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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jaderedux wrote: |
[. But there is no reason why in God's green earth a person can't smile, nod or something.
Jade |
Okay valid point. But according to that logic, there is also no reason a person SHOULD smile, nod or something (unless of course you know the person). Why do we have to acknowledge other foreigners here and not Koreans? Simply because we have white skin and speak English is simply not good enough. Do you smile or nod or something at EVERYONE? If not why not. If at foreigners why not at Koreans? If at Koreans why not foreigners? If indeed you do smile or nod at everyone, then good on you. You're sticking to your principles and practise what you preach. |
I can understand not running crazily around Jongno, shaking hands with every bloody waygook there; but ignoring a person you share a similar situational bond with if you're both passing in an uncrowded area: that's just bad manners.
Sparkles*_* |
What situational bond is that, that you both have white skin? The person that you see could be a GI, or a foreign tourist (French or German) in which case they MIGHT not even speak English. And as for the Koreans well you share a similar situational bond with them too. You are living in Korea. Unless you know the person, there is really no reason for stopping and talking to them, unless of course you want to. But for some reason many way-gooks here don't seem to appreciate being stopped. The last thing I want to do after a hard day's work is stop and talk to some stranger who I'll likely never see again. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Okay valid point. But according to that logic, there is also no reason a person SHOULD smile, nod or something (unless of course you know the person). Why do we have to acknowledge other foreigners here and not Koreans? Simply because we have white skin and speak English is simply not good enough.
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| Do you smile or nod or something at EVERYONE? If not why not. If at foreigners why not at Koreans? |
If at Koreans why not foreigners? If indeed you do smile or nod at everyone, then good on you. You're sticking to your principles and practise what you preach. |
Jade heaves very heavy sigh!!!!!
I will try to explain my very complicated point of view.......If a foreigner or Korean...or guy from Mars makes eye contract and acknowledges my existence. I don't think it is any big deal to give some one a reciprocal smile or nod in fact in my bizarro world it is actually considered polite.
Jade the serial smiler |
Ahh, NOW I see where you are coming from! reciprocal that's the key word here. I thought you were the initiator of said smile or nod. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jaderedux wrote: |
[. But there is no reason why in God's green earth a person can't smile, nod or something.
Jade |
Okay valid point. But according to that logic, there is also no reason a person SHOULD smile, nod or something (unless of course you know the person). Why do we have to acknowledge other foreigners here and not Koreans? Simply because we have white skin and speak English is simply not good enough. Do you smile or nod or something at EVERYONE? If not why not. If at foreigners why not at Koreans? If at Koreans why not foreigners? If indeed you do smile or nod at everyone, then good on you. You're sticking to your principles and practise what you preach. |
I can understand not running crazily around Jongno, shaking hands with every bloody waygook there; but ignoring a person you share a similar situational bond with if you're both passing in an uncrowded area: that's just bad manners.
Sparkles*_* |
What situational bond is that, that you both have white skin? |
No, that we are both foreigners in a country that is infamously homogenous and xenophobic.
You made the ASSumption; I've said 'hi' to plenty of brothers, too.
Sparkles*_* |
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danyuk
Joined: 17 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:09 am Post subject: Re: Why |
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So tell me WHY?
(1) Do you think you are superior than the other white person and so therefore do not wish to be seen next to (or close to) the "other white" person...
(2) You feel you have been here longer than any other white person so therefore - the other person could be a newbie - of which you want nothing to do with......
(3) You love all the "Attention" and "Looks" you get from other koreans on the subway - so therefore you feel you should be the only "White person" in a subway car - so that you get ALL the attention without having to share it with another white person......
(4) You are insecure - and don't want other white people to see you.....
(5) You are afraid their behavior or actions might be generalised by the other Korean people in the carriage - as being "Typical of all westerners" and you feel your dress code, conduct etc is much superior to others....
(6) You are afraid of being next to (or close to) another white person as other Korean people of the carriage may think you are together or friends, etc
(7) etc etc etc
(Anyone want to add anymore reaons why to advoid other white people............?
*However also think about it the other way - the "white person" you are avoiding may have actually been here longer than you, may be earning THREE times the salary as you per month, and may have many things that might actually be seeking...... Would a simple "Hi" hurt? |
What is this?
You wouldnt talk to me on the subway at home, so dont here. Different in bars and stuff as u r actually there to socialise. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jaderedux wrote: |
[. But there is no reason why in God's green earth a person can't smile, nod or something.
