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sigmundsmith
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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The answer is simple... Korea/ns are an economical strong with great technology, products and services that they offer locally and internationally but as a culture/society they are beggars, an uncivilized community that does not match their economic status.
Go to to Thailand, Philippines or Indonesia where economic discrepancies is vast between the haves and have nots, it is then understandable that certain behavior, mannerism, politeness, or common decency may lapse between people.
But go to civilized societies like Singapore or Japan, there seems to be respect between people. The gap between economic status is not so great compared to China, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. so the civility between people (strangers) is higher.
So, the confusing thing about Korea is their economic demographics matches Japan and Singapore but they act like a third world country.
That means, their mentality is third world. It is a mentality of the strong wins out and damn everyone that I don't know or care about.
This for them justifies their actions such as spitting in public (I don't care about you, I spit in the elevator, stairs, train, wherever I want), because I don't care about you, I am selfish and you don't understand Korea! |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Because they learn it from their parents. Was out and about yesterday, and saw a father, late thirties I'm guessing spit on the ground and his cute little 3-4 year old daughter walking behind him did the same thing in imitation. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Why do they spit so damned much? |
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A few years ago, in my adult class, one of my lessons focused on annoying habits. I mentioned "spitting in public" and the men in my class were taken aback. It was hard for them to imagine anyone getting offended at spit. "What are we supposed to do with it?" they asked with a puzzled look on their innocent looking faces.
One went on to ask, "Why do westerners say excuse me when they burp?"
"Any body function is normal and a part of life and living." he added. (passing gas, spitting, coughing, burping, sneezing, belching, vomiting ,etc.)
I think its a cultural nuance. I've learned to look the other way.
FYI: Spitting in some cultures is used as a protection against evil.
In others, it is an act of admiration towards an individual. But there it is neither/nor. |
i'd ask have asked him if I could come over and watch him and his wife have sex. That's a natural body function.
Then there's the whole animal behavior versus human behavior angle. But that's a can of worms I'd rather not open. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Really Steelrails, your fight is with IPayInCash and Metalhead, they are the ones that made it personal at you.
I will now bow out of this uncivil discourse. Have at it. |
True dat.
I should have just moved on. Should have just focused on atwood and his anti-smoking commienazism.
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Come on, guys. Let's not let things get personal. You might not agree with SR's arguments, but away from here he's probably a stand up guy.
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You know, sometimes I really do get tired of the whole schtick and wish I could just tell sick jokes and advocate for boozing it up. But some stuff people write here is really off...the way a KNetizen says some retarded stuff about foreigners that has obvious counterpoints.
At some point fighting in the trenches you have to come to agreed upon ceasefires and trade smokes and booze between the lines and curse the generals that are putting you in that position. |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| agreed. this place needs more jokers and less jokasses. Peace. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Really Steelrails, your fight is with IPayInCash and Metalhead, they are the ones that made it personal at you.
I will now bow out of this uncivil discourse. Have at it. |
True dat.
I should have just moved on. Should have just focused on atwood and his anti-smoking commienazism.
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Come on, guys. Let's not let things get personal. You might not agree with SR's arguments, but away from here he's probably a stand up guy.
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You know, sometimes I really do get tired of the whole schtick and wish I could just tell sick jokes and advocate for boozing it up. But some stuff people write here is really off...the way a KNetizen says some retarded stuff about foreigners that has obvious counterpoints.
At some point fighting in the trenches you have to come to agreed upon ceasefires and trade smokes and booze between the lines and curse the generals that are putting you in that position. |
Some people may in your opinion be way off but that is no reason for you to be just as way off in the opposite direction.
You may think you're fighting fire with fire put you're really just pouring gasoline on it. You could instead put forward reasonable arguments and people may be persuaded to think differently.
Or you can continue to make outlandish claims on almost every thread you post on and have other posters poke holes in them. And of course blaming others, as you do here, isn't very productive either.
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| Thank you for Not Smoking. Cigarette smoke is the residue of your pleasure. It contaminates the air, pollutes my hair and clothes, not to mention my lungs. This takes place without my consent. I have a pleasure, also. I like a beer now and then. The residue of my pleasure is urine. Would you be annoyed if I stood on a chair and pissed on your head and your clothes without your consent? ~Sign from Ken's Magic Shop |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| sigmundsmith wrote: |
The answer is simple... Korea/ns are an economical strong with great technology, products and services that they offer locally and internationally but as a culture/society they are beggars, an uncivilized community that does not match their economic status.
