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IlIlNine
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It's interesting that when discussing wages, the general concensus is that working for a Korean company involves an extreme amount of hard work and, yes, long hours.
When discussing working for a Korean company outside of that context, the discussion becomes how easy Koreans have it at their companies what with all their coffee breaks, long lunches, and smoke breaks.
The truth depends on your job position and where you work and the time of year. At best, I can put in my time (8-5) and go on about my day - but when there's something that needs to be done I put in overtime (paid). I presume this is like any job back home.
As for efficiency, I can only speak anecdotally - while there are some organizational inefficiencies that I have to deal with there is an active effort to transform company process and methodologies to global standards - with some mixed results, to be sure. Things do seem to be getting better though - mostly due to the fact that old execs are being replaced with younger execs eager to 'make a difference'. |
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Steelrails
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If what you all say is true, the Korean economy should be on par with the Philippines. All their major companies would not be international players, and they wouldn't be able to afford to pay us.
Frankly the people saying this come across as a bunch of people in Detroit in the 1960s dismissing the Japanese as a bunch of sandal-wearing goldfish tending, war-losing, buck toothed losers, who lack good ol American know how, work ethic, and innovation. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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Even if what you say is true, Westerners aren't the ones constantly saying we're the busiest people in the world, oh poor us, everyone else is so lazy, look we work a mathematically impossible amount of hours per week!
The article, like many before it, is about Koreans working so much harder and longer than Americans. As foreigners here in Korea, we've all heard this before. Thus, it's fair game to point out the fallacy in this description we've all experienced first hand. I don't have time for it now, but there's an often posted and quoted report here that lists Korea's efficiency as one of the worst in the world. We're not just imagining it or making up to hurt this utopia you call Korea. Korea does well, and if they didn't work hard sometimes you're right, they'd be a 3rd world country. But if they truly worked as hard as they say they'd have a 24th economy right now. The truth is somewhere in the middle, so when they go on and on about how busy and hard working they are they leave themselves open to criticism. |
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Steelrails
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| Even if what you say is true, Westerners aren't the ones constantly saying we're the busiest people in the world |
Americans certainly like to throw around their work ethic. I'd imagine Germans, Japanese, and probably every other people under the sun make claims to working hard.
I mean who out there says they DON'T work hard? Who out there doesn't complain about how much they have to work?
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| I don't have time for it now, but there's an often posted and quoted report here that lists Korea's efficiency as one of the worst in the world. |
Well, either they REALLY ARE working harder than everyone else and inefficient, OR they are spending a bunch of time drinking soju, surfing the web, and taking coffee breaks and are so efficient as to able to produce world class results on 20 hours of actual work a month.
One or the other is true, not both.
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| The truth is somewhere in the middle |
Third option is good too. Koreans are probably within a couple of percentage points of everyone else in the developed world. It's not some caricature of soju lunches and idiot Koreans who have no clue what they are doing, nor is it some sort of 18 hour a day gulag slug like some Koreans make it out to be.
People attempting to correct that Korean view overcompensated in the other direction. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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Americans certainly like to throw around their work ethic. I'd imagine Germans, Japanese, and probably every other people under the sun make claims to working hard.
I mean who out there says they DON'T work hard? Who out there doesn't complain about how much they have to work?
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No, that's just not true. Within the first month I was in Korea I was bombarded with lectures about how hard Koreans work. To this day after I'm done all my work and head home and my CT lifts her head from her daily 2 hour nap to say she needs to stay late (with the implication that I'm lazy for leaving), it's still in my face. I never get that back home. The very fact that is article exists, that this topic comes up so often here and in other expat circles, tells us it's unique to Korea. Stop trying to make everything the same. Korea is unique in some ways, and that makes it good sometimes and bad sometimes. For someone who thinks Korea is exactly the same as every other country, you seem to hate every other country and love Korea especially hard.