Jade |
Okay valid point. But according to that logic, there is also no reason a person SHOULD smile, nod or something (unless of course you know the person). Why do we have to acknowledge other foreigners here and not Koreans? Simply because we have white skin and speak English is simply not good enough. Do you smile or nod or something at EVERYONE? If not why not. If at foreigners why not at Koreans? If at Koreans why not foreigners? If indeed you do smile or nod at everyone, then good on you. You're sticking to your principles and practise what you preach. |
I can understand not running crazily around Jongno, shaking hands with every bloody waygook there; but ignoring a person you share a similar situational bond with if you're both passing in an uncrowded area: that's just bad manners.
Sparkles*_* |
What situational bond is that, that you both have white skin? |
No, that we are both foreigners in a country that is infamously homogenous and xenophobic.
You made the ASSumption; I've said 'hi' to plenty of brothers, too.
Sparkles*_* |
There's a difference between an ASSumption and asking a question. Simply because you are both foreigners seems to me a bad reason to strike up a conversation, never mind a relationship of any kind, but I guess to each his own. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| jaderedux wrote: |
[. But there is no reason why in God's green earth a person can't smile, nod or something.
Jade |
Okay valid point. But according to that logic, there is also no reason a person SHOULD smile, nod or something (unless of course you know the person). Why do we have to acknowledge other foreigners here and not Koreans? Simply because we have white skin and speak English is simply not good enough. Do you smile or nod or something at EVERYONE? If not why not. If at foreigners why not at Koreans? If at Koreans why not foreigners? If indeed you do smile or nod at everyone, then good on you. You're sticking to your principles and practise what you preach. |
I can understand not running crazily around Jongno, shaking hands with every bloody waygook there; but ignoring a person you share a similar situational bond with if you're both passing in an uncrowded area: that's just bad manners.
Sparkles*_* |
What situational bond is that, that you both have white skin? |
No, that we are both foreigners in a country that is infamously homogenous and xenophobic.
You made the ASSumption; I've said 'hi' to plenty of brothers, too.
Sparkles*_* |
There's a difference between an ASSumption and asking a question. Simply because you are both foreigners seems to me a bad reason to strike up a conversation, never mind a relationship of any kind, but I guess to each his own. |
The assumption is in your question, though; and that is that the foreigners I pass and say 'hi' to all have white skin. Usually they do. But not always.
Sparkles*_* |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Now you're assuming that I was making an assumption. As Freud said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" And sometimes a question is just a question. 
Anyway back on topic. My experiences have been (with a few notable exceptions) that people you say "hi" to on the street either ignore you, or attach themselves to you like a leech. Far better simply to make friends with the locals, who at least tend to be a little more "normal".
Then again maybe that's just me. 
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Actually the assumption is in your assumption that I was making an assumption in my question. I was merely asking if you stopped and talked to foreigners that had a white skin. Not assuming anything there, just asking for clarification. |
And based on your Korea-slagging posts, combined with your admission that you don't feel it's appropriate to acknowledge fellow foreigners in the country in which (I assume) you are living, can I infer that you hate just about everyone?
Sparkles*_* |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Actually the assumption is in your assumption that I was making an assumption in my question. I was merely asking if you stopped and talked to foreigners that had a white skin. Not assuming anything there, just asking for clarification. |
And based on your Korea-slagging posts, combined with your admission that you don't feel it's appropriate to acknowledge fellow foreigners in the country in which (I assume) you are living, can I infer that you hate just about everyone?
Sparkles*_* |
Which Korea-slagging posts would those be? Mr. Homer and I are currently vieing for the title of "biggest cheerleader for Korea". I've been called an "apologist" many times, but this is the first time I've ever been put in the "whiner" camp. I think you have me confused with another poster.
BTW can we refrain from personal attacks? TY |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Actually the assumption is in your assumption that I was making an assumption in my question. I was merely asking if you stopped and talked to foreigners that had a white skin. Not assuming anything there, just asking for clarification. |
And based on your Korea-slagging posts, combined with your admission that you don't feel it's appropriate to acknowledge fellow foreigners in the country in which (I assume) you are living, can I infer that you hate just about everyone?
Sparkles*_* |
Which Korea-slagging posts would those be? Mr. Homer and I are currently vieing for the title of "biggest cheerleader for Korea". I've been called an "apologist" many times, but this is the first time I've ever been put in the "whiner" camp. I think you have me confused with another poster.
BTW can we refrain from personal attacks? TY |
Oops, my mistake. I must have had you confused with another poster.
You really should get a sexy-girl avatar to help me remember you (hi, Harin).
Sparkles*_* |
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