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[Kepler]

[Kepler]

Interesting video of someone who says he experienced no negative consequences when he switched from a low carb diet to a high carb (mostly white rice) diet.
http://quantifiedself.com/2013/09/greg-pomerantz-trying-high-carbohydrate-diet/

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[neilio]

Mixx - Yes Kimchi fine. On side note, eat a few bites first thing on empty stomach for max digestive benefits. Be prepared for a rough 10-30 day period of fat adaption! Don't give up!

Urban Myth - relatively it may be a fad diet, but like i said, human species has eaten this way for millions of years. Can't argue with improved markers of health and disease.

Kep - carb cycling. A high to low carb cycle is natural due to the seasonal availability of carb rich foods. White rice seems to be pretty benign. Especially the white rice, reduced to the point of pretty much no nutrients, good or anti.

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[Captain Corea]

I really don't get the insistence on certain diets.

Saying "Hey, this worked for me. Consider giving it a try", makes sense. But pushing a certain diet down people's throats saying "This is the way you should eat!" strikes me as obnoxious.

I usually eat a 50(carb), 30(protein), 20(fat) split. Trying to get it from whole foods whenever possible. Seems to work for me. But I'm experienced enough to know that what works for me, may not for the next person.

[Beeyee]

If you suffer from any sort of inflammation at all, the Paleo diet comes highly, highly recommended.

I was diagnosed last year with severe atrophic gastritis (chronic inflammation of the stomach, precursor to stomach cancer) and ulcerative colitis (inflammation and ulcer formation in the intestines). All and I mean all of the doctors put me on a high carb, low protein/fat diet. My symptoms got worse and worse.

Then, one day I came upon Robb Wolf's Paleo Solution book and decided to give it a go. In it he explains how high carb diets are the leading cause of inflammation and that contrary to popular belief, by cutting grains and carbs, inflammation could be significantly reduced.

Well, last month I had another scope and the doctors are amazed at the progress I have made. Not only has my stomach not got any worse, it is actually starting to heal, something the doctor who performed the initial diagnosis told me was impossible.

So yeah, it's anecdotal and not exactly hard evidence, but I know first hand just what an incredible change this diet has made to my health.

[happiness]

Theres a place near me that as a steak special, not a whole steak, but cut up pieces grilled right there (the size of a smaller steak) for 8000won.. So, I went, and for about 3 months, Ive gone twice or even three times a week for lunch. Exercise 40m-1hr nearly everyday too. Ive lost quite a bit of weight, not sure how much, but I can fit very well into previously tight jeans.

So I think theres something to this steak thing.

[neilio]

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Yes but MODERN humans (the subset we belong to) have only been around for 200,000 years. Before that earlier humans ate about anything that was edible.

And even these modern humans did not follow a strict or standardized paleo diet like today's humans can. Most ate anything they could get their hands on. The paleo diet of today is much more consistent (due to the availability of supermarkets and other locations to buy food.)
Following an presumed and unproven diet that earlier hominids went on and off does not sound to me the best plan. (And yes it is unproven...all we have so far are personal testimonies...which as always should be taken with a grain of salt.)

Also keep in mind that these earlier hominids may have had certain enzymes or digestive bacteria that modern man(today's people) may no longer have. That would certainly be a big factor in the success and long term healthiness of the said diet.

With all that said...I'm not advising against it...just advising to keep a critical mind on the subject.

Good luck with it anyway!

Here's an interesting read from a biologist. Long but has some good points.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/07/23/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

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I'm a bit confused at your argument. The name Paleo seems to be taking you way off course.

Tell me which part you don't agree with.

1. If we analyze a person's diet and take out some foods, we can see what affect this has on their health.

2. If we then add back in certain foods we can again see the affect this has on their health.

3. Some foods have shown to have deleterious affects on most people's health. The main foods include HFCS, gluten and other grains, pasteurized dairy. There is a spectrum on how much one is affected by these.

4. Foods that happen to lead to greater health problems are also those which are evolutionarily novel (tens of thousands vs millions).

5. Choosing nutritionally dense foods and at the same time avoiding nutritionally void or gut-irritating foods seems like a good way to guide choices.

6. The discipline of nutrition and evolutionary biology should be tightly related.

[KimchiNinja]

[Captain Corea]

[neilio]

[Kepler]

I think Matt Stone makes a lot of good points in his book 12 Paleo Myths: Eat Better Than A Caveman. Matt Stone did the paleo diet two years himself and has read hundreds of books on nutrition. He doesn't totally disagree with the paleo diet. He agrees that salt and saturated fat are not causing our health problems and that too much PUFA-6 (polyunsaturated fat omega 6) is unhealthy. He points out that most competitive athletes eat a very non paleo diet. Fat is a rather low octane fuel. Carbohydrates are a superior fuel for exercise performance. As for inflammation, he points out that PUFA-6 increases the inflammatory response of our bodies. So if we're not eating a diet high in PUFA-6 we're much more able to tolerate things like gluten.

I think a lot of people can eat dairy and grains without problems. We've been eating them for thousands of years. So what has changed recently? In the 20th Century there was a huge increase in the amount of fructose and PUFA-6 in the American diet. Vegetable oils were substituted for animal fats in many processed foods. Vegetable oils are very high in PUFA-6. HFCS is 55% fructose and white sugar is 50% fructose. PUFA + fructose seems to be a very harmful combination:

"If you feed lab animals high doses of polyunsaturated fat (either omega-6 or omega-3 will do) along with high doses of either fructose or alcohol, then fatty liver disease develops along with metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is a major risk factor for obesity, and it’s not very difficult to induce obesity on these diets....

"What the animal studies show us is that when fructose and vegetable oils are consumed together, they multiply each other’s obesity-inducing effects."
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/01/why-we-get-fat-food-toxins/

[Kepler]

[Beeyee]