In fact, there are sites dedicated to showing off how little you work which are American based. North Americans may compare themselves to Europeans in the realm of vacation time, that I'll give you. And there is a discussion about not being paid enough. But when I worked in Canada and we had a guy from Vietnam come join us, we didn't all huddle around him screaming at him about how hard Canadians worked, and that Vietnamese people are lazy. In fact, that guy worked way harder than us and it became a joke about how lazy us first worlders are.
As for the Japanese and Germans, I think they're known more for their efficiency than their hard work per se. Everyone knows Germans have more vacations than Americans and can drink them under the table. I've lived with Germans and they certainly didn't go on and on about how hard working they are, and they even mocked the efficiency thing.
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Well, either they REALLY ARE working harder than everyone else and inefficient, OR they are spending a bunch of time drinking soju, surfing the web, and taking coffee breaks and are so efficient as to able to produce world class results on 20 hours of actual work a month.
One or the other is true, not both. |
Well, no, it can be both. They could be working hard, being inefficient and then going out for soju afterwards. What's stopping all of that from being true?
I don't think this is the case, though. They certainly work longer hours, but are extremely, to a comedic level, inefficient. But I don't think they work harder. Just longer. Well, let me rephrase that. They are at their place of work for more hours each day. They certainly don't 'work' longer. Or harder.
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Third option is good too. Koreans are probably within a couple of percentage points of everyone else in the developed world. It's not some caricature of soju lunches and idiot Koreans who have no clue what they are doing, nor is it some sort of 18 hour a day gulag slug like some Koreans make it out to be.
People attempting to correct that Korean view overcompensated in the other direction. |
First of all, your third option was exactly what I said about it being in the middle.
Second, why is everything about race and hating Korea to you? Some people have noticed the inefficiency of Koreans, so that means we all see them as noodle smacking sandal wearing idiots? Or you know, we could be noticing the exact thing that has been documented time and again by various agencies; that is, Korean work culture is very inefficient. But as we know, to paraphrase Stephen Colbert, reality has an anti-Korean bias.
Even now, I've allowed you once again to make it look like I'm arguing that I hate Korea and it's awful when I was the voice of reason and said the truth was somewhere in the middle. You are very good at twisting words and throwing out the "R" word to create this you vs the HATERS world. It's also very good at shutting down conversation: Is Korean work culture efficient? Well, SR says if you question it you're a hypocritical racist redneck, and if you say the truth is in the middle he'll say you're calling the Japanese sandal wearing morons. No, it's a 'third' truth that is exactly what 'in the middle' meant. But someone else said it, so it's racist. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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I don't think this is the case, though. They certainly work longer hours, but are extremely, to a comedic level, inefficient. . |
Just how many Korean companies have you actually worked at? If none where are you getting your information from and your impressions? It seems to be a few lazy co-workers and a bunch of unmotivated kids.
Look at Samsung for example
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=28748
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On the September 30th, 2013, Interbrand, the world’s largest brand consultancy announced this year’s list of “100 Best Global Brands.” Improving its rank by 1 over last year, Samsung has been ranked the 8th Best Global Brand.
Samsung’s brand value is worth a total of 39.6 billion, according to Interbrand, which was a 20.4% improvement from last year. The average increase in brand value of the top 100 global brands was 8% and 15% among IT corporations.
Samsung’s exceptional management and continued introduction of innovative products, such as smartphones, TVs and more, and its global brand marketing strategy played a significant role in this result.
Samsung Electronics has become the #1 mobile phone corporation with its GALAXY S4 and GALAXY Note 3. It has also created a new market of wearable devices with GALAXY Gear, an innovative wearable device.
Samsung has also been named as the #1 TV brand for 7 consecutive years with the introduction of the world’s first Curved UHD TV, and continues to lead the market by producing premium digital home appliances. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| I've lived with Germans and they certainly didn't go on and on about how hard working they are, and they even mocked the efficiency thing. |
They sure seem to be going on and on about it towards the Greeks.
