 at all. Their business model is fantastic. Bernie gets tons of money thrown at him from countries who want the international exposure of having a F1 race. Empty stands do not matter one bit because the race is mostly a TV event.
As for the "if you build it they will come" Korea does this and sure did it for this F1 race event. Then again so did Malaysia and many other countries that wanted to attrach Bernie and his gang of millionaire pilots. |
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Threequalseven
Joined: 08 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Its just not something koreans can identify with. There are no boy racers in Korea... |
Toss G-Dragon behind the wheel of a Ferrari in a Lotteria ad and the KTX will be packed next year for sure. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| There's a new cart track in Inje, Gangwondo. A bit far away from rich kids but maybe that will start making some drivers. |
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