Go to to Thailand, Philippines or Indonesia where economic discrepancies is vast between the haves and have nots, it is then understandable that certain behavior, mannerism, politeness, or common decency may lapse between people.
But go to civilized societies like Singapore or Japan, there seems to be respect between people. The gap between economic status is not so great compared to China, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. so the civility between people (strangers) is higher.
So, the confusing thing about Korea is their economic demographics matches Japan and Singapore but they act like a third world country.
That means, their mentality is third world. It is a mentality of the strong wins out and damn everyone that I don't know or care about.
This for them justifies their actions such as spitting in public (I don't care about you, I spit in the elevator, stairs, train, wherever I want), because I don't care about you, I am selfish and you don't understand Korea! |
Selfish people are everywhere. I wouldn't categorize an entire group of people on the actions of a few. I mean, do they still cane people in Singapore? Caning seems like a third world reaction. But I don't judge Singaporeans (?) as third world. |
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lemak
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I will now bow out of this uncivil discourse. |
What? Uncivil? When compared to police being needed to keep tens of thousands of people *civil* whilst watching two teams chase a ball around a field in the West? Now tell me which example is uncivil - this discussion, or soccer hooliganism? They're valid comparisons. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| lemak wrote: |
| Old fat expat wrote: |
| I will now bow out of this uncivil discourse. |
What? Uncivil? When compared to police being needed to keep tens of thousands of people *civil* whilst watching two teams chase a ball around a field in the West? Now tell me which example is uncivil - this discussion, or soccer hooliganism? They're valid comparisons. |
The problem here is that the nasty aspects of Korean culture are mass phenomenon. Millions of Koreans spit on the streets daily. In fact, I would hazard a guess and say that 95% of Korean men spit on the street on a daily basis. They also engage in a wide range of other uncouth behavior that nobody here needs to bother listing. Now, what percentage of Britons engage in / approve of / condone soccer hooliganism? It's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of 1%. You can live in the UK your entire life and never be bothered by a football hooligan. They're not exactly a phenomenon that one encounters on a daily basis. They are a fringe element that is being dealt with by the police. Are they scum? Sure they are, but they are a tiny, despised minority that the vast majority view with total contempt.
In Korea on the other hand, the nasty aspects of the culture are omnipresent. They are part and parcel of the culture itself. You simply can't escape the spitting and the foul sounds that accompany them. You do have to deal with it (and the multitude of other peasant habits) on a daily basis. Worse yet, we encounter it many, many times during the day - every day. Indeed, many times in a single half hour span. That's what is so annoying about Korea. You can't even escape it by going home and closing the door, because ajoshie outside your window is coughing up a lugie and noisily depositing in on the street. (Lovely sound effects when you're trying to have a meal.)
People who try to defend the vulgar aspects of Korean culture just make themselves look stupid.
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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I think I have to agree with Steelrail's basic argument (minus the insane straw man digressions). Spitting everywhere is absolutely disgusting, but so is drinking yourself stupid and beating the living daylights out of someone, or stuffing yourself into obesity with cheap junk food.
The underlying tone of the comments is that 'our culture is superior to Korean culture. You don't need to be an 'apologist' to see how full of shite that is. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| sigmundsmith wrote: |
The answer is simple... Korea/ns are an economical strong with great technology, products and services that they offer locally and internationally but as a culture/society they are beggars, an uncivilized community that does not match their economic status.
Go to to Thailand, Philippines or Indonesia where economic discrepancies is vast between the haves and have nots, it is then understandable that certain behavior, mannerism, politeness, or common decency may lapse between people.
But go to civilized societies like Singapore or Japan, there seems to be respect between people. The gap between economic status is not so great compared to China, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. so the civility between people (strangers) is higher.
So, the confusing thing about Korea is their economic demographics matches Japan and Singapore but they act like a third world country.
That means, their mentality is third world. It is a mentality of the strong wins out and damn everyone that I don't know or care about.