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| Well, no, it can be both. They could be working hard, being inefficient and then going out for soju afterwards. What's stopping all of that from being true? |
But they can't be working hard and also sleeping at their desk, surfing the web, grabbing coffee and so on AND having companies like Samsung, Hyundai, LG, Hanjin, Hankook Tire, etc. competing in global markets, and so on.
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| but are extremely, to a comedic level, inefficient. |
If this were true, their companies would be unable to compete at a global level and the economy would be a shambles.
Like I said, a couple of percentage points in terms of inefficiency, not night and day differences. If they were, their industry and commerce couldn't function.
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| Korean work culture is very inefficient. But as we know, to paraphrase Stephen Colbert, reality has an anti-Korean bias. |
Except that isn't based in reality. It is based on caricature and poor analysis of the data. For example, looking at the number of hours worked, it was pointed out the rates of small business ownership. How many fruit vendors running their own store or section of an outdoor market are there in the United States or Australia? When one owns their own small business, requiring only 1-2 people to staff it, hours tend to increase.
Anyways, the idea that Koreans are sitting around at the office being highly inefficient, yet able to produce and thrive in the highly competetive global economy strikes me as not being based on reality.
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They certainly don't 'work' longer. Or harder.
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Well if they aren't working long, or uh, hard (boy this is begging for some jokes), then they must be efficient to produce those results. Basically they've found a way to have their companies be competetive while having a work culture that allows for constant slacking and achieving all of this with only putting in a fraction of the time towards actual work. OR they are working harder and longer.
The article had the mathematical flaw of 2000 hours, well the Korean coffee breaking, online shopping, desk sleeping, phone calling, web surfing, yet still producing, going out for soju, shopping, noraebanging, bbq eating, sleeping, commuting caricature is no less possible.
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| First of all, your third option was exactly what I said about it being in the middle. |
I know, I agreed with it.
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| Some people have noticed the inefficiency of Koreans, so that means we all see them as noodle smacking sandal wearing idiots |
Well, shiny suit wearing, soju swilling idiots yes. I mean people do have a tendency to say those things about Koreans and call them stupid.
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| Is Korean work culture efficient? Well, SR says if you question it you're a hypocritical racist redneck |
No, but if you question it by caricaturing Korean workers as web-surfing, coffee sippin, soju boozin, desk sleepin, klowns who can't run a business to save their life and are comically inept and inefficient, then yeah, maybe.
Because if that were all true, this country should be a 3rd world abomination a step away from Somalia. It isn't. So why do people draw these conclusions, given the obvious inaccuracies?
I think for many of them, it comes from some rather sad places in the human psyche. They believe in their innate superiorty over the Koreans that are around them, but their place in society is one that doesn't match that superiority. This conflict in their minds can manifest it in ridiculous conclusions and fits of frustration. Constructing fantasies about Korean workers being inept bumblers who spend their time drinking coffee and doing nothing allows them to rationlize everything and maintain their sense of superiorty while avoiding having to ever question whether that superiority is valid.
Of course a good percentage of people are academics/normal people who notice inefficiencies here and have good ideas about how to change things. They don't perceive people here as particularly inept or incompetent, they just feel that there are some tweaks which could improve efficiency by a couple of percentage points, which is likely good enough to take it from 24th to 12th, given that in developed countries, the margins in rankings tend to be rather small. They don't turn the whole thing into a farce and draw conclusions that are contradictory and fly in the face of common sense and reality. |
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mayorhaggar
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Even if what you say is true, Westerners aren't the ones constantly saying we're the busiest people in the world |
Americans certainly like to throw around their work ethic. I'd imagine Germans, Japanese, and probably every other people under the sun make claims to working hard.
I mean who out there says they DON'T work hard? Who out there doesn't complain about how much they have to work? |
I've never once in my life heard "Show them how hard Canadians work!" lol
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I don't think this is the case, though. They certainly work longer hours, but are extremely, to a comedic level, inefficient. . |
Just how many Korean companies have you actually worked at? If none where are you getting your information from and your impressions? It seems to be a few lazy co-workers and a bunch of unmotivated kids.
Look at Samsung for example
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=28748
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On the September 30th, 2013, Interbrand, the world’s largest brand consultancy announced this year’s list of “100 Best Global Brands.” Improving its rank by 1 over last year, Samsung has been ranked the 8th Best Global Brand.
Samsung’s brand value is worth a total of 39.6 billion, according to Interbrand, which was a 20.4% improvement from last year. The average increase in brand value of the top 100 global brands was 8% and 15% among IT corporations.
Samsung’s exceptional management and continued introduction of innovative products, such as smartphones, TVs and more, and its global brand marketing strategy played a significant role in this result.
Samsung Electronics has become the #1 mobile phone corporation with its GALAXY S4 and GALAXY Note 3. It has also created a new market of wearable devices with GALAXY Gear, an innovative wearable device.
Samsung has also been named as the #1 TV brand for 7 consecutive years with the introduction of the world’s first Curved UHD TV, and continues to lead the market by producing premium digital home appliances. |
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TUM, you can't seriously be quoting their own blog for an accurate assessment of their worker's performance, are you?
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But they can't be working hard and also sleeping at their desk, surfing the web, grabbing coffee and so on AND having companies like Samsung, Hyundai, LG, Hanjin, Hankook Tire, etc. competing in global markets, and so on. |
Yes, they can.
Shooooottt, I've worked in over a dozen Korean companies in my time here, and can tell ya - they can be both.
-Workers try as best they can to stretch out the day. They know they can't leave until the boss leaves, so they often relax during the day, and then try to pump out the work in the evening.
-Managers and team leaders are notorious for dropping work on them at the last minute. They'll sit on a project for most of the day, only to drop it on the workers at home time. Then, those workers will have to pull an all nighter to get it done.
-Coming in hung over and dragging your arse is considered part of doing business.
Each office and company are different, and each team leader brings their own flavor to it. But yeah, this is something I've commonly witnessed in my time in Korean companies.
Sorry, but I'm firmly out of the 'apologist camp' on this issue. Guess I'll have to turn over my badge. lol |
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Steelrails
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| I've never once in my life heard "Show them how hard Canadians work!" lol |
Do individual Canadians talk about how hard they personally work?
I know Americans regularly talk about "The value of hard work". "Work hard, play hard" and so on.
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Yes, they can.
Shooooottt, I've worked in over a dozen Korean companies in my time here, and can tell ya - they can be both.
-Workers try as best they can to stretch out the day. They know they can't leave until the boss leaves, so they often relax during the day, and then try to pump out the work in the evening.
-Managers and team leaders are notorious for dropping work on them at the last minute. They'll sit on a project for most of the day, only to drop it on the workers at home time. Then, those workers will have to pull an all nighter to get it done.
-Coming in hung over and ragging your arse is considered part of doing business.
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But they can't be doing that AND going out for BBQ and noraebanging and everything else.
My friends who work for Korean companies have a wide variety of experiences. From those who are usually out the door at 5, to those who do go through the whole wringer.
Like BlackCat said, the answer is in the middle. Korean workers aren't "Super hard workers", and the inefficiencies present can't be ignored, but neither are they comically inept workers who somehow have enough time to do 36 hours of nonsense in a 24 hour day.
The fact is that at the end of the day, you have to do the project, design the product, build it, etc. Then it all has to compete in the global marketplace and the company has to be profitable and answerable to shareholders.
Sorry, you don't get that by having a completely dysfunctional work ethic and office culture. And if they do manage to do it while online shopping and chugging soju, then whatever. Good for them I guess. |
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Captain Corea
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Sorry, did anybody here claim that Korean workers were "completely dysfunctional", or was that you adding it in?
I certainly didn't say it. However, I do see tons of dysfunction in the offices I've worked in here.