This for them justifies their actions such as spitting in public (I don't care about you, I spit in the elevator, stairs, train, wherever I want), because I don't care about you, I am selfish and you don't understand Korea! |
Selfish people are everywhere. I wouldn't categorize an entire group of people on the actions of a few. I mean, do they still cane people in Singapore? Caning seems like a third world reaction. But I don't judge Singaporeans (?) as third world. |
The "actions of a few"? Really? Is that your final answer, or would you like some time to reconsider? If it is indeed your final answer I'd be curious to near your definition of "a few". Because I don't think you have the same understanding of it as the rest of the English-speaking world. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Now, what percentage of Britons engage in / approve of / condone soccer hooliganism? It's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of 1%. You can live in the UK your entire life and never be bothered by a football hooligan. They're not exactly a phenomenon that one encounters on a daily basis. They are a fringe element that is being dealt with by the police. Are they scum? Sure they are, but they are a tiny, despised minority that the vast majority view with total contempt. |
Well combine them with youth gangs in general, and they become a much more serious problem and a greater amount of the population. Also the severity of their actions stands out. Now combine that with football fans who engage in racist or sectarian chants, and the massive police presence necessary at derby matches, and yes, it is a reflection of culture, especially considering that Korea has nothing like it.
Al-Qaeda terrorists are a tiny fraction of the population, but if your country has been turned into a warzone because of them, then its civilization ranking will go down, despite the best manners of the people.
The underlying point is that whenever people compare their country to Korea to put Korea down and someone else compares their country to Korea in a negative light, two things alwys seem to happen- They get upset that you are comparing the two countries (an act which they started), and they also say "but in our case its different", which to me sounds an awful lot like "Korea is special, please try to understand".
It's hard to deal with someone who says "Here are 10 reasons why this country is worse than mine and they are all valid" but when you give them a list of 10 reasons their country is worse than that one, they declare all of them invalid and not comparable.
Is it really about criteria? Or is it about putting one country down in order to make themselves feel better? |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think you have a very good understanding of England, football culture and hooliganism. In a crowd of 60,000, there would probably be about 100 that you could class as hooligans and sometimes less.
I'm not saying there aren't problems, but you seem to think you have some idea about football and hooliganism because you have watched a few Premier league games.
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lemak
Joined: 02 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| lemak wrote: |
| Old fat expat wrote: |
| I will now bow out of this uncivil discourse. |
What? Uncivil? When compared to police being needed to keep tens of thousands of people *civil* whilst watching two teams chase a ball around a field in the West? Now tell me which example is uncivil - this discussion, or soccer hooliganism? They're valid comparisons. |
The problem here is that the nasty aspects of Korean culture are mass phenomenon. Millions of Koreans spit on the streets daily. In fact, I would hazard a guess and say that 95% of Korean men spit on the street on a daily basis. They also engage in a wide range of other uncouth behavior that nobody here needs to bother listing. Now, what percentage of Britons engage in / approve of / condone soccer hooliganism? It's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of 1%. You can live in the UK your entire life and never be bothered by a football hooligan. They're not exactly a phenomenon that one encounters on a daily basis. They are a fringe element that is being dealt with by the police. Are they scum? Sure they are, but they are a tiny, despised minority that the vast majority view with total contempt.
In Korea on the other hand, the nasty aspects of the culture are omnipresent. They are part and parcel of the culture itself. You simply can't escape the spitting and the foul sounds that accompany them. You do have to deal with it (and the multitude of other peasant habits) on a daily basis. Worse yet, we encounter it many, many times during the day - every day. Indeed, many times in a single half hour span. That's what is so annoying about Korea. You can't even escape it by going home and closing the door, because ajoshie outside your window is coughing up a lugie and noisily depositing in on the street. (Lovely sound effects when you're trying to have a meal.)
People who try to defend the vulgar aspects of Korean culture just make themselves look stupid. |
LOL - actually I was taking the proverbial piss. I agree with everything you've written. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think you have a very good understanding of England, football culture and hooliganism. In a crowd of 60,000, there would probably be about 100 that you could class as hooligans and sometimes less.
I'm not saying there aren't problems, but you seem to think you have some idea about football and hooliganism because you have watched a few Premier league games. |
I'm not saying its a mass phenomenon, neither are liquor store hold ups ( a place might go years between stickups). But the fact that they do draw significant resources and attention speaks to their severity and reach.
I mean the idea that you need a line of police seperating fans at a sporting event or need to surround yourself with bulletproof glass is ridiculous. That's not civilized. I can go to sporting events in Korea or walk into convenience stores without having to deal with that. |
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