You say it must be one or the other... why not both? Why can't they work super late one day because of a last minute project being dropped on them, then go out for drinks, get sloshed, and come in hung over to work the next morning (and sleep at their desk)? Not only CAN it happen, but it has. I've seen it.
As for Canadians talking about hard work - yes... but that was on an individual level. I thought the discussion was about hard work + nationalism. Perhaps I misread. |
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Mr. BlackCat
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Let's try this simpler.
Many Koreans' POV is: Work 16 hours in Korea=Work 16 hours in USA. Koreans work 16 hours a day while Americans work 8. Thus, Koreans get 2x as much done in one day.
Reality: Work 16 hours in Korea=Work 8 hours in USA. Thus the same amount of work gets done, just in different amounts of time.
This illustrates the inefficiencies in the Korean model while not claiming that Korea can't get the work done or is falling behind. Thus what SR is saying is false. He says that if Koreans do nothing they'd be very far behind. No one is saying that. I'm saying that if the world really worked like Koreans think it does (16hrs of Korean work = 16 hours of everyone else's work), then they'd be so far advanced that they'd be the superpower. That is not the case because they get just as much done as everyone else, IT JUST TAKES LONGER. And it's not because they're stupid, it's just a cultural thing. And then they reinforce it in themselves by constantly going on and on about how hard working they are.
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| I know Americans regularly talk about "The value of hard work". "Work hard, play hard" and so on |
Yup, and those are absolute statements about life, not relative statements about other countries. Completely different thing.
"It's a hot day today"
"It's hotter every day of the year in Canada than it is in Thailand"
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| Just how many Korean companies have you actually worked at? |
Enough, and I've also lived hear over 8 years and interacted with enough Koreans to get the point. But you know, I've never been to the North Pole yet I'd take a wager that it's pretty cold. There are facts, already presented, that back up these claims. You and SR can deny them all you want, but they are facts. I'm sorry it puts Korea in a slightly less wonderful Utopian light, but it's just facts.
Bill Maher has a great act about how the US is doomed because there are people who just won't accept the basic stuff like global warming and the end times not coming tomorrow. I feel like that when I visit this site. Some people just live in a different reality because this objective reality with facts and statistics just doesn't fit in with their worldview. My only regret is I let you guys frame it so I'm coming out like I hate Korea or something when that's not even close to the truth. Again, it's like what Maher says about religion: I don't hate it, I don't even think about it that much. But when people shove it in my face and do such stupid things because of it, I'm forced to mock it (paraphrasing). |
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Mr. BlackCat
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Sorry, but I'm firmly out of the 'apologist camp' on this issue. Guess I'll have to turn over my badge. lol |
I've never thought of you as an apologist. To me, an apologist isn't someone who likes Korea. It's someone who refuses to accept any criticism of the place and takes it as a personal attack. The thing is, I like it here but I also like to joke about it (as I do about anywhere and anything). But the apologists will always try to turn every conversation into a Korea/personal attack and try to make you look like you hate the place. Look at what happened here. I suggested the truth laid somewhere between two claims and SR implies that it's a hypocritical way to look at things, then suggest my exact words as an alternative! They will twist and twist your words until you're arguing about fruit stands in California (SR was trying for that in his last post). It's not about having a discussion, or even argument with these guys. It's about shutting down conversations at any cost, which usually involves the old tropes of throwing around the "R" word or changing the subject. |
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Steelrails
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| Sorry, did anybody here claim that Korean workers were "completely dysfunctional", or was that you adding it in? |
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I think the article is 100% correct.
Now here's the breakdown of those "2000 hours of work" for the average Korean;
Sleeping at the desk - 300 hours
Surfing the internet - 500 hours
Getting shit faced at dinner, noraebangs and business clubs - 200 hours
Chatting on Kakao Talk - 500 hours
In the bathroom doing make-up, brushing teeth, etc, (includes the men) - 200 hours
Farting - 20 hours
Talking about doing work - 260 hours
Actual work time - 20 hours |
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| I'd give Koreans an average of a C for workrate, a C- for natural ability and a D+ on the efficiency front. |
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As I said, some people over-corrected for the article's "hard working claim" and started to make Koreans out to be paragons of inefficiency and laziness.
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You say it must be one or the other... why not both? Why can't they work super late one day because of a last minute project being dropped on them, then go out for drinks, get sloshed, and come in hung over to work the next morning (and sleep at their desk)? Not only CAN it happen, but it has. I've seen it.
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That does happen, but with some people they do work well and get things done. If the businesses were constantly operating under that kind of strain, sooner or later the wheels would come off. Yes, all-nighters happen. They happen all over the world in every industry.
Efficiency is good, but what good is it if you are losing absolute market share? The Wehrmacht and the Confederacy were more efficient than the Red Army and the Union Army respectively, Packard or Dodge might have been more efficient than Toyota at one point, Magnavox more efficient than LG.
Anyways, the point is that 1) Koreans are not everyday living the stereotype of working till midnight (while still managing to somehow get bombed on soju AND produce world-class products) 2)That much of the "inefficiency" is in regards to the nature of employment in Korea- The number of people who work long hours as small business owners, service industry workers, and the higher number of single income households means that you can't just look at the straight numbers.
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| Yup, and those are absolute statements about life, not relative statements about other countries. Completely different thing. |
Listen to Presidential candidates prattle on about the "Hard Work of the American worker" and "working is an American value".
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How is it shoved in your face? This was an article posted on Dave's and written by some nobody that probably 90% of people don't care about. Originally everyone was just laughing at the whole 2000 hours thing.
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| There are facts, already presented, that back up these claims. You and SR can deny them all you want, but they are facts. I'm sorry it puts Korea in a slightly less wonderful Utopian light, but it's just facts. |
No, you have data. But in order to make a factual statement, you have to correctly interpret the data and state the facts appropriately.
The data is on Korea's relative efficiency. The data is not on things like soju dinners and online shopping. In fact the data doesn't even support people staying later than about 7 oclock (or 8-6), despite people attempting to portray Koreans as working till 9 oclock because their boss is so incompetent. They're working about 50 hours per week. That's 10 hours per day. That's 8-6. Not 8-11.
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| I suggested the truth laid somewhere between two claims and SR implies that it's a hypocritical way to look at things, |
No, I agreed with you. Go back. I did take issue with some of your points, but your end conclusion I was in agreement with.
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| It's someone who refuses to accept any criticism of the place and takes it as a personal attack. |
Odd. Any time I criticize parts of your posts, you take it as a personal attack and start going on this "apologists out to get us" tangent.
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| which usually involves the old tropes of throwing around the "R" word |
So do you think there is no racism or bigotry that takes place on these threads? That's like me saying there is no racism or bigotry in the Korean media or netizens. You get upset at it when the KMedia does it. You can sniff it out, even if it isn't explicitly stated. And yeah, same thing happens with Dave posters.
I mean look, it isn't stated, but some clearly have a real hard time accepting Koreans as being able to do anything better than them, by simple virtue of them being Western-raised and Koreans being Koreans. Sports? Koreans must be cheating. Business? Cheating. Technology? All stolen. Somehow these Davizens are each and all smarter than the combined weight of the 50 million people here. Sorry, I don't see anything THAT spectacular from those of us in Davesland out there. |
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Captain Corea
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Davizens is a new one for me. 
Got a question for ya, SR - how many of the major Korean companies have you worked for/in?
Because I've worked in nearly all of them at one time or another (and for some, a number of their subsidiaries). And honestly, man - what you say can't happen as a stereotype, does happen.
Now, I'm NOT saying it's EVERY company, or EVERY team, but it's something I've seen way more than I ever did back home. Heck, my last company I worked for here had an extra office on every floor... for sleeping! This was one of the top firms in Korea, and those guys worked insane hours... and drank a fair bit too!
BUT... they were also very smart people. So while I might not have enjoyed their progress or efficiency, they did get their jobs done